Finally! Some Russia Hoax News the MSM Can Sink It's Teeth Into
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To be clear....it does bring the credibility of that particular dossier in to question.
No doubt.
It's just, "guess what....other people did something too" isn't a terribly effective defense.
No doubt.
It's just, "guess what....other people did something too" isn't a terribly effective defense.
Its a terrible defense but I keep forgetting the laws area only meant to apply to Trump and the rest of the establishment can and should continue with their hypocrisy and unaccountably.
With the testimony about the Russian money scam, I'd want to see the financials of Trump, Clinton, and all of Congress.
Let's expose all of them at once and find out who is financially involved with who.
Let's expose all of them at once and find out who is financially involved with who.
This seems like a much better option than....
Why is it that Trumpettes are so convinced that the Clintons, Debbie WS, etc are guilty, and need lights shone on them, but want this whole Trump/Russia thing dropped. Why not investigate all of them?
Flynn
Manafort
Page
Donald Jr's statements about Trump Inc. doing business with the Russians
Statements from people here that Trump Inc., )a private closely held corporation belonging to the President) doing business with Russians is no big deal
I'm perfectly in agreement with investigating Russian connections to other officials not in Trump's administration....and I'm not shouting from the rafters that the Trump/Russia investigation should be ended immediately.
Are you?
Wasn't the Page/Manafort connection in the Dossier?
Business dealings before becoming president don't matter to me. Of course, months of hysteria has calloused me and created a lot of apathy.
@Been Jammin I voted for Trump because I had hope with him being a private citizen, ie non Politician, that he could get some things done to benefit the country.
But, with all of the opposition from both sides and the possibility of being involved with Russian money it just doesn't look good. I still don't think there was collusion to win the election. I'm more to believe he doesn't want Russia investigated due to financial entanglements with the oligarchs.
We need someone to run the country that is basically dirt poor prior to reaching office.
Just really frustrating that it seems everyone has a hidden agenda and isn't truly entering politics for the good of our country.
But, with all of the opposition from both sides and the possibility of being involved with Russian money it just doesn't look good. I still don't think there was collusion to win the election. I'm more to believe he doesn't want Russia investigated due to financial entanglements with the oligarchs.
We need someone to run the country that is basically dirt poor prior to reaching office.
Just really frustrating that it seems everyone has a hidden agenda and isn't truly entering politics for the good of our country.
This explains a lot about the investigation and where it's going.
From USA TODAY
Russia probe may reveal closest-held Trump secrets
https://usat.ly/2vcpzWT
A snippet:
It could also pierce the increasing secrecy around who is buying real estate from Trump. A USA TODAY investigation last month revealed that 70% of Trump real estate sales since he won the GOP nomination were to secretive shell companies, compared to 4% in the two years before that. The clear shift to those kinds of purchases, which help obscure the identities of the buyers, raise questions about the source of profits that ultimately flow to the President because he has not fully divested from his companies.
From USA TODAY
Russia probe may reveal closest-held Trump secrets
https://usat.ly/2vcpzWT
A snippet:
It could also pierce the increasing secrecy around who is buying real estate from Trump. A USA TODAY investigation last month revealed that 70% of Trump real estate sales since he won the GOP nomination were to secretive shell companies, compared to 4% in the two years before that. The clear shift to those kinds of purchases, which help obscure the identities of the buyers, raise questions about the source of profits that ultimately flow to the President because he has not fully divested from his companies.
The Page/Manafort/Flynn payments have not been denied (in fact verified) by the individuals, but claimed as proper business dealing for services rendered. There is no question as to the money being received.
The dossier asserted that such payments were part of a coordinated collusion effort. It was also where it was asserted DJT likes golden showers.
The allegations and testimony re: Dossier and Russian payments isn't that Russians paid for the dossier. It's that the people that did it also did other work for Russia. IMO, the analogy is spot on. The payments to Page, Manafort, and Flynn were dismissed as not even "smoke" justifying and investigation.
