Well sure but Sandusky was only one guy too correct? How did a non athlete get access to the locker room much less a minor in the sauna? Didn't Penn St learn anything from Sandusky, Paterno et al? Briles apparently didn't know what was going on and certainly not Ken Starr and yet ...
Brooks fails drug test
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And I would counter with we haven't seen anything like this before and he's been there 16 years. So hes managed well over a couple hundred kids. My opinion is the only major one here you listed is Carter. Snyder is a grown man who was looking for a BJ( personal service announcement if you get married make sure she doesn't mind a good BJ) I don't see this having any reflection on Cael. Davis was being a drunk college kid he's from Michigan those boys drink not a big deal. Brooks is one that I scratch my head about I will wait until the substance to be released before I say anything. Carter situation is a bad one and what Cael did and didn't know is important here. The 2 BIG ones for me are Carter and Andrew Long. Having 2 bad apples out of a couple hundred kids isnt bad at all. I know it's way more fun to bash Penn st because they always win and I'm here for those laughs. But let's not act like Cael is running a crime ring
I agree with you on that, but the timing of them all coming out in such a short period of time, that is what makes it tough.
Agree and the track record his previous 15 years is probably why he still has a job. It obviously looks horrible now since it's all at once
I get the criticism. PSU branded themselves as a clean fun-loving program that isn't all about the results but the winning comes with the fun! It's a nice message in a brutal sport even if it comes off as annoying.
Penn State used to have wrestlers that represented the program in a way where people actually believed it, particularly the second generation (Zain, Nolf, Hall, Cenzo) ... Nickal was a bit of an outlier as someone who was brash but nowhere what he is now.
I'm biased obviously because I believe that is what Cael was hoping to create but he clearly allowed exceptions in the third generation (particularly with his 2 best wrestlers), where ironically he got his best tournament results.
It's disappointing to me because assuming nothing changes drastically with the coaches/team (I'll never say never at this point), I think the team is transitioning back to good leaders, if Mitchell Mesenbrink and Josh Barr are the most controversial figures (for being the chippiest wrestler and handshake gate) then we're doing fine but fair or not, PSU Wrestling's brand as it is is tainted unless they can go a few years without incident.
For the record, my comments are solely on the perception or the program and why people are reacting the way they are, not commenting on what I believe happened in the Starocci situation in particular or my opinions on AB/Snyder's incidents (that basically seem open and shut)
I believe the longer coaches coach, the harder it gets for them. They do not know how to relate to the current generation as well as when they first started out. Many coaches have gone through it. Look at John Smith in his last ten or so years as a coach. The team went stale, and it showed in their results. And there were plenty of character issues that came out with OK State wrestlers also. As a fan of the sport, when things like that happen, I look at the coach first and ask what type of influence/leadership that they still have on the team. Because ultimately the coach is responsible for the team. Did that make John a bad coach, not at all, it just made it time for him to pass the torch, and he did that at the right time.
I am not by any means saying that it is time for Cael to pass the torch, but if he survives this, he better get a shorter leash, even for the best wrestlers on the team. He has to make changes to his coaching style to prevent stuff like this from happening in the future, because if he does not, it is over with.
Air Thurman, in retrospect, I was a rude guest for calling you a troll. With a less tired mind, I see your point. I think my posts this morning largely agree with you. Please accept my apology. As I've said, the AB, Davis, and Snyder stuff don't really bother me even though as you say it's a lot in a short time frame. The CS stuff, and specifically the locker room behavior, is most concerning, because that is where coaching occurs.
No worries man. I appreciate your posts around here.
This is an interesting deflection, by all accounts Ohio is the only thing that has stopped this behavior. Dude has been in PA for longer than he was on campus in Columbus, hopefully he didn’t take any hookers to Cael’s house when he was living in his basement.
I don't give a crap about the private doings of an Ohio State guy while in Ohio. Literally zero ***** given on that one. Try a better hill to die on than that one.
Despite your pleas to make it so, I don't know one PSU fan who gives a crap about Snyder and his goings on. No recruits or their families give a crap about Snyder and his goings on. So in the end, this is just histrionics on a message board. The Snyder hill is not worth dying on but you do you.
Penn State Wrestling cares about Snyder. They are actively promoting him on their social accounts. Again, not sure how we can claim a guy and use him to promote our program but then claim he doesn’t matter when he gets charged with a sex crime.
Breath in and breath out, count to ten. You remember
Of course no one thinks Snyder’s sexual proclivities has anything to do with PSU. Maybe Cael, but no one else. Snyder’s misdeeds are between him, his wife and his Maker. Bad timing though. You have to cut us some slack. It’s been the first time in a decade of getting pummeled in March, we can take any shots at PSU. A little passive aggressive behavior never hurt anyone. As long as Cael deals with this crap correctly, and he will, it will all blow over.
Trust me, my heart rate on the Snyder thing is just fine. All I'm saying is that there are arguments to be used against PSU these days. Snyder ain't one of them imo.Breath in and breath out, count to ten. You remember
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Of course no one thinks Snyder’s sexual proclivities has anything to do with PSU. Maybe Cael, but no one else. Snyder’s misdeeds are between him, his wife and his Maker. Bad timing though. You have to cut us some slack. It’s been the first time in a decade of getting pummeled in March, we can take any shots at PSU. A little passive aggressive behavior never hurt anyone. As long as Cael deals with this crap correctly, and he will, it will all blow over.
I don’t care what he pleaded guilty too. There is video of him in a hotel room with his pants down. He got busted for prostitution.
How long of thread would it be on the PSU board if this all happened to Iowa or OSU? You think there would be a lot of dunking on DT if all this happened under his watch? You don’t think PSU fans would be looking down on these “morally” inferior programs if this was Iowa?
By all means homer out for your program. That is what fans do just don’t be surprised when other fanbases don’t buy it.
I promised if this much crap happened at Iowa the PSU board would have a ten page thread lambasting Brands by this point.
No one on our board would give a crap whether he was an Ohio State guy, an OSU guy, an Iowa guy, or a PSU guy. It's quite literally a nothing thing because it isn't about wrestling. No one cares. No sponsors left him. He still has a NLWC contract. He is still wrestling.
Snyder probably would have been better off if Rudis just left him instead of what they've been doing (a cringey promotion of him as a comeback story like what happened was an injury or tragedy)
It was a tragedy to him he had his pants down ready to go 🤣 🔵 balls
Brooks screwed up, to our benefit, and I’m wondering how he got the juice. Snyder is a pervo, not a reflection on PSU. But, CS has been a consistent irritant as well as deviant and a thief. He is a bad egg with 5 NCs. Cael should have dealt with CS a long time ago. These infractions didn’t just start. They have been going on for years. There is no way Cael and staff didn’t see the red flags. Even Cael is willing to overlook things when you have a guaranteed champ and points toward another championship team.
There is literally a 21 page thread titled "Ferrari and the latest drama" on the PSU board.
People who post on wrestling message boards are diehard fans and they will do anything to protect the brand. They will post that this program is cheating with no evidence and then when the program they like gets caught cheating it's nothing to see here and they start spinning things. Many blasted AJ for his situation and then when something similar arises elsewhere it's well this is different. Hypocrisy is real with wrestling diehards
I’m just going to voice this. I heard Brooks took DHEA, and that is what he is in hot water about. Ridiculous! That is like creatine being on the banned list. Obviously they have their reasons for not allowing some of these substances, but this stuff can be gotten OTC. If this is the case, it’s way blown out of proportion.
Kind of ironic the sides we're taking here (and your support for AB is appreciated)
But Brooks' is responsible for anything that goes into his body and you'd think after his previous trouble (even if he was cleared) he would double, triple check everything. At best, he's very irresponsible to the rules and that is an awful look in itself.
I'm on the exact same page. I said on day one that once is a mistake. Twice is a trend. Trend can be accidental or nefarious. USADA doesn't distinguish between the two. Guilty is guilty. There is an app from USADA that when you plug in the medication/supplement, it spits out whether it contains a banned substance. I'm left shaking my head knowing that.
Because it is used as a masking agent. Have no clue if that is why Brooks used it but there is a good reason it’s been on the banned list for awhile.
