Government keeping a database on journalists and activists.
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The Goverment created a secret database?
Of people involved in border security issues?
After Hoovering up every bit and byte about every American they could for the past 17 years?
Shocking.
Of people involved in border security issues?
After Hoovering up every bit and byte about every American they could for the past 17 years?
Shocking.
But it’s a conspiracy theory to think
1. DNC hires Fusion GPS to find dirt on Trump
2. Steele & fusion jnowvall theybwant is dirt, true or not.
3. Steele gets Russian sourced fake dirt and because of his own TDS, believed it and passed it on without verifying.
4. DNC because of TDS believed it all and passes it to friendly sources in the IC who launches investigation and spying campaign via FISA abuse.
5. Fake Russian Collusion story is born from actual Russian collusion.
6. Morons all over America eat it up because of TDS - never asking themselves what the Russians - who sourced the material and according to Steele’s testimony he didn’t pay for it) want out of this.
1. DNC hires Fusion GPS to find dirt on Trump
2. Steele & fusion jnowvall theybwant is dirt, true or not.
3. Steele gets Russian sourced fake dirt and because of his own TDS, believed it and passed it on without verifying.
4. DNC because of TDS believed it all and passes it to friendly sources in the IC who launches investigation and spying campaign via FISA abuse.
5. Fake Russian Collusion story is born from actual Russian collusion.
6. Morons all over America eat it up because of TDS - never asking themselves what the Russians - who sourced the material and according to Steele’s testimony he didn’t pay for it) want out of this.
I would hope all these individuals are on a secret database. They are at a minimum, information assets that have first-hand knowledge of what we can expect from the caravans.
No ones civil rights are being infringed
No ones civil rights are being infringed
Personal privacy died when the internet came into our lives. Every communication we engage in is monitored.
Just out of curiosity I have to ask if you said that last sentence with a straight face?
The the best the ALCU has come up to bitch about is that people are being targeted for being critical of the government.
You have anything you'd like to add?
The government is “targeting” (your word) people who are being critical of the government. Straight out of the book, *1984.* You have no problem with that?
Let me ask it another way. Is a government that targets people who question it a government “of the people, by the people and for the people?”
Or maybe I could ask it like this: would you be OK if Obama’s government had targeted Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators that questioned it? Rush even publicly declared he hoped Obama’s policies would fail! Would Rush and Sean have had any rights infringed if Obama and his minions had targeted them?
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Mega, do you see any philosophical connection to what you wrote regarding the actions of government agents (presumably in indignation) with the actions of government agents as described in the OP? I’m curious if you are indignant about that as well?
My apologies! I thought I was being honest in my comment. Please remove the parenthetical “your word.” Once it is removed I ask again if you are OK with our government targeting people who criticize it? For example, was it OK for our government to target Donald Trump and individuals within his campaign?
As for me, I find it chilling to learn our government enacts such schemes. I see it as a step in the direction of us becoming citizens in a police state. I assume you disagree?
I already answered this in an earlier post. All of these people can provide first-hand accounts and material information of a very serious situation. Even if you don't agree with or immigration policy, you can't ignore the human rights violations that are taking place along the caravan.
They should be on a list and they should be subject to full interviews every time they come and go.
I don’t know the answer to any of this, maybe you do. Were the journalists and others who were interrogated free to go at any time? Were the ones who were pulled in for secondary interrogations able to say “no thanks” and get up and walk out? Were they advised of their rights? Did they need to be advised of their rights? Why did the government agents have a need to know the name of one of the journalist’s mother? Why did something like that need to be in a file? Why did the government need to know whether a journalist owned her home or rented? Why did the government need to have a file on journalists exercising their First Amendment right? Why was it necessary that the government keep the existence of the files secret, especially if all it wanted was information about what was happening within the caravan? Does any of this sound like what happens in a society of free people?
Are you sure you are basing your objections to the situation in play here? These are interviews taking place when these individuals are crossing the border.
It's no different than the secondary screening list for commercial air travel
It's no different than the secondary screening list for commercial air travel
What I object to is learning the government is keeping secret files on a select group of journalists who are covering a story in their professional capacity, in addition to lawyers and activists who are exercising the rights that free people are supposed to have. I object to the government seeking out personal information of journalists, information that has no bearing on its purported mission, and sharing that information between various agencies and a foreign government, which is against the law according to the article. So what we have is a government creating a surveillance state and violating the law it is supposed to protect, and is supposed to follow, in the name of “protecting” the public from law breakers. I think my objection is reasonable.
Again, you are failing to frame your argument in the context of the actual facts.
The government tracks our leaving and returning to the country. The government can interrogate you and search your belongings when you travel abroad. You can't refuse. The government can even refuse you the ability to leave the country. It's not about freedom, all of this was settled long ago.
So this is only about whether the government can make a list of individuals to interview when they come and go. Can it share that information with other countries? It does with no fly and secondary screening lists as well. We'll see if it's legal if and when someone wins a SCOTUS case. But as of today, it appears to be legal.
The government tracks our leaving and returning to the country. The government can interrogate you and search your belongings when you travel abroad. You can't refuse. The government can even refuse you the ability to leave the country. It's not about freedom, all of this was settled long ago.
So this is only about whether the government can make a list of individuals to interview when they come and go. Can it share that information with other countries? It does with no fly and secondary screening lists as well. We'll see if it's legal if and when someone wins a SCOTUS case. But as of today, it appears to be legal.
I’m always against encroachment by the federal government against individual liberties.
However, There is clearly a crisis at our border and some of these people are involved in that crisis. If you directly involve yourself in a crisis, the government will want to talk to you. Whether I like it or not, it seems easy to avoid.
Thanks. Couldn't remember his name in my post and was too busy to go digging to find it.
