Feminism: before and after
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DHS remains the decision maker in the process. We worked thru one of the new private agencies and they were major advocates for our cause.
My experience with OKDHS was so horrible I'll never do foster care again. Not to mention a precious child being toyed with and my family and extended family's heart being broken in the process.
OKDHS (or at least the Tulsa County offices) do not have the best interests of children in mind.
I've heard that line before. There are a lot of people more than willing to give a home to children. There are many, because of their experience with OKDHS, that will never do it again.
Going to be hard for them to change course given they recently put Perez and Ellison in charge of their party.
So it's not about women. Just women who think the right way. Got it.
Yes. Asking a question about voting data isn't declaring a moral victory. It's asking a question about voting data. If there's a big swing and the kid is a novice carpet bagger and the conservative is a GOP career pol, in hwr own back yard, and it's a red seat, aren't you a little curious about the swing?
I've heard what youre saying too. I've felt it at times, too. I'm telling you -- in rural Oklahoma there literally are not enough places to put these kids. I have some stories that would curl your hair.
I just cant see how blame a mismanaged state agency that's funded and managed by republicans on liberals.
What did they do in your case, re-unite a foster kid w bad parents?
No, it's about evaluating her politics on the basis of her politics and not on the presence of a penis. Sorry to take you outside of yout narrrative again. Feminists understand what I'm talking about.
Maybe you need to consult Stinkx and see how to argue this one.
Yeah I'm not the one coming off as confused ITT. You describe classic first wave feminism - which most everyone agrees with and then claim I've divided it and then you minimize this woman's accomplishment because "it's about evaluating her politics."
Do you see the hole in your logic? It's pretty clear.
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Initially.
We knew there was a chance we could move out of state. We were promised by everyone involved that even if we moved to Timbuktu, they would move her back into our home if things went sideways with mom.
We moved. Mom failed. When we tried to regain custody, they fought us, giving no reason. We were hoping to adopt.
We sought legal counsel, and were advised that at that point (she had been gone from our home 8 months) we would do damage to the child relocating her with us.
I've since learned they moved her again (which I understand is not unusual in the government child pimping business). The current family is seeking adoption.
We had the child almost 2 years and OKDHS pulled this crap. We have/had a large home and our little girl came to love us as mom and dad. I would still give my life for her.
I'm thinking that the reason they fought us in the end is because the child was a different race. My question then would be, why did they place her with us in the first place.
Regarding the the state's GOP leadership, that has little to do with the operation and leanings of the workers. Most social workers are by nature, liberal.
No, your "waves" of feminism is where I break down. I don't even know someone that's heard of "third wave" feminism, much less claims it. I'm coming from a real world definition and you're coming from some blogger or activist or documentary's narrative. Don't take a word like "feminism" and re-define it to mean some fringe, bullshit to further a political agenda.
If a black guy said he's against racism, you're the guy that would say he's wrong because we shouldn't confiscate corporate property for reparations. He'd look at you like, "Huh?" and you'd explain how he really wants that. That's the functional equivalent of what you're doing.
The feminism I'm familiar with in practice -- not on NZ's Russia sponsored twitter feed or Boortz trying to foment outrage for ratings -- is women that don't ask for special treatment, but don't take men's shit because they're female, either. They would be the first to say, "A politician should be evaluated for their politics, not their sex." I'm sure Boortz or Breitbart or NZ has some professor of contemporary gender studies at Dartmouth with hairy armpits they can find and amplify to prove their point, but nobody around here buys it. Neither would you if you weren't so duped by messaging. I see why the Russians targeted conservative voters -- they're gullible.
I don't know one person that uses your definition outside the conservative helmet. You seem like a good dude, but I'm telling you -- you're biting off on some narratives that are there to drive ratings and outrage. You did it with Iraq, lock stock and barrel. I'll never understand why you keep making the same mistakes and listening to the same discredited perspective.
She could be worse. The turquoise sort of.... softens the pit hair.
Find us one of Stinkfinger's pit hair. Shouldn't be hard.
That really sucks. I thought there was a reg that says (I'm paraphrasing the effect of the reg) prior fosters with close relationship are in the same class as "relatives" for placement. You should've been able to enforce that. My advice is lawyer up and take it to the judge --- judges won't put up with pinballing kids around if someone is there with a realistic alternative. If you don't have the funds or connections to a good lawyer then the foster is in a tremendously vulnerable position. I think there are also some really shitty fosters that are in it for the stipend.
I don't do DHS cases, but I know of a case where a mom killed her toddler by accidentally smothering it. Nothing was done, DHS said no legal basis to get involved. Know why? Because the social worker is a fool that can't get a job elsewhere and no competent professional was over the case. A social worker's family just told me about an 8 year old that finally told their teacher daddy's been sticking him in the butt for years. He shits all over the place and wipes it on the walls. Can't find a therapeutic foster home. You'd think there's some facility some where with rock star social workers to help mitigate the damage. Nope. The kid can get a court appointed lawyer that has a dozen other cases and gets paid by volume and doesn't want to rock the boat too much, so there's that. The social worker can't take him home to her kids. Now what?