That snippet is non-issue in my view. Almost every deal I do there is a new buyer entity created, sometimes with a name that may shed some insight into who owns it, but usually it is not the case. No one likes their information to be public like that (unless you're a public company and have to do it). Just type in "acquisition" or "holdings" or "holdco" in the name field here for some insight: https://icis.corp.delaware.gov/Ecorp/EntitySearch/NameSearch.aspx
At the same time, shell corporations holding shell corporations multiple times over are also used to hide the source of illegal transactions all the time.
Yes, there are legitimate uses like you mention. There are, however, illegitimate uses.
Isn't it Page that has been practically begging to testify? I would like to see that happen.
To me, the Dossier is crap right now.
Look at the ownership of residential and commerical real estate and you'll find all sorts of entities used to shield ownership. You'll find land trusts, shell corps, partnerships and other creative entities all used for a variety of reasons. I've bought and sold lots of real estate. Other than my residence, I bought none using my name nor does my name appear on any chain of title besides my home and one lot I sold. I believe Disney used a large number of shell companies to acquire the land needed to develop DisneyWorld.
I wasn't defending the dossier. In fact, I specifically said its credibility is worthy of being questioned in a prior post in this thread.
I agree that such entities are used for a variety of reasons. Not all of them legitimate. Most of them are, but not all of them.
I saw that, my bad. Didn't mean to insinuate you were. I was just being transparent with my current position.
I guess I interpret this data differently. This strikes me as individuals not wanting to be associated and thus rioted against for doing business with Trump. Just look at the businesses that were. The PGA had to move an event because it was at a Trump course where it had been held for several years prior because it was a Trump course and he's a "-ist".
because russian collusion obviously serves a twofold purpose, neither of which is rooted in fact. 1= delegitimize the election and by extension, trump. 2= distract from the content of dnc email, potential criminal activities, election collusion against bern, and various cover ups and probable dirty pool by the entire dc power base . say russia enough times and it sucks the oxygen out of the room and gives the pet media monopolies something to use for their daily shell game.
trump/russia only seems to be a thing because people keep saying it is. the meeting you hung your hopes on looks a lot like either an attempted set/up or most likely case scenario, a failed attempt to influence pro russia legislation. the other things you mentioned smell like they are important but get ignored by that same pet monopoly media. the shultz thing and the dossier thing in particular look pretty bad.
Sure, but roads are used for illegal purposes too. But, just like shell corps, their primary purpose is legitimate and the use of them is not a red flag for illegal/questionable activity.
Let's investigate all of them and out them for what they really are.
Drain the swamp sounds great to me. Unfortunately, the guy who said he was going to do it turned out to be a gator who is just as dirty as the rest of them.
I would get behind this. It's the different rules for different politicians that is the biggest problem. The whole damn place needs a truly independent audit by someone with no DC connections at all.
Ok. But is it too much to ask that a non swamp denizen head the investigations?
Sure. Why not? Got someone in mind?
I'm seriously trying to think of a name to propose and I can come up with a reason to veto every one I think of.
Bill Richardson? William Weld? Jack Kemp (if he weren't dead of course)? Bill Bradley?
The incredible rise in the number of shell transactions with Trump Inc reported is another factor. Working in law enforcement, I know that if you are investigating someone already for possible wrongful connections with someone else you are definitely going look into shell corporation transactions. You're not going to shrug your shoulders and say "oh well....probably legit."
That supposed swamp denizen was appointed by Trump's appointee.
People act like he was foisted upon Trump with no input whatsoever. Subjects of investigations rarely get any input into who investigates, much less hand choosing them like Trump wants to seem to do. The fact is that anyone willing to do a comprehensive investigation is going to be attacked by Trumpies and people that have already conclusively declared that there is nothing to it.
But probably a waste of time. Many banks will only lend to SPEs when buying a real estate asset. Honestly surprised it wasn't close to 100% before and after.
