"Blacks for Trump" guy at the rally

[hollywood]

Medic, one murder makes me gringe.

What I am referencing is the selective "outrage" of many here.

I guess it was cool when Nixon, Reagan or Bush I was president that the homicide rate was nearly DOUBLE what it was for the Obama era? But when Obama became president it became a national tragedy and the narrative became that murder in Chicago just "exploded" when the reality is that it was FAR LOWER for 7 out of the 8 years Obama was president than the historical average.

Clearly, Chicago has some issues and the sudden increase in homicides needs to be dealt with.

My second point being, why the focus here almost always is put on Chicago? I don't remember too many discussions here about cities with much HIGHER rates of homicide over the last 8 yrs or so.

I'll toss your question right back at you, why does Chicago make you (and most others here) "gringe" when the homicide rates in other cities are significantly higher than Chicago's?

I don't recall too many here bemoaning (or even addressing) the issue that St Louis has a homicide rate DOUBLE that of Chicago, with 59.3 murders per 100k population, or any of the other 7 cities that recorded higher homicide rates than Chicago.

I will go back to my original question, why is 99% of the attention here on the crime of homicide always focused on Chicago?

 

[CBradSmith]

Medic, one murder makes me gringe.

What I am referencing is the selective "outrage" of many here.

I guess it was cool when Nixon, Reagan or Bush I was president that the homicide rate was nearly DOUBLE what it was for the Obama era? But when Obama became president it became a national tragedy and the narrative became that murder in Chicago just "exploded" when the reality is that it was FAR LOWER for 7 out of the 8 years Obama was president than the historical average.

Clearly, Chicago has some issues and the sudden increase in homicides needs to be dealt with.

My second point being, why the focus here almost always is put on Chicago? I don't remember too many discussions here about cities with much HIGHER rates of homicide over the last 8 yrs or so.

I'll toss your question right back at you, why does Chicago make you (and most others here) "gringe" when the homicide rates in other cities are significantly higher than Chicago's?

I don't recall too many here bemoaning (or even addressing) the issue that St Louis has a homicide rate DOUBLE that of Chicago, with 59.3 murders per 100k population, or any of the other 7 cities that recorded higher homicide rates than Chicago.

I will go back to my original question, why is 99% of the attention here on the crime of homicide always focused on Chicago?

Get a grip.

"Your" side is the self-proclaimed home of the black man. What in the royal F*ck are you doing about things afflicting them that aren't afflicting other segments?

Selective outrage, you say.

As if "Your" side takes anything seriously coming from the right.

No, no your side, your side is 100% reliant on blacks voting almost en bloc for your party.

You are absolutely invested in not solving problems for the black community if those solutions aren't done in conjunction with other Democratic causes .....because That's the coalition.

So we can all ironically expect these type of responses from assholes like you. The type of responses that seem to imply that political desire to solve problems isn't almost 100% tied to political motivation, when the "right" may propose an idea for solution to a problem.

Why? Because that's all your side KNOWS. Black person = vote. Black person = a large, reliable plank of your party "coalition." And your groupthink is so engrained and reinforced that people like you and @syskatine extend no goodwill nor graciousness in your observation, thoughts on, and discussion of observations or proposed advancements if from the political right.

You most likely aren't aware of how rigidly you are tied to left groupthink.
You need to challenge yourself.
You need to check yourself.

Starting place: a deep dive into how your own mind categorizes things. Challenge that mental shortcut that everybody does and that political marketing relies on and exploits.

I swear to God you people on the left are so hyper-partisan. @Medic007 is a true rarity.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Why are you guys so hung up on the Chicago homicide rate?

The honest truth is Chicago for the last 8 yrs, has had a far lower (avg) of homicides than it did for most of the 70's and 90's. This notion that crime has just "exploded" in Chicago is simply not true when viewed through the historical lens.

In fact, the homicide rate for the last decade is almost ONE HALF of what it used to be. (with 2016 being a anomaly).

Homicide Rate (Chicago)

1970: 810
1971: 824
1972: 711
1973: 862
1974: 970
1975: 818
1976: 814
1977: 823
1978: 787
1979: 856

1990: 851
1991: 928
1992: 943
1993: 855
1994: 931
1995: 828
1996: 796
1997: 761
1998: 704
1999: 643

2006: 471
2007: 448
2008: 513
2009: 459
2010: 436
2011: 435
2012: 516
2013: 441
2014: 432
2015: 468
2016: 762

BTW, the 80's weren't much better, with the lowest homicide total being 668 in 1982 and the highest total being 877 in 1981.

Sorry, but your narrative just doesn't really fly in the face of objective evidence.

Didn't you kind of prove the point? No one has done shit to help them, ever.

And I'm sorry. A 163% increase in one year isn't exactly anything to just shrug and say, "oh well, it was better than the 80's and 90's on average."

Oh, and they are on pace to surpass 700 again this year. What was it you said about a narrative and objective evidence? Looks like objective evidence is showing a disturbing trend back toward those high homicide levels.

Now, whether you consider an increase of over 160% an explosion or not, that's subjective and not worth debating.

 

[Medic007]

What I am referencing is the selective "outrage" of many here.

My outrage isn't selective. I'm tired of seeing gang violence. I get to see it up close and personal at work. Have you ever worked your ass off to save a three year old girl who just took a stray driveby bullet to the chest even though you know it's not going to change the outcome? Have you ever had to talk to the parents of kids who died because of gang violence?

I'm not all talk though. I've mentored at risk youth for 15 years now because I know it can make a difference.

I guess it was cool when Nixon, Reagan or Bush I was president that the homicide rate was nearly DOUBLE what it was for the Obama era? But when Obama became president it became a national tragedy and the narrative became that murder in Chicago just "exploded" when the reality is that it was FAR LOWER for 7 out of the 8 years Obama was president than the historical average.

Were you on this message board when Nixon, Reagan, or Bush were presidents? I wasn't.

Clearly, Chicago has some issues and the sudden increase in homicides needs to be dealt with.

Clearly.

My second point being, why the focus here almost always is put on Chicago? I don't remember too many discussions here about cities with much HIGHER rates of homicide over the last 8 yrs or so.

In 2016, the Chicago homicide rate amounted to about 44% of the overall increase in urban homicