Coach smith addresses media

[NYWRESTLER94]

some interesting tidbits, sounds like he's only got 133-165 and 184 figured out the rest aren't settled yet.

http://okstate.com/news/2016/10/17/cowboy-wrestling-meets-the-media.aspx

 

[april racer]

some interesting tidbits, sounds like he's only got 133-165 and 184 figured out the rest aren't settled yet.

http://okstate.com/news/2016/10/17/cowboy-wrestling-meets-the-media.aspx

I think they are all settled, like he said he doesn't want to announce the team too early and make guys feel like they don't have a chance.

 

[oberebo]

some interesting tidbits, sounds like he's only got 133-165 and 184 figured out the rest aren't settled yet.

http://okstate.com/news/2016/10/17/cowboy-wrestling-meets-the-media.aspx

I would tend to agree with you. At first I thought you were saying only 133,165 and 184 but I reread your post and you are indicating 133-165 and 184. Not giving a potential starter at 125 might be indicating that as we have heard that Eli Hale is battling Pic for a starting spot. Crutchmer had a serious foot injury and he will have competition from 2X Juco champion Jacobe Smith and of course we know that Derek White and Preston Weigel will be battling at 197. I tend to think Schafer is the best at 285 but he has been on and off John's bad list for his entire career and John may not want to assign him as the starter until he determines his attitude. Of course, we do have in the room the National Juco champion in the room from NEO but in looking at his competition and some of his videos he does not appear to be in Schafer's class but he may have improved with the competition.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Would they be giving Jordan rogers a look at all? I thought he started to look to form at the scuffle last year had a nice match with Boyd where he appeared to be competing.

 

[oberebo]

Would they be giving Jordan rogers a look at all? I thought he started to look to form at the scuffle last year had a nice match with Boyd where he appeared to be competing.

 

[oberebo]

There are clues in what John said about "3, possibly 4 freshman starters. To accomplish 4 starters that are freshman you would have to say Pic at 125, Kaid at 133 as obvious choices. To get the other two I believe that Derek White at 197 could be the third(not saying who is winning this battle but White is a Fr. while Weigel is a Sophomore. The fourth Freshman may be a stretch but in looking I believe you can eliminate Heavy weight as Blake Andrews is a Junior and Ethan Andersen is considered to be a work in progress. At 141 Heil is the returning champion but there are three RS freshman at this weight including Lewallen, Moran and Olson. I do not think they replace Heil so in the quest for 4 you most likely eliminate 141. At 149 Anthony Collica is a returning AA. Some talk about redshirting him and replacing him this year with Geo Martinez but he is a Junior. That only leaves true freshman Wyatt Sheets who needs to redshirt so I believe 149 is eliminated as the 4th freshman. At 157 Joe Smith returns as a AA and no viable freshman candidates at this weight which can also be eliminated. There are no freshman candidates at 165 so Chandler Rogers who is a rs sophomore eliminates this weight. At 174 Kyle Crutchmer is a senior as is Jordan Rogers and Jacobe Smith is a junior. I see no other 174 pounders so this weight can also be eliminated. At 184 Nolan Boyd is a returning AA and I would say a lock to start. Andrew Marsden is a RS freshman and Keegan Moore is a true freshman but I would say 184 is eliminated. I see only three possible freshman starters barring injury either to our returning national champion at 141 or to Nolan Boyd at 184.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I thought marsden and white were sophomores

 

[oberebo]

I thought marsden and white were sophomores

White is shown as a freshman on the roster and Marsden a R/S freshman. In any event I believe White is a freshman whether he is R/S or not. Keegan Moore is most likely the heir apparent at 184 and projects as a very promising one at that. We know that Marsden is wily and he is moving down a weight but obviously neither is going to replace Boyd this year.

 

[Old Number Nine]

I listened to Coach Smith talk as I worked this morning and here are a few notes that I picked up. Sorry for the bad notes, I don't do shorthand:

He was happy with having 50% in state kids. He was unsure if this was a good sign or not.

