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That’s laughable, bob by himself decided to act on going after wrestlers not in the portal at very much needed weights for iowa. Without any input from tom, come on corby stop covering for your hawks.

It’s insane to think Bob wasn’t meeting with the coaches before reaching out to the wrestlers, of course he was, and that makes it tampering. This is why Iowa has had multiple tampering complaints filed against them.

Meanwhile their fanbase just pretends they haven’t gutted 3 programs over the past 3 years by this illegal tampering as they sulk about others not playing by the rules, what a joke.
 
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That’s laughable, bob by himself decided to act on going after wrestlers not in the portal at very much needed weights for iowa. Without any input from tom, come on corby stop covering for your hawks.
Bob definitely has a fine eye for talent. Everyone says Bob runs everything 🤷 Now that narrative is dead hmm interesting
 
It’s insane to think Bob wasn’t meeting with the coaches before reaching out to the wrestlers, of course he was, and that makes it tampering. This is why Iowa has had multiple tampering complaints filed against them.

Meanwhile their fanbase just pretends they haven’t gutted 3 programs over the past 3 years by this illegal tampering as they sulk about others not playing by the rules, what a joke.
Illegal tampering would be if Tom was the one making the phone calls . Also the NCAA laughed at all of those. So now you know what coaches talk about in meetings. Wonder how the NCAA would feel about someone saying they had to be talking in meetings 🤣🤣. Man someone is reaching
 
You know what was said and you know it’s closer to right than wrong. $625/per x 2 is what I said
I don't believe that was close actually.

Lots of scrambling going on right now because kids about to enroll in August need the NIL $ paid in full before July 1 or it's subject to the clearinghouse. Hearing about some deals around the country that might not get paid out
 
Lots of talk about guys training at RTCs who live outside the 250 mile radius. Compliance at Oklahoma st is under the impression that having an apartment in town makes it so you can train at the RTC . UsaW says it's the address where you live permanently and where your parents reside and claim you on taxes. Now this isn't an NCAA violation it's an RTC violation. And I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble for a 250 mile violation. The RTCs are the ones paying to train guys for Usaw so them enforcing the rules is a weird one. Rumors are the 250 mile rule will be going away soon 🤷
The 250 mi rule has always been stupid. 250 miles in Texas is completely different than 250 in Jersey.
 
Illegal tampering would be if Tom was the one making the phone calls . Also the NCAA laughed at all of those. So now you know what coaches talk about in meetings. Wonder how the NCAA would feel about someone saying they had to be talking in meetings 🤣🤣. Man someone is reaching
Yea I’m the one reaching.

Anyone acting at the direction of or in cooperation with Tom Brands still makes it illegal tampering. This is a basic legal principle that you are apparently unfamiliar with if you honestly think he had to make the call to be guilty of anything.

Of course proving this connection to the NCAA can be difficult despite the fact it’s obvious what was going on to anyone with half a brain.
 
Yea I’m the one reaching.

Anyone acting at the direction of or in cooperation with Tom Brands still makes it illegal tampering. This is a basic legal principle that you are apparently unfamiliar with if you honestly think he had to make the call to be guilty of anything.

Of course proving it to the NCAA can be difficult despite the fact it’s obvious what was going on to anyone with half a brain.
That's why the NCAA always had the "institutional control" hammer when boosters got out of line.
 
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Yea I’m the one reaching.

Anyone acting at the direction of or in cooperation with Tom Brands still makes it illegal tampering. This is a basic legal principle that you are apparently unfamiliar with if you honestly think he had to make the call to be guilty of anything.

Of course proving this connection to the NCAA can be difficult despite the fact it’s obvious what was going on to anyone with half a brain.
A basic legal principal assuming a conversation was had. Man you must be a lawyer.

What if someone tells the NCAA Flying_Tiger on the message boards knows what really happened?
 
A basic legal principal assuming a conversation was had. Man you must be a lawyer.

What if someone tells the NCAA Flying_Tiger on the message boards knows what really happened?
The NCAA used to assume that these conversations occurred because of institutional control. So you were guilty of overt actions or inactions. Pick the poison.
 
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Possible they're training in town but not at the RTC
If I remember right this summer Vega wrestled Basset in freestyle and lost 12 to 10. However, this last tournament I believe World Trials Vega did not wrestle very good and got upset and so didn't face basset. Vega had a break I think based on the Coaching staff thinking that he was wrestling too much. The Raney's 1 or both have beaten Jax before and the bigger one has gotten bigger and would be in Bassets weight class and I think he would be close to Basset. But they have not wrestled and so this would just be my opinion. We should stick with and keep the Raney's. Keeping Ross is vitally important for us.
 
Is it a rule if USAW provided advice on the subject and that advise was followed?

This is an absolute nothing situation.
UsaW said just get an address and everything is ok? That's not the response others got when they asked.
Maybe the same rules don't apply to every RTC 🤷
 
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UsaW said just get an address and everything is ok? That's not the response others got when they asked.
Maybe the same rules don't apply to every RTC 🤷
I never said anything of that sort. Not just get an address and it’s cool, even though that address is his new address and will be for at least a few years barring unforeseen circumstances.

Where are his compliance visits taking place…or whatever you call them?

This is 100% not an issue of legality. Everything was done with complete care.
 
I never said anything of that sort. Not just get an address and it’s cool, even though that address is his new address and will be for at least a few years barring unforeseen circumstances.

Where are his compliance visits taking place…or whatever you call them?

This is 100% not an issue of legality. Everything was done with complete care.
Chase you must reside within 250 miles of the RTC. No sense in discussing this anymore. Just don't be accusing other programs of breaking rules and acting like everything is squeaky clean in Stillwater
 
Chase you must reside within 250 miles of the RTC. No sense in discussing this anymore. Just don't be accusing other programs of breaking rules and acting like everything is squeaky clean in Stillwater
Where is the biggest collective of young talent in this country? Within 250 miles of anywhere in Pennsylvania?

The rule is detrimental to the sport, and things were done clean in Stillwater. Again, this is a non-issue.
 
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A basic legal principal assuming a conversation was had. Man you must be a lawyer.

What if someone tells the NCAA Flying_Tiger on the message boards knows what really happened?
Yes, it's crazy to think that Iowa's #1 booster is talking to the Iowa coaches about what wrestlers from other teams to target with NIL offers. Did you go to the MSU School for the Obtuse?
 
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If I remember right this summer Vega wrestled Basset in freestyle and lost 12 to 10. However, this last tournament I believe World Trials Vega did not wrestle very good and got upset and so didn't face basset. Vega had a break I think based on the Coaching staff thinking that he was wrestling too much. The Raney's 1 or both have beaten Jax before and the bigger one has gotten bigger and would be in Bassets weight class and I think he would be close to Basset. But they have not wrestled and so this would just be my opinion. We should stick with and keep the Raney's. Keeping Ross is vitally important for us.
This was the first offseason the Raney brothers ever competed in Freestyle or Greco. Went to Fargo and made a name for themselves.

 
Another good one. Just shows how electric Jordyn Raney is, and Jayden is as well, but these are some of the most memorable matches. I have watched the Raney's wrestle since 4 years old going back to their first match ever at 4 years old wrestling against each other.

 
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Yes, it's crazy to think that Iowa's #1 booster is talking to the Iowa coaches about what wrestlers from other teams to target with NIL offers. Did you go to the MSU School for the Obtuse?
I'm crazy for not acting like I know what was said in a personal conversations between people when I wasn't there. Maybe the crazy person is the one acting like they know 🤷
 
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I'm crazy for not acting like I know what was said in a personal conversations between people when I wasn't there. Maybe the crazy person is the one acting like they know 🤷
Jesus … yeah I’m sure Bob is throwing massive bags without input from what the Iowa coaches really want.

Stop being obtuse.
 
I know this is OT, but Im amazed that Iowa fans will do anything they can to stand behind the Brands'. I've said forever that they owe a decade worth of paychecks to Spencer Lee for saving their asses. It's like they don't realize they are Iowa and are fine not being in the conversation for #1.

Part of me wanted to see how they could miraculously turn Bo into Gullibon. They're margin for error is just so incredibly small and they don't even realize it.
Bad take. I get what youre saying but that applies/APPLIED to several programs ;), lets be real. Yes Iowa has its history but they have finished consistently better than just about everyone other than PSU for awhile now. What Cael has built of course is insane.

Theres just one thing I dont get about Cael though and that is how he managed to keep great wrestlers who couldnt start for so long. People in the wrestling media all act like its no big deal that all these bench riders stay "because they want to be the best". Is it just me or is that just F insane? Where else does that happen? Is there another sport or team where this happens? If it does its because they got complacent along the way or theyre simply after an education (which I can somewhat respect), not because they thought they'd be the best version of themselves. Why are so many people like "oh ya, makes total sense"? No Karen it doesnt, not when someone who has AA potential loses 3 or even 4 years eligibility. Its very cultish over there, almost like some church organizations :cool:.

But maybe were seeing a shift now?
 
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Another good one. Just shows how electric Jordyn Raney is, and Jayden is as well, but these are some of the most memorable matches. I have watched the Raney's wrestle since 4 years old going back to their first match ever at 4 years old wrestling against each other.

Jax is a super recruit and the Raney's are right there with him. The Raney's are super talented but also they are fighters who never quit.
 
That’s the f***ing problem. They supersede NCAA, but won’t help the farm system.

That will change and it will change quick! Watch!
This has been the central tension in global soccer forever. The clubs pay the players and absorb all the training costs, then they are expected to go play for the national team gratis. If/when they get injured that is the club's problem.

