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Cowboy RTC and the next quad

Alyson Schwab laughed at the rumors and basically inferred it was nonsense. We will see.
The only comment of hers that I've seen was when someone asked "has anyone heard [the rumor that Keck is moving to Stillwater]?" and she jokingly responded "no 🤣" and Lance Runyon replied to her with "me either." So to me, she didn't comment one way or another about the validity of the rumors.
 
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Below is a Google-translated passage from an article about Rin's U20 JOC win. He also was given the Best Athlete Award (the tournament's OW, which includes both freestyle and greco).

The 2025 JOC Junior Olympic Cup U20 All Japan Championships (men only) was held on April 26th at the Yokohama Budokan in Kanagawa Prefecture, where Sakamoto Rin (CWC) , winner of last year's Emperor's Cup All Japan Championships , won the men's freestyle 57kg class, his second victory after winning the 61kg class in 2023. He was also awarded the JOC Cup, which is given to the best athlete in both styles.

Corn rows???

Who are yall letting Sakamoto hang with? 🤣🤣🤣
 
Final X

57: HWC, NLWC
61: Cowboy RTC, Cornell
65: Cowboy RTC
70: Cornell
74: NLWC
79: Cal Poly
86: Cowboy RTC
92: NC State
97: NLWC
125: Cowboy RTC

I think World Team Trials are going to be crazy. You guys could still put Hamiti and Lockett into Final X.

Obviously NLWC is deeper and could still put guys in at:

65: Bartlett, Lee
70: Van Ness, Kasak
79: Haines
86: Dake, Starocci
92: Barr
 
Commitment was the bigger problem here and I DON'T understand John’s hesitance.
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It was pure laziness on John's part. And he isn't lazy - so it just became willful negligence at that point.

Hell, his last group of titles came when Gator Wrestling Club was funding the guys in Stillwater. He just didn't believe in guys getting paid to wrestle on the Senior circuit.
 
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It was pure laziness on John's part. And he isn't lazy - so it just became willful negligence at that point.

Hell, his last group of titles came when Gator Wrestling Club was funding the guys in Stillwater. He just didn't believe in guys getting paid to wrestle on the Senior circuit.
There are a lot of reason (good and bad) John didn't embrace the RTC model. Not sure laziness is in the top 50.
 
Name them sir. Please. Name me 50 other reasons. I'll wait.
The #1 is what PSU (IA, MN etc too) was doing was against NCAA rules (read why OSU was put on probabation, the rules hadn't changed). Many thought the NCAA would at some point enforce the rules. We are now well past that possibility.
 
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Name them sir. Please. Name me 50 other reasons. I'll wait.
It was nothing more than John was not going to enter the purview of the NCAA. What was happening at State College (and others) was literally in a grey area that was so dark, at the correct angle could've been viewed as black. So, John wasn't going to take a gamble that could hurt OSU Wrestling.

Also, he hates NIL and the portal...not that it had a bearing on the RTC functions. It was NIL before NIL was legal.
 
Also, he hates NIL and the portal...not that it had a bearing on the RTC functions. It was NIL before NIL was legal.

This part. That's just laziness and willful negligence if your job is to win titles (which it was).

Saban "hated" that ish as well. But he wasn't going to get caught with his pants down and start losing when it was clear the rules had changed.

John had MANY years where he could have gotten behind an RTC. Those initial fears were 1 or 2 years. And even then, no rules were broken. There were just rumors that college guys were being paid by the RTC after graduating. So yeah, after he realized the NCAA wasn't going to hand down some death penalty, he should have done his job as the Head Coach of Oklahoma State.

He just didn't want to.
 
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Name them sir. Please. Name me 50 other reasons. I'll wait.
I mean you said yourself John is not lazy. John is a lot of things lazy is not one of them.

As others have pointed out RTCs were a pretty big grey area. Frankly, if the NCAA cared about college wrestling a lot of programs would have gotten into a lot of trouble for the RTC set up.

You can hand wave the concerns but our university has a long history of getting curb stopped by the NCAA for very minor infractions.

Was John right? No. Did it absolutely set our program back decades? Yes. Was he lazy? Come on.
 
I mean you said yourself John is not lazy. John is a lot of things lazy is not one of them.