Most of our guys were 5 to 12 finisher; no superstars like Alex. Heil wasn't dominate. He won three matches by less than two points, not dominate just tough.

Boyd is at a tough weight with great spirit and works hard but needs to step it up technically. Kids in camps ask about Boyd because they admire his work ethic.

When asked if he had a lineup, he said not yet and didn't want to knock down those fighting for a spot. But he said Brock, Smith, Anthony, Boyd were good bets but the other six weights were open; Was it an oversight to not include Dean?

Said he didn't think Joe was ready to win the championship, needs to work on his techniques and habits. He got "way" bigger than he should have this summer but he didn't think that would effect Joe's season.

Asked about Austin; Austin always thinks he's doing good even when he's not. Smith has to show his patience with him. Whenever you can eat you're a lot happier. He weighs 238.

Smith did say that you don't want to not make weight with him. Kaid and Crutchmer are healthy. Kaid needs to learn to wrestle more safely when pressing is not needed. Kaid was lucky, he was two matches from losing his redshirt.

It was hard to coach Joe. It was him not Joe. He needs to not be too rough on him. He didn't coach him in the nationals because he was too nervous. That was bad for Joe because Joe needed him.

They said he was wrestling our softball coach, feels he can beat him. He hasn't competed since he turned 51 but still drills in the room. Still beats his 80 lb 13 yr old "still kicks his tail" and 50 lb 7 yr old "undefeated against him".

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

White is shown as a freshman on the roster and Marsden a R/S freshman. In any event I believe White is a freshman whether he is R/S or not. Keegan Moore is most likely the heir apparent at 184 and projects as a very promising one at that. We know that Marsden is wily and he is moving down a weight but obviously neither is going to replace Boyd this year.

White redshirted 2 years ago and wrestled attached for Nebraska last season at tournaments. Marsden did the same when his redshirt was pulled so I think that's a mistake. I'm not as sold on Moore based on what I saw from later in the year however I know you're closer to the program and maybe seen his improvements since being in the room over there.

 

[oberebo]

White redshirted 2 years ago and wrestled attached for Nebraska last season at tournaments. Marsden did the same when his redshirt was pulled so I think that's a mistake. I'm not as sold on Moore based on what I saw from later in the year however I know you're closer to the program and maybe seen his improvements since being in the room over there.

I am not closer to the program but I just express my opinion. You are probably right on both Marsden and White which if true I believe limits it to three freshman. The only other option I see is one of three freshman or RS freshmen at 141 consistently beating a national champion and I do not see that.

 

[oberebo]

I am not closer to the program but I just express my opinion. You are probably right on both Marsden and White which if true I believe limits it to three freshman. The only other option I see is one of three freshman or RS freshmen at 141 consistently beating a national champion and I do not see that.

http://news.theopenmat.com/college-wrestling-news/breaking-news-derek-white-left-nebraska/59177 This would confirm that Derek White is a Sophomore and we all remember that Marsden was taken out of redshirt at 197 last year when Schafer was suspended.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I am not closer to the program but I just express my opinion. You are probably right on both Marsden and White which if true I believe limits it to three freshman. The only other option I see is one of three freshman or RS freshmen at 141 consistently beating a national champion and I do not see that.

You're a lot closer than I am, regardless I respect what you have to say

 

[cowboychuck]

http://news.theopenmat.com/college-wrestling-news/breaking-news-derek-white-left-nebraska/59177 This would confirm that Derek White is a Sophomore and we all remember that Marsden was taken out of redshirt at 197 last year when Schafer was suspended.

I don't remember how many matches Marsden wrestled, but maybe he didn't wrestle too many and got his redshirt back?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I don't remember how many matches Marsden wrestled, but maybe he didn't wrestle too many and got his redshirt back?

Doesn't work that way, only for injured guys

 

[OSUMatFan]

I agree there is no way that Marsden is not a sophomore. Seems like White would be as well. Marsden could redshirt this year. He really should as there is a ton of talent between 184 and 197. If he can get down to 184 next year that would be his best shot.

 

[oberebo]

Doesn't work that way, only for injured guys

I agree.