Finally!!! Kudos to Morning Joe
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Now, when are they going to start calling out the fact that they are commies?
Why they haven't been calling reality what it is from the start is beyond me.
I wonder if syskatine will finally hear about them...
They're only calling them out (Washington Post did also today) because of the catastrophic effect Soros-funded Antifa is having on the Dem brand (and will have in the 2018 elections).
Plus, James O'Keefe Tweeted today that he has undercover people inside Antifa --- and he's has undercover people inside the corporate media for months.
Plus, James O'Keefe Tweeted today that he has undercover people inside Antifa --- and he's has undercover people inside the corporate media for months.
I eagerly await these blockbuster disclosures...like I did pizzagate, Kim dotcom, obama's birh certificate.
Gonna be good.
Gonna be good.
Because it served a purpose to the point of diminishing returns.
They have been. I haven't watched them in a couple of months. Joe was such a bitch one day it kind of turned me off. I respect his opinion but he can be such a prima donna.
So you've heard of Antifa now, or no?
Yeah, I get about as much excitement from an O'Keefe announcement as I do a hemorrhoid. Gonna suck for a bit because NZ will be bleeding all over our toilet paper.
Oh sweet jesus you can't read these boards and NOT hear about antifa. They're everywhere, dismantling the country as we speak!
F*ck of a lot more of them than fascists.
Joe must have gotten one of Mika's tampon strings stuck in his teeth and the aromatic fragrance bitch-slapped him into reality.
Got any verified numbers?
I'm not so sure about that. Particularly if the fascists include hard core white supremacist groups.
No, just places like Berkley and Charlottesville. The Starbucks in Berkley is terrified. So you've heard of them finally, since Morning Joe discussed them in the talking points? Your thoughts (not expecting anything other than the usual lefty talking points)?
To be fair, Okeefe has produced some good videos. Nothing burger from the CNN elf, crossing the southern border, the planned parenthood stuff.
Are we talking actual fascists, Communism's little sister, or those the media has declared fascist because ......"ism"?
If it's the latter it's not even close considering clasical liberals, all Republicans, and many a moderate Democrat are "fascists." If it's the former I tend to think Antifa outnumbers them but that's just perception based on the sheer numbers showing up to protest.
I know that if you associate yourself with conservatism or libertarian or even have a R by your name although a lot of them are really globalist liberals, you are considered a fascist.
But if you consider a real fascist a neo-Nazi or white supremacist then the number is very small. It's made out to be much larger by the left and their hate group Southern Poverty Law Center because they need a boogeyman to taint conservatives and libertarians with.
Antifa is a well funded group of thugs and most of whom are anarchists and professionally paid rioters. If the real story were actually in the main stream it would be a huge scandal but it will be buried by everyone who isn't right leaning.
But if you consider a real fascist a neo-Nazi or white supremacist then the number is very small. It's made out to be much larger by the left and their hate group Southern Poverty Law Center because they need a boogeyman to taint conservatives and libertarians with.
Antifa is a well funded group of thugs and most of whom are anarchists and professionally paid rioters. If the real story were actually in the main stream it would be a huge scandal but it will be buried by everyone who isn't right leaning.
Any actual verified numbers?
Fascists, neo-Nazis or White Supremacists?
Because what I know about intelligence gathering in Oklahoma by law enforcement and the intelligence I am reading leads me to believe that white Supremacists and neo-Nazis are a bigger public safety issue here in Oklahoma than anti-fa and are definitely NOT = "snipe".
I'm talking any verified numbers by whatever definition you want to have....as long as you clearly detail your definition.
I see Antifa all over the country, whenever there is a violent protest they are there.
All I see in Oklahoma is some country boys driving around with American flags flying from their pickup trucks. Are those all the Nazi's and white supremacists law enforcement is so concerned about? Where the hell are these violent right wing extremists?
You get a couple of hundred, tops a thousand of these people to some national rally and we're to believe these people are a larger menace than all the left wing thugs with masks we see at every protest? Some even claim they are more dangerous than Islamic extremists. Which is nuts when you consider how many of them are running around the world.
We've heard about how dangerous white supremacists are for years, they've caused a little trouble but for a group so dangerous they sure are quiet.
All I see in Oklahoma is some country boys driving around with American flags flying from their pickup trucks. Are those all the Nazi's and white supremacists law enforcement is so concerned about? Where the hell are these violent right wing extremists?
You get a couple of hundred, tops a thousand of these people to some national rally and we're to believe these people are a larger menace than all the left wing thugs with masks we see at every protest? Some even claim they are more dangerous than Islamic extremists. Which is nuts when you consider how many of them are running around the world.
