****BREAKING**** 14 Shot and Killed
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2200 shot in Chicago THIS YEAR
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ure-four-including-girl-6-20160719-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ure-four-including-girl-6-20160719-story.html
Probably....I'll have to check.
They only matter when there is a liberal point to make.....
Unpaid leave. Its the way that it always works.
Would you prefer guilty until you can prove your innocence?
Any thoughts on if the Chicago Gangbangers should get unpaid leave, while we are on the subject?
What is happening in Chicago is terrorism. It is incredibly sad for the countless people who live in fear there every day.
What does that have to do with violence in Chicago?
The president won't touch Chicago because it doesn't rile up the base. No chance for political gain, so no interest. Gang bangers in Chicago also don't pull in donation money. Liberals would be happy if the media stopped reporting the violence. It's inconvenient.
It is pathetic and extremely alarming how both sides of the aisle have ignored this issue.
How about you tell us your solution?
Unlike lib lemmings I believe most reasonable people will listen to sound solutions.
If your solution is gun control, more money for social programs, whatever, lay your case out there with reasoned thought and if they are genuine you might be surprised how much support you might get.
Let's hear it. We're waiting, do you have more substance than just repeating Dem talking points?
It's your anthem!! With all that energy for Chicago, you have no solutions? They have guns everywhere! So what's YOUR solution?? Conservatives bring it up all the time. It's a fair question. Don't get cute and answer a question with a question, you brought it up before, you're talking about it now, so follow through. What would you do, or are you criticizing POTUS for not solving the unsolvable?
Unsolvable? So your answer is simply "live with it"?
If NYC can be cleaned up and turned into one of the safest places on the planet, then Chicago can be helped.
Why can't people be saddened by a situation without having a definitive answer or solution?
I'm very far from right winged and very far from an Obama champion. It's people like you (and many others on here) that want to point fingers and make everything a partisan issue that will continue to ruin this country.
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It's called due process and the presumption of innocence.
You might want to look into it and the court decisions commenting on it, moron.
Less "broken windows" policing and more community policing.
Less prosecution and investigation of "revenue generating" arrests and an investigative and prosecution focus on violent crimes.
From what I understand Chicago's and Illinois gun control laws are pretty stringent already so I don't see increased gun control as helping.
Honest and open community engagement between LE and community leaders/churches for ideas on stopping the violence from those that are most affected.
That's all I've got right now. It is a seriously tangled Gordian knot. I don't presume to have all the answers.
Which is it, I'm saying simply "live with it" or I "want to point fingers and make everything a partisan issue?" I haven't pointed a finger or made it a partisan issue. I noted there are lots of comments about it and asked a very logical follow up question that nobody has answered. They rip Obama because of south Chicago, but nobody has a solution.
NYC is one of the safest places on the planet?
Well, that sounds good. Are you saying that stuff hasn't been tried? Or that it's not going on now?
Maybe a good start is acknowledging what the problem actually is. I don't see Sharpton and Jackson protesting deaths in Chicago. I don't see BLM protesting gang bangers. I don't see mainstream media outrage. The only thing I see is contempt for suggesting that gang culture is a problem. Something encourages young black males to kill each other in horrific numbers, and it isn't white methodists or Fox News.
Why do they kill each other? Turf? Perpetual retaliation? A glorification of gang banging?
Why do they kill each other? Turf? Perpetual retaliation? A glorification of gang banging?
From what I know about Chicago and their PD, relationship between Rahm Emmanuel, the CPD, and the communities we are discussing are pretty much in a triangular all time low. Chicago has a police board that nominates three candidates for police chief as part of their duties. The mayor is supposedly require to choose from the three candidates. Rahm didn't do that. He named an individual not from that list. PD rank and file didn't like that Rahm fired the prior superintendent, some in the community don't like that he hired a replacement outside the board process and hired someone from within the PD. Some do like that his choice was an African American officer.
So I'm saying I don't think those ideas have been legitimately tried in the past and it's sure not going on right now. There is a void of leadership. Chicago also frankly has a history or corruption at all levels of government, including the PD. In a real sense, the city is reaping what it has sown over many decades....easily half a century.
Justice Department is investigating the CPD and likely will seek a consent decree similar to that after the Rampart scandal in LA. I'm not usually a federal government proponent, but DOJ oversight over PDs across the nation have done good and improved civil rights protection in many situations, IMO. Also, it seems to me that the Feds could get involved in local violent crime investigations from a gun law violations perspective if they were interested.
In addition to what I previously mentioned, civilian review and oversight boards might also need to be on the table as a solution...as long as they are review/advisory rather than prosecutorial in nature, IMO. LE also need to engage in transparency initiatives with regards to officer involved shootings. No police department should be doing the criminal investigation of their own officers in an officer involved shooting. Some other agency should be doing it.