And nothing has changed.
 
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Yes Iowa has its history but they have finished consistently better than just about everyone other than PSU for awhile now. What Cael has built of course is insane.
You can drop "just about" from that sentence. This needs to be updated for this year, but it will not change the result. The line with the number in each distribution is the average placement over the period.

 
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Bad take. I get what youre saying but that applies/APPLIED to several programs ;), lets be real. Yes Iowa has its history but they have finished consistently better than just about everyone other than PSU for awhile now. What Cael has built of course is insane.

Theres just one thing I dont get about Cael though and that is how he managed to keep great wrestlers who couldnt start for so long. People in the wrestling media all act like its no big deal that all these bench riders stay "because they want to be the best". Is it just me or is that just F insane? Where else does that happen? Is there another sport or team where this happens? If it does its because they got complacent along the way or theyre simply after an education (which I can somewhat respect), not because they thought they'd be the best version of themselves. Why are so many people like "oh ya, makes total sense"? No Karen it doesnt, not when someone who has AA potential loses 3 or even 4 years eligibility. Its very cultish over there, almost like some church organizations :cool:.

But maybe were seeing a shift now?
If Im being unbiased, I could see what you're saying. But I'm not in the room or program so have no idea. Wrestlers are also a different breed of person so who knows what goes thru their mind. Prior to NIL, maybe they were fine waiting or wrestling unattached or being one injury away. Maybe they realized they are in the best place for them for other reasons like proximity, girlfriemds, classes, comfort...whatever. I've read of that being the case with many highly ranked football kids who just liked PSU. However, I get it.

I get what you're saying about Uowa, but they are essentially saying they are cool being a #2 to #5 program until Cael and Casey retire. That's a weird take to me. In addition, Iowa with TnT is not like oSu. Two different scenarios. However, look what a change in the program in zero time. Iowa isn't closing the gap and won't under their current coaching staff. It's stale and boring and I'm not sure exactly what they can sell at this point. They've had one guy, as I alluded to above.
 
Lots of talk about guys training at RTCs who live outside the 250 mile radius. Compliance at Oklahoma st is under the impression that having an apartment in town makes it so you can train at the RTC . UsaW says it's the address where you live permanently and where your parents reside and claim you on taxes. Now this isn't an NCAA violation it's an RTC violation. And I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble for a 250 mile violation. The RTCs are the ones paying to train guys for Usaw so them enforcing the rules is a weird one. Rumors are the 250 mile rule will be going away soon 🤷
I guess Jax has his address in Stilly now? Why didn’t Bo get an address in Iowa city? When I watched the Chael videos of him in the Hawkeye room, it seemed they did not put a priority on freestyle. I’m pretty sure Lee never wrestled freestyle his entire tenure at UI.
 
I guess Jax has his address in Stilly now? Why didn’t Bo get an address in Iowa city? When I watched the Chael videos of him in the Hawkeye room, it seemed they did not put a priority on freestyle. I’m pretty sure Lee never wrestled freestyle his entire tenure at UI.
Lee won the 2019 US Open
 
I guess Jax has his address in Stilly now? Why didn’t Bo get an address in Iowa city? When I watched the Chael videos of him in the Hawkeye room, it seemed they did not put a priority on freestyle. I’m pretty sure Lee never wrestled freestyle his entire tenure at UI.
Lee has always had a focus on international aspirations I’m pretty sure.

Jax has an address in Stillwater, but the rule is permanent address as it reads.

Who knows? Jax may be finishing high school in Stillwater, or he may forego his senior year and train?
 
I get what you're saying about Uowa, but they are essentially saying they are cool being a #2 to #5 program until Cael and Casey retire. That's a weird take to me. In addition, Iowa with TnT is not like oSu. Two different scenarios. However, look what a change in the program in zero time. Iowa isn't closing the gap and won't under their current coaching staff. It's stale and boring and I'm not sure exactly what they can sell at this point. They've had one guy, as I alluded to above.
And I get what youre saying as well. But, where would our minds be if DT hadnt lost at Olympic trials and the crazy whirlwind that saw him replace John Smith and make great strides in Cowboy wrestling? We were all struggling for second and Iowa was doing better than us and there was nothing we could do about it. And technically we all still will be for 2-3 more seasons. Yes, even us Cowboys with DT as HC I think it will be at least that long before we really challenge. Psu could literally have 6 champs this coming season and I believe only lose 1 of them. Thats reality unfortunately.

SO every stud recruit at this time matters. If they live the life then theyre a fit for us or psu. I'm about to the point where you get every stud you can and see who pans out because from what I'm hearing theres a stud or two in the room that are lazy and dont have a good work ethic and wont be all that unless they change. It takes more than talent at the D1 level. On the flip side Im also hearing theres an absolute lowkey Oklahoma stud beating a top recruit so the line up may get wild before its all said and done.
 
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