We've heard about how dangerous white supremacists are for years, they've caused a little trouble but for a group so dangerous they sure are quiet.
Also, the NYC election commissioner saying the Democrats bus people around to vote illegally (and have been for decades).
As well as the DNC attempts to bully women outside Trump rallies:
It's hard to pin down but according to Vanguard America there are between 5,000 and 8,000 KKK members nationally.
On Facebook alone Antifa USA boasts around 9,500 followers.
Best I can do I. A very short window
I understand the short window, but do you really think likes on a page is comparable fairly comparable to a size reporting of KKK members by an organization with an inherent self interest in downplaying the threat of white supremacists? Or that the only white supremacists groups that "count" is the KKK?
I'm not coming at you just to be coming at you or the quibble and argue marginal numbers. I'm trying to figure out whether these claims by you and others are based on anything other than primarily personal impressions and/or biases.
Also, for the record...I denounce and am concerned about the use of violence by anti-fa groups and it needs to be addressed. I wish Democratic leadership would do the same thing. It can be effectively addressed without discounting the violence of neo-Nazis and white supremacists though.
There isn't real good data to fairly evaluate the actual threat faced by either group.
https://lawfareblog.com/search-data-white-supremacist-violent-crime
That is why I am concerned with discounting the threat of one by reference to the other, and I see both "sides" doing exactly that.
https://lawfareblog.com/search-data-white-supremacist-violent-crime
That is why I am concerned with discounting the threat of one by reference to the other, and I see both "sides" doing exactly that.
That's not surprising at all, but it also doesn't mean those nazis are much of a problem. I'm sure if antifa rolled out in Stillwater like they did in Berkeley a lot would be shot.
I agree, yet the MSM crucified the president when he called out "both sides", which any normal human understands but clearly doesn't compute with the left.
As I said, both "sides" discount the threat of "their" violent extremists and focus on the other's.
No, followers (not likes) on FB was all I could find so I shared and I was up front with that because of the source. That could include those who oppose them. I doubt you'll really every find any kind of verified number. They show up to protests in masks for crying out loud.
Personally, I believe that Antifa is much larger just seeing the size of the protests nationally and various events. Anecdotal I know but that's my perception.
You're continuing to discount the threat of white supremacists. I know, without a doubt, that white supremacist violence and criminal enterprise in support of their message is a significant "problem"...and not only on Oklahoma.
Saying that in no way discounts the violence by anti-fa which must also be addressed and dealt with.
Nope. Purely anecdotal observation on my part. I would assume you have actual numbers at your disposal. I've never met a fascist in 47 years. But I know at least two guys who would not surprise me to see getting shot in the nuts with pepper balls at a commie protest. The Antifa seem convinced everyone is a fascist and that they represent a threat.
It reminds me of the mass hysteria over martians.
My concern is that nazis are about as relevant as they've beeen since the Blues Borithers ran them off a bridge, and that the Antifa' LARP trust fund revolutionary fantasies are being exploited to further militarize police and train people to ask for a police state.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Spencer and his ilk are aware that's the goal.
visually - the size of white nationalist rallies vs the size of Antifa mobs is what I'm mostly basing my observation on. If I'm wrong, I would be open to another explanation.
Important question though - how do you qualify a fascist?
I would note a difference between the extreme left and right groups at least in my own perception. Groups like the KKK have been around for a long while, and while they do participate in criminal activity (can you say Meth dealer), they don't generally participate in group-based violence. You have your lone wolf individuals such as the idiot in Charlotte or Dylan Roof, but when was the last time you saw them simply congregate and start violence? Heck even the protest in Charlotte, they submitted for and received a permit to do their protest. The flip side is Antifa (and BLM before them) who don't seem to have individual bad actors. In fact, they've tried hard to distance themselves from the one-off acts, such as the Dallas Police Sniper, yet are proud to own and condone mob violence (rioting in Ferguson & Baltimore by BLM and the multiple occassions of masked mob violence in Berkeley and elsewhere by Antifa).
I would have respect for Antifa if they left the relative safety of the police and public eye and actually assaulted a white supremacist compound. Now that would be revolutionary.
Pretending everyone is a nazi and Trump is a fascist if anything waters down sensitivity to any actual criminal or terrorist threats posed by actual white nationalist violent types.
Pretending everyone is a nazi and Trump is a fascist if anything waters down sensitivity to any actual criminal or terrorist threats posed by actual white nationalist violent types.
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