Your earlier point is well taken, btw....at least by me. Demanding others provide the "solution" while copiously avoiding providing your own thoughts on the solution is bad form intellectually IMO....but I think you are presently doing exactly the same thing. I guess that's why I ventured into the breach risking disgust from both sides. Lol.
No, I appreciate the thoughts. I don't know how to solve it absent forcefully taking children and sterilizing people. I'm jUst tired of people rip Obama about it. Like the Middle East -- what're you really gonna do? I'm not sure law enforcement is the issue. Lots of places have shitty law enforcement without that much killing.
You are the one who called it unsolvable and then chastised people for not having solution. So I would say both accurately describe your stance on the issue.
You said and I quote "conservatives bring it up all the time". Pretty clear attempt to make it a partisan issue and an obvious example of pointing a finger.
And yes, NYC is one of the safest places on the planet. According to FBI statistics on violent crime it is the 8th safest metro in the nation (of the 50 largest metro areas) and the safest metro in the nation with a population greater than 5M.
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Predictable response, you've got nothing. You're all hat and no cattle.
Personally when that many people are getting killed and terrorised in an area that is not as large as people think. I've been to Chicago in the last month, the violence is almost exclusively in South Chicago the rest of the city is a normal big city with normal activity. You have to either flood the area with police or if there is not enough of those call in the National Guard, which the Governor can do to police the streets.
You won't like this but if you profile gangs cruising the streets or roaming the neighborhoods and you STOP AND FRISK them to confiscate the ILLEGAL guns that they have and CHARGE them with existing gun laws you will stop the violence.
Rudy did it in New York and it worked.
I could solve it if I was president.
The first thing you do is legalize and regulate marijuana.
The second thing you do is double the sentences for anyone caught trafficking hard drugs. You then turn a certain number of square feet of jails into "forced rehabilitations centers" that are centered on recovery and personal harmony. You can offer early exit for people agreeing to go to vocational programs in other states.
You then rank the worst neighborhoods in the country. You send in an overwhelming military presence and you stand them on every corner in groups of ten. You allow police to stop and frisk in the presence of military back up. Take guns, take drugs and identify who is worth saving and you offer them an opportunity to enroll in a vocational program in another state. Take the turds and process them in the system like they would be eventually anyway.
We abolish the irs and turn those jobs into social worker jobs. You make a path for minorities from the worst neighborhoods to be trained as social workers and offer a certificate at colleges and universities for that training. Flood the neighborhoods with this army of people who are trained to look for at risk youth, check up on bad situations and also be trained to act as mentors.
Generationally you have to redistribute school budgets. There is no reason a kid in Jenks should get a 1000% better opportunity at a public education than someone in north Tulsa. As it stands now, minorities and poor are fvcked from birth in the most powerful indicator of a successful life, which is education. States need to take control of the money and phase in a dollar per pupil rate instead of local tax bases dooming their inhabitants indefinitely.
And of course lawyers. Good old lawyers. Public defenders don't get near the results the big boys get. That system is so rigged against the poor and it is so obvious, but no one talks about it. While the privilaged get felonies knocked down to misdemeanors, the poor get a much reduced product and their harsher sentences show this in the statistics.
Then you make every Thursday president Harry blow job day. Problem solved.
The first thing you do is legalize and regulate marijuana.
The second thing you do is double the sentences for anyone caught trafficking hard drugs. You then turn a certain number of square feet of jails into "forced rehabilitations centers" that are centered on recovery and personal harmony. You can offer early exit for people agreeing to go to vocational programs in other states.
You then rank the worst neighborhoods in the country. You send in an overwhelming military presence and you stand them on every corner in groups of ten. You allow police to stop and frisk in the presence of military back up. Take guns, take drugs and identify who is worth saving and you offer them an opportunity to enroll in a vocational program in another state. Take the turds and process them in the system like they would be eventually anyway.
We abolish the irs and turn those jobs into social worker jobs. You make a path for minorities from the worst neighborhoods to be trained as social workers and offer a certificate at colleges and universities for that training. Flood the neighborhoods with this army of people who are trained to look for at risk youth, check up on bad situations and also be trained to act as mentors.
Generationally you have to redistribute school budgets. There is no reason a kid in Jenks should get a 1000% better opportunity at a public education than someone in north Tulsa. As it stands now, minorities and poor are fvcked from birth in the most powerful indicator of a successful life, which is education. States need to take control of the money and phase in a dollar per pupil rate instead of local tax bases dooming their inhabitants indefinitely.
And of course lawyers. Good old lawyers. Public defenders don't get near the results the big boys get. That system is so rigged against the poor and it is so obvious, but no one talks about it. While the privilaged get felonies knocked down to misdemeanors, the poor get a much reduced product and their harsher sentences show this in the statistics.
Then you make every Thursday president Harry blow job day. Problem solved.