As others have pointed out RTCs were a pretty big grey area. Frankly, if the NCAA cared about college wrestling a lot of programs would have gotten into a lot of trouble for the RTC set up.

You can hand wave the concerns but our university has a long history of getting curb stopped by the NCAA for very minor infractions.

Was John right? No. Did it absolutely set our program back decades? Yes. Was he lazy? Come on.

Again, not calling John "lazy." But to not put in the effort to create an RTC when the money was clearly there?

He didn't want to. AND he didn't put in the effort to figure it out (since rules was a big concern of his). That's all I'm saying.

Definitely not trying to run down one of the most amazing persons I've ever met in my life. The job became something he didn't really want to do at the level needed (which he admitted and why he recognized DT was the man for the job).
 
This part. That's just laziness and willful negligence if your job is to win titles (which it was).

Saban "hated" that ish as well. But he wasn't going to get caught with his pants down and start losing when it was clear the rules had changed.

John had MANY years where he could have gotten behind an RTC. Those initial fears were 1 or 2 years. And even then, no rules were broken. There were just rumors that college guys were being paid by the RTC after graduating. So yeah, after he realized the NCAA wasn't going to hand down some death penalty, he should have done his job as the Head Coach of Oklahoma State.

He just didn't want to.
He was woefully behind when it was crystal clear that it HAD to be done. Like Saban, he retired when he could leave the Program on firm footing.

Unlike Saban, there wasn't 30 other schools participating in the grey and/or ponying up the money when it wasn't grey. It was 3-4 and a new era in NCAA Wrestling. It is actually the only thing i've known John to do that didn't help Wrestling. If PSU, Iowa, OSU, tOSU, Michigan and maybe Iowa State received some sanction that set them aside for a few years, Wrestling would be better off today in terms of parity. *Just a thought, not an argument.
 
Again, not calling John "lazy." But to not put in the effort to create an RTC when the money was clearly there?

He didn't want to. AND he didn't put in the effort to figure it out (since rules was a big concern of his). That's all I'm saying.

Definitely not trying to run down one of the most amazing persons I've ever met in my life. The job became something he didn't really want to do at the level needed (which he admitted and why he recognized DT was the man for the job).
Not accurate. He was afraid to do it in the beginning, then, he didn't know how to do it correctly. Once that was apparent, he retired. I agree, he didn't want to play that game...but he wanted to win, OSU to win!

It is similar to doing something learned as wrong your whole life, but now it is okay...it is still difficult to do.
 
Again, not calling John "lazy." But to not put in the effort to create an RTC when the money was clearly there?

He didn't want to. AND he didn't put in the effort to figure it out (since rules was a big concern of his). That's all I'm saying.

Definitely not trying to run down one of the most amazing persons I've ever met in my life. The job became something he didn't really want to do at the level needed (which he admitted and why he recognized DT was the man for the job).
I don't disagree with most of anything here. I will say it is hard for people outside of OSU to understand how scared to death of the NCAA our athletic department can be. Anytime we've had issues with the NCAA they've used a nuke as a punishment.
 
I don't disagree with most of anything here. I will say it is hard for people outside of OSU to understand how scared to death of the NCAA our athletic department can be. Anytime we've had issues with the NCAA they've used a nuke as a punishment.
Also, John was probably, and understandably, more sensitive to possible ncaa punishment than most because of the circumstances that caused him to start coaching when he did.
 
Question....does not showing up for practice, showing up late for practice, showing up in jeans and boots for practice, constitute lazy?
No, it shows the exact opposite. It is lazy to micro-manage, it is super difficult to build a staff that allows absence as frequently needed.
 
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I don't disagree with most of anything here. I will say it is hard for people outside of OSU to understand how scared to death of the NCAA our athletic department can be. Anytime we've had issues with the NCAA they've used a nuke as a punishment.
Seriously. Just a few years ago they put our basketball program on probation because a former assistant coach did some sketchy things that actually HURT OSU basketball 3 years prior. And other programs got similar charges from the NCAA that season but they did not get probation. Nonsense.
 
Question....does not showing up for practice, showing up late for practice, showing up in jeans and boots for practice, constitute lazy?

In no way was John "lazy" with the day to day. And certainly not practice. He was still running practices until Coleman came (which is the first time ever the guys got 2 days off a week. LOL)
 
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