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Eliminating Hamas Is Not The Goal

The Israelis are the worst genociders ever.

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From your link: https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/about/

In my analysis I’ve been focusing a lot on the US government and the empire-like international cluster of allies, partners and assets structured around it, not because it’s the only evil in our world but because at this point in history it is the driving force behind the lion’s share of humanity’s troubles. The US-centralized empire is ramping up aggressions against Russia and China simultaneously and working to destroy any nation which resists its goals of global conquest, all while using its military and economic might and the most powerful propaganda machine ever devised to coerce humanity into moving in ways that don’t serve ordinary people.

Because the US propaganda machine is so immensely powerful, my forceful criticisms of the empire are often met with shock and suspicion by the many people who’ve been indoctrinated by it.

From your article:
You’re more likely to support Israel if you’re a shitty person, and if you weren’t a shitty person to begin with you’ll eventually have to turn into one to continue supporting Israel’s actions.



Yeah, she's an unbiased opinion source. Her opinion is worthless. Do better.
 
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Some other asinine articles written by the author. My favorite is

Putin Was Declared A War Criminal For *Relocating* The Same Number Of Children Israel Just *Killed*​

PD, you're not saddled up in the right direction here sir. I don't agree with your Ukraine vs Russia view either, but can appreciate your stance & logic. Trying to make Israel out as the bad guy here is just silly though.
 
From your link: https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/about/

In my analysis I’ve been focusing a lot on the US government and the empire-like international cluster of allies, partners and assets structured around it, not because it’s the only evil in our world but because at this point in history it is the driving force behind the lion’s share of humanity’s troubles. The US-centralized empire is ramping up aggressions against Russia and China simultaneously and working to destroy any nation which resists its goals of global conquest, all while using its military and economic might and the most powerful propaganda machine ever devised to coerce humanity into moving in ways that don’t serve ordinary people.

Because the US propaganda machine is so immensely powerful, my forceful criticisms of the empire are often met with shock and suspicion by the many people who’ve been indoctrinated by it.

From your article:
You’re more likely to support Israel if you’re a shitty person, and if you weren’t a shitty person to begin with you’ll eventually have to turn into one to continue supporting Israel’s actions.



Yeah, she's an unbiased opinion source. Her opinion is worthless. Do better.
I thought of you when she wrote that.
 

Some other asinine articles written by the author. My favorite is

Putin Was Declared A War Criminal For *Relocating* The Same Number Of Children Israel Just *Killed*​

PD, you're not saddled up in the right direction here sir. I don't agree with your Ukraine vs Russia view either, but can appreciate your stance & logic. Trying to make Israel out as the bad guy here is just silly though.
How many times must I say I’m not making out that Israel is THE bad guy, I’m saying they’re BOTH bad guys, and it continually astonishes me that no one can see what Israel is doing is just as bad as what Hamas does. It’s like someone has picked a team and decided to be loyal no matter what. People keep accusing me of not understanding what terrorism is, when I understand exactly what it is and recognize that both sides practice it.
 
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You’re a hoot. You criticize me sometimes for not providing links, and then you won’t read or watch links I do provide.
No Dan, asking for links to back up claims you make is not criticizing you for not posting links. It's fact checking you.

I don't read these types of links because I value nothing the anonymous to me blog blowhard writer has to say.
 
Hamas wants to kill all Israelis. Therefore it is appropriate for Israel to kill all Palestinians, not just Hamas. Is that your point?
No Dan, that isn't my point. Hamas isn't the humanitarian organization just looking out for the poor Palestinians like you want to believe. It doesn't matter how much peace Israel or anyone wants. Getting rid of Hamas and then being vigilant to prevent its return is the only way to peace. History provides us with a bunch of examples of this approach being used successfully.
 
No Dan, asking for links to back up claims you make is not criticizing you for not posting links. It's fact checking you.

I don't read these types of links because I value nothing the anonymous to me blog blowhard writer has to say.
Nice little trick you’ve got going there. A neat little win-win for your protection. The anonymous blowhard in this case makes assertions and provides links to explain why she makes them, exactly what you say you’re looking for.
 
No Dan, that isn't my point. Hamas isn't the humanitarian organization just looking out for the poor Palestinians like you want to believe. It doesn't matter how much peace Israel or anyone wants. Getting rid of Hamas and then being vigilant to prevent its return is the only way to peace. History provides us with a bunch of examples of this approach being used successfully.
Can you just once stop with your intentional false stereotyping of what I “want to believe” about Hamas? Can you just once have an honest conversation about the conflict without accusing the me of having an attitude you know I don’t have?
 
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Can you just once stop with your intentional false stereotyping of what I “want to believe” about Hamas? Can you just once have an honest conversation about the conflict without accusing the me of having an attitude you know I don’t have?
Do you or do you not believe the Palestinians are innocent people who are just victims of Hamas using them?
 
Do you or do you not believe the Palestinians are innocent people who are just victims of Hamas using them?
Here’s what I believe. I believe most Palestinians do not want to exercise genocide against the Jews of Israel. I think they support Hamas to the extent that to them Hamas is the only group actively resisting the apartheid state Israel has created. I believe if they had access to the revenues to the oil deposits that Israel is keeping them from developing they would no longer need to be the welfare/dependent state that Israel has intentionally made them. The relationship between Israelis and the Palestinians is not one of equals. Israel is the giant gorilla in the room to a smudge on the pavement. Israel has all the power and all the leverage, and only Israel can alter the situation. Otherwise it’s likely that the Palestinians will resist/fight to the last man standing, which by all appearance is what Israel wants.
 
Here’s what I believe. I believe most Palestinians do not want to exercise genocide against the Jews of Israel. I think they support Hamas to the extent that to them Hamas is the only group actively resisting the apartheid state Israel has created. I believe if they had access to the revenues to the oil deposits that Israel is keeping them from developing they would no longer need to be the welfare/dependent state that Israel has intentionally made them. The relationship between Israelis and the Palestinians is not one of equals. Israel is the giant gorilla in the room to a smudge on the pavement. Israel has all the power and all the leverage, and only Israel can alter the situation. Otherwise it’s likely that the Palestinians will resist/fight to the last man standing, which by all appearance is what Israel wants.
You are entitled to your beliefs even if they are wrong.

Why do you think Israel created the supposed apartheid state?
 
You are entitled to your beliefs even if they are wrong.

Why do you think Israel created the supposed apartheid state?
For the same reason as South Africa. They want a racist supremacist state in which only Jews have a say in what happens. The problem is there are a few million Palestinians that are an obstacle to that goal.
 
If the Palestinians want to live in peace with Israel they sure have a funny way of showing it.
You can’t take the Palestinian out of Hamas, all Hamas are Palestinians. But you can take the Hamas out of the Palestinians, very few Palestinians are Hamas. That’s the sticking point between your view and mine and I suppose it always will be.
 
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