Germany Finds 1,500 Cases of Child Marriages Among Refugees
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Do you have any idea how petulant and stubborn this sounds? Confirmation bias against Christianity is preventing you from simply acknowledging an objectively obvious truth. Which is fine but be honest about your point.
Let's try this...
Here, now, in modern times, there is one religion and one alone with a high enough representative sample of child brides that - with any intellectual honesty at all - could be considered an epidemic issue.
True?
Of course you aren't, because then you'd have to admit that inserting a US chart into a discussion of Islamic child marriages is completely irelevant and completely retarded. I'm not surprised at all, for the record.
Sure, when infant mortality was 50% and life expectancy was 35. In that scenario, you better have child brides or you'll be extinct.
We are beyond that now, don't you think?
You saw the Pew Research graph no? Really want to stick with the ancient history theme?
Sitting where you are, with blinders your wearing I am sure you believe what you wrote above. It's OK Medic...
Disapointingly Partisan. I'll help you see where you're full of shit tomorrow. You know it's going to be bad. You can take a few days break if you'd like. I'll post reality and wait patiently for your next response. I don't actually expect much of a coherent response, just going through the exercise.
A 2013 report claims 53% of all married women in Afghanistan were married before age 18, and 21% of all were married before age 15. Afghanistan's official minimum age of marriage for girls is 15 with her father's permission.[110] In all 34 provinces of Afghanistan, the customary practice of ba'adis another reason for child marriages; this custom involves village elders, jirga, settling disputes between families or unpaid debts or ruling punishment for a crime by forcing the so-called guilty family to give their 5- to 12-year-old girls as a wife. Sometimes a girl is forced into child marriage for a crime her uncle or distant relative is alleged to have committed.[111][112]
Over half of Yemeni girls are married before 18, some by the age eight.[113][114] Yemen government's Sharia Legislative Committee has blocked attempts to raise marriage age to either 15 or 18, on grounds that any law setting minimum age for girls is un-Islamic. Yemeni Muslim activists argue that some girls are ready for marriage at age 9.[115][116]According to HRW, in 1999 the minimum marriage age 15 for women was abolished; the onset of puberty, interpreted by conservatives to be at age nine, was set as a requirement for consummation of marriage.[117] In practice "Yemeni law allows girls of any age to wed, but it forbids sex with them until the indefinite time they're 'suitable for sexual intercourse"[113] As with Africa, the marriage incidence data for Yemen in HRW report is from surveys between 1990 and 2000. Current data is difficult to obtain, given regional violence.
In April 2008 Nujood Ali, a 10-year-old girl, successfully obtained a divorce after being raped under these conditions. Her case prompted calls to raise the legal age for marriage to 18.[118] Later in 2008, the Supreme Council for Motherhood and Childhood proposed to define the minimum age for marriage at 18 years. The law was passed in April 2009, with the age voted for as 17. But the law was dropped the following day following maneuvers by opposing parliamentarians. Negotiations to pass the legislation continue.[119] Meanwhile, Yemenis inspired by Nujood's efforts continue to push for change, with Nujood involved in at least one rally.[120] In September 2013, an 8-year-old girl died of internal bleeding and uterine rupture on her wedding night after marrying a 40-year-old man.[121]
The widespread prevalence of child marriage in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been documented by human rights groups.[122]Saudi clerics have justified the marriage of girls as young as 9, with sanction from the judiciary.[123] There are no laws in place defining a minimum age of consent in Saudi Arabia, though drafts for possible laws have been created since 2011.[124]
Research by the United Nations Population Fund indicates that 28.2% of marriages in Turkey — almost one in three — involve girls under 18.[125][126]
Child marriage was also found to be prevalent among Syrian and Palestinian Syrian refugees in Lebanon, in addition to other forms of sexual and gender-based violence. Marriage was seen as a potential way to protect family honor and protect a girl from rape given how common rape was during the conflict.[127]Incidents of child marriages increased in Syria and among Syrian refugees over the course of the conflict. The proportion of Syrian refugee girls living in Jordan who were married increased from 13% in 2011 to 32% in 2014.[128] Journalists Magnus Wennman and Carina Bergfeldt documented the practice, and some of its results.[129]
Over half of Yemeni girls are married before 18, some by the age eight.[113][114] Yemen government's Sharia Legislative Committee has blocked attempts to raise marriage age to either 15 or 18, on grounds that any law setting minimum age for girls is un-Islamic. Yemeni Muslim activists argue that some girls are ready for marriage at age 9.[115][116]According to HRW, in 1999 the minimum marriage age 15 for women was abolished; the onset of puberty, interpreted by conservatives to be at age nine, was set as a requirement for consummation of marriage.[117] In practice "Yemeni law allows girls of any age to wed, but it forbids sex with them until the indefinite time they're 'suitable for sexual intercourse"[113] As with Africa, the marriage incidence data for Yemen in HRW report is from surveys between 1990 and 2000. Current data is difficult to obtain, given regional violence.