I know you're tired of hearing it, but... leadership is everything. Those social workers work for someone. The Oklahoma conservatives don't give one shit about kids. It shows in our education and child welfare. All you have to do is open your eyes. I have experience with this from multiple angles and it's the one issue that makes me want to punch these sorry greedy motherf*#&$ers that are afraid to fund real child welfare. The traditional right vs. left dynamic breaks down in a hurry with child welfare, but at the end of the day it aint liberals that are in charge of that system.
Sounds to me like you are describing the typical effectiveness/workings of any government run bureaucracy. Regardless of which political party is running the operation.
I disagree with that narrative. Water departments, fire departments, police departments, road crews, social security administration, libraries, FAA, sanitation departments... all of them and many more discharge their obligations in a reasonable manner. I hear veterans that like their VA and don't want it modified. Medicare recipients like their medicare. These bureaucracies work because people demand they work. The conservative electorate in Oklahoma simply doesn't demand that child welfare work.
With all respect, that ubiquitous, conservative narrative is true to some extent with any mass effort of human beings (anything administered by the humans will be flawed) but it doesn't excuse the level of incompetence.
My experience with the private agency was much better than OKDHS. If they had any real say in the matter, we would have the little girl today.
It's been too long now and would do real harm to uproot her from her current home, which I understand is a really good situation. All I want is what's best for her, and as of today, this is it.
It's been too long now and would do real harm to uproot her from her current home, which I understand is a really good situation. All I want is what's best for her, and as of today, this is it.
So sorry you went thru all that, I have had some experience with OKDHS and it was horrible, not sure how Oklahomans tolerate this.
The most terrifying words that any American citizen will ever hear: "Hello. I am from the government and I am here to help."
The next self-proclaimed "feminist" I meet who isn't a total BITCH will be the first.
I can point you to some foster kids that were saved by someone from the government knocking on their door.
You truly are the biggest dumbass on this board. Just a bitter, stupid, gullible DUMBASS.
I can too. I just have a bad taste in my mouth.
Yup, that's the ticket, I'm a "dumbass" because I don't see things the way you do.
Hey moderators, aren't personal insults against board decorum?
So women that don't see things the way you do are a bitch and that's not a personal insult? I don't know if that obvious double standard comes from entitlement or lack of self awareness but women should radicalize if you're a representative sample of what they're up against. Employing reason and good intentions against people like you is pissing in the wind.
This board?
If it was, there wouldn't be anyone posting here.
and just to prove the point, I'll call JD an asshole.
If he is like me though, he will take that as a compliment
and just to prove the point, I'll call JD an asshole.
If he is like me though, he will take that as a compliment
Not only am I an asshole...I'm an ARROGANT asshole.
The following thread proves it beyond any reasonable doubt.
https://oklahomastate.forums.rivals...america-has-found-its-voice-with-trump.62378/
https://oklahomastate.forums.rivals...america-has-found-its-voice-with-trump.62378/
These people are disgusting.
The solution to white supremacy is white abortion
From the article:
"White women: it is time to do your part! Your white children reinforce the white supremacist society that benefits you. If you claim to be progressive, and yet willingly birth white children by your own choice, you are a hypocrite. White women should be encouraged to abort their white children, and to use their freed-up time and resources to assist women of color who have no other choice but to raise their children."
About Medusa:
“What is Medusa Magazine?”
Medusa Magazine is a Feminist blog that is dedicated to promoting diversity and multicultural values.
“Is Medusa Magazine a Radical Feminist blog?”
We do not consider ourselves as “Radical Feminists”, however, we do not reject the title. First and foremost because we do not consider it to be inflammatory. We do not think publishing articles online is in any way equivalent to, say, radical right wingers, who are responsible for several hate crimes and terrorist attacks. Radical Feminism gave women the right to vote. Radical anti-Feminism gave us the Ku Klux Klan. They are not the same thing.
The solution to white supremacy is white abortion
From the article:
"White women: it is time to do your part! Your white children reinforce the white supremacist society that benefits you. If you claim to be progressive, and yet willingly birth white children by your own choice, you are a hypocrite. White women should be encouraged to abort their white children, and to use their freed-up time and resources to assist women of color who have no other choice but to raise their children."
About Medusa:
“What is Medusa Magazine?”
Medusa Magazine is a Feminist blog that is dedicated to promoting diversity and multicultural values.
“Is Medusa Magazine a Radical Feminist blog?”
We do not consider ourselves as “Radical Feminists”, however, we do not reject the title. First and foremost because we do not consider it to be inflammatory. We do not think publishing articles online is in any way equivalent to, say, radical right wingers, who are responsible for several hate crimes and terrorist attacks. Radical Feminism gave women the right to vote. Radical anti-Feminism gave us the Ku Klux Klan. They are not the same thing.
Dude, I have looked all over that site for something that says it is satire. No luck. Of course, I am on my phone so that could be keeping me from finding it.
Looks like a successful publicity stunt. It'll appeal to their niche market.
Sooo...they do or don't believe what they are saying?
