I agree with you that hatred of Japan because of Pearl Harbor lasted for a long time. I had an aunt, now deceased, who depised Japan with her entire being and never let Pearl Harbor go. I even told her several times that "we" got our revenge in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but she wouldn't budge. That being said I remember very well the constant harping of "cheap plastic junk" coming from Japan which was startlingly similar language to what is said about Chinese products today.
Conservatism is dwindling
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No, I have many disagreements with Bobby, Jr., he is not "my perfect President" by a long shot. I would stipulate that a perfect president is not possible. I respect @aix_xpert's opinion, I just have more stringent requirements before a president is "conservative enough" for me. But even when someone is conservative enough or libertarian enough it is still incumbant on us to constantly be on his or her case when they fall short of expectations. If there isn't a constant drumbeat of criticism he or she will get the notion they can let things slide for his or her own benefit because people are satisfied that they are "conservative enough." IMO Trump is a perfect example of a president having that attitude. He thinks he could shoot someone on the streets of New York and his followers would look the other way. And the sad fact is many of his followers would do exactly that. There are posters on this board I think fall into that category. That's how things get screwed up. I think voters should be more like my wife in our relationship: never satisfied!
You think maybe that is all part of the plan? Keep people so divided the politicians know they will not be held accountable.
What Democrats did to Trump during his presidency was not about the good of the country, law, order, national security or even right or wrong, it was 100% politics. The proof of that is Democrat reactions to the allegation that have been made about the Biden's, they could give a shit. Go back further to the hilariously ridiculous controversy over Obama's birth certificate. There was never a doubt Obama was a natural born citizen (his mother, even though she was an American hating Commie POS she was a US Citizen) but Republicans, Democrats, Obama, Trump and the MSM made political hay out of it. The American people were stupid enough to be manipulated by all parties involved. Obama could have immediately ended the controversy by simply producing his birth certificate while at the same pointing out his mother's citizenship, instead he allowed the division to build knowing it would help his politics. Same with Republicans and Trump. These are just two of many examples of how both parties spread the division for their own political gain.
You’re right it comes from both parties. I have long maintained that neither party will clean up their act until their own followers rise up and rebel against their own leaders. As long as the criticism comes only from the opposition the party leaders know they can get away with their politics of divisiveness. But it will take a wholesale rebellion. One rebel here and there will not be viewed as a rebel but he’ll be called a traitor. Remember this guy? Remember how he pleaded with people to understand Trump is not the conservative warrior they thought he was? Remember how the Trump faithful chewed him into tiny pieces and spit him in the trash bin? It exists in both parties. The Democrats did it with Tulsi and now they’re doing it with Bobby Jr and Cornel West. But Republicans need to look in the mirror as well.
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Republican voters can't do it by themselves, that only hands unlimited power to Democrats. It takes everyone.
Nonsense! Someone needs to show the public who’s the adult in the room. Until one of them does it neither of them will and things will continue to get worse.
Things could continue along as they are, things will become worse until the hatred boils over into a civil war after which regardless of which side wins liberty in this country will be dead.
Or someone could try practicing a politics of compromise and consensus, quit accusing the other side of being subhuman and not worthy of life, instead treat them with respect and dignity, listen to what is being said and seek by persuasion to find common ground, maintain his composure against the ranting from the other side the way a parent acts with a two year old’s tantrum which helps the two year old to grow up.
Would that work? I think it probably would, probably not at first and probably would suffer lots of starts and stops. But one thing we know for sure: today’s politics of divisiveness and loathing is taking us down a very dangerous path and someone needs to put the brakes on before this country crashes into a heap.
How do you compromise or find middle ground with people that fully believe it's OK to talk to 5-10 year olds about sex and gender confusion? How do you compromise with people whose sense of right and wrong is so fvcked up wrong is right, bad is good?
Maybe you don't start with something in which the two sides are 180 degrees apart, but instead look for something seemingly small, something where a consesnus can be arrived at, build a little trust between the sides and work on the hard stuff once the two sides understand they are not mortal enemies. There will be some issues where compromise cannot be reached, no doubt about it, and that's why you weaken a centralized government and spread the power out as far and wide as possible. That way there will be a "home" for everyone without the burning desire to ram one's opinion down the throat of someone that sees things differently.
That's been tried for years, see where we are? Leftist don't compromise, the bide their time until they can shove it up your ass.
Where have you been? Democrats refuse to compromise on anything they merely bide their time until they have enough power to shove their legislation up your ass.
What I suggested is precisely what RFK Jr. says he wants to do. RFK, Jr. A Democrat. It's what Tulsi Gabbard said she wanted to do. Tulsi Gabbard. A Democrat. I can't think of a Repblican that has broached the subject or in any way practiced it in my lifetime. Ron Paul, maybe. And he was a libertarian more than a Republican.
And you see where that got you? Tulsi Gabbard ostracized from the Democrat Party, RFK Jr on the same path.
If you are looking for an example, take the War on poverty as one. Republicans understand it's the individual that will solve the problem for themselves and want to incentivized that, Democrats since the beginning of the War on Poverty looked for nothing but a voter.
That's not exactly starting with something small! You may be misunderstanding me. I'm not suggesting one side drop trou and bend over. I'm saying they should look for something on which they mostly agree and work on that. Then find something else on which they mostly agree and work on it. Learn to trust one another before you delve into the big stuff. Nobody does that and nobody has for as far back as I can remember.
It won’t work. It should work, but it won’t.
These idiots in some ways actually do reflect the electorate. The society has changed enough that there are no longer enough people who look at it in the way you encourage above. They are still there, but they don’t have the numbers.
Us against them is just too convenient for too many people.
3 Responses and still not one name of a person who meets your standard of being a conservative. But we know why. Because I can show, by your 100% or nothing standard, that anyone you choose isn't what you say they are.
Let me try a different analogy that maybe you'll get. Did you have cereal this morning? If you did, you are lying. It was only 99.98% cereal and .02% other matter, and thus NOT cereal.
As I said earlier I have nothing but respect for your opinion, I just don't necessarily agree with it. By the way I did have what is known as a bowl of cereal this morning and it was roughly 50% cereal and 50% milk. Oh, and let me also add I haven't named anyone because I don't know of one; I already said that. But I would say there are politicians that are "more conservative" than Donald Trump, surely you would agree. Supporting one of them depends on the same factor of supporting DJT, he's "conservative enough" (for you).
Im not a DJT supporter. I prefer him over the alternative, and was his supporter in 2016 as I saw him as a political outsider who hasn't been engrossed in the DC swamp for my entire lifetime (something you can't say about either of the Dem's last two presidential candidates). But you are missing my point. By your standard, noone is ANYTHING. AOC isn't a liberal. Trump isn't a conservative, etc. Because your standard requires 100% alignment 100% of the time or you don't measure up.
I’m not missing your point, I’m agreeing with it. No one is “conservative enough” for me (which is a moot point because I’m a radical libertarian, not a conservative). There are degrees of how conservative a particular Republican is, and in my opinion DJT barely makes the list (actually doesn’t make it on my list). But for you he’s conservative enough and I respect that. I asked people to quit calling him a conservative, you said no, and that’s the end of that tune.
Radical Libertarian? Really? Does your car have tags? If so, you don't qualify for that title.