In April 2008 Nujood Ali, a 10-year-old girl, successfully obtained a divorce after being raped under these conditions. Her case prompted calls to raise the legal age for marriage to 18.[118] Later in 2008, the Supreme Council for Motherhood and Childhood proposed to define the minimum age for marriage at 18 years. The law was passed in April 2009, with the age voted for as 17. But the law was dropped the following day following maneuvers by opposing parliamentarians. Negotiations to pass the legislation continue.[119] Meanwhile, Yemenis inspired by Nujood's efforts continue to push for change, with Nujood involved in at least one rally.[120] In September 2013, an 8-year-old girl died of internal bleeding and uterine rupture on her wedding night after marrying a 40-year-old man.[121]
The widespread prevalence of child marriage in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been documented by human rights groups.[122]Saudi clerics have justified the marriage of girls as young as 9, with sanction from the judiciary.[123] There are no laws in place defining a minimum age of consent in Saudi Arabia, though drafts for possible laws have been created since 2011.[124]
Research by the United Nations Population Fund indicates that 28.2% of marriages in Turkey — almost one in three — involve girls under 18.[125][126]
Child marriage was also found to be prevalent among Syrian and Palestinian Syrian refugees in Lebanon, in addition to other forms of sexual and gender-based violence. Marriage was seen as a potential way to protect family honor and protect a girl from rape given how common rape was during the conflict.[127]Incidents of child marriages increased in Syria and among Syrian refugees over the course of the conflict. The proportion of Syrian refugee girls living in Jordan who were married increased from 13% in 2011 to 32% in 2014.[128] Journalists Magnus Wennman and Carina Bergfeldt documented the practice, and some of its results.[129]
Which religion? Just say it.
This is a normal tactic, changing the discussion back to the comfortable confines of "religion." (to avoid singling out a specific religion)
Those based on Mosaic law.
"Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones (taph), and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children (taph), that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves"
Moral equivocation, damn the context nor the relevant, current numbers.
Explain please. In case you missed it - Islam Sucks. Christianity Sucks. Judaism Sucks. Abrahamic traditions suck. Happy now?lol, you're using this stand-by tactic:
Riggghhhhhhttttt... because http://letthemmarry.org/ is not a thing. Warren Jeffs - that was way back in history. Equivocation my ass - please tell me where I have asserted equivalence.
You may dislike my grouping of the various derivatives of Abraham - to which I say too bad..
BTW: ITT I assert not so much that religion sucks (though that certainly was where the convo diverted), but that the practice of child marriage is largely defended on religious grounds. This includes Islam, Judaism, Christianity, et al.
I don't give a shit about your grouping, but It's silly and I'm calling it so.
You seem unable to address the obvious and disturbing difference in frequency of out of date and inappropriate things like child brides, violence toward women etc in base level Islamic cultures (i.e. Probably not people you work with).
Ok, of those three, can you agree its most likely in 2017 to actually occur in Islamic cultures?
I would be curious to see on a percentage basis - fundamentalist Mormonism v. Orthodox Judiasm v. various flavors of Islam. My gut says Islam wins (well loses).
Generally Islam is a century behind in liberalizing as has been seen in the other traditions in the family - an opinion as I don't know how you would ever factually prove such a thing.
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See that wasn't hard.
Now, even though all "Abrahamic" religions have admonishments against homosexuality, which one do you reckon has started putting the gays in internment camps in one country?
Spoiler: It's Islam.
It's more a matter of water muddying and moral equivocation than outright defense.
It's just obvious on the face of it that when compared to other major religions, Islam needs a reformation and without it is not compatible with classic western liberalism.
It's just increasingly odd that this is so obvious and yet condemnation is so rare.
Is that you? You ripped me for generalizing about all conservatives, "hive think" etc. and now this... I'm shocked.
20 COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST RATES OF CHILD MARRIAGE*
- Niger (Majority Muslim) (181/185 in GDP per capita)
- Central African Republic (Majority Christian) (185/185 in GDP per capita)
- Chad (53% Muslim 35% Christian) (155/185 in GDP per capita)
- Mali (Majority Muslim) (159/185 in GDP per capita)
- Bangladesh (Majority Muslim) (139/185 in GDP per capita)
- Burkina Faso (60% Muslim 23% Christian) (170/185 in GDP per capita)
- Guinea (Majority Muslim) (178/185 in GDP per capita)
- South Sudan (60% Christian 33% Anamism) (163/185 in GDP per capita)
- Mozambique (56% Christian 18% Muslim) (179/185 in GDP per capita)
- India (Majority Hindu) (122/185 in GDP per capita)
- Malawi (Majority Christian) (180/185 in GDP per capita)
- Somalia (Muslim) (Must have actual economy to qualify )
- Nigeria ( 53% Muslim 45% Christian) (123/185 in GDP per capita)
- Eritrea (50% Christian 48% Muslim) (177/185 in GDP per capita)
- Ethiopia (62% Christian 34% Muslim) (167/185 in GDP per capita)
- Madagascar (Half Christian Half Anamism) (176/185 in GDP per capita)
- Nicaragua (Majority Christian) (132/185 in GDP per capita)
- Uganda (Majority Christian) (162/185 in GDP per capita)
- Sierra Leone (Majority Muslim) (172/185 in GDP per capita)
- Cameroon (61% Christian 21% Muslim) (149/185 in GDP per capita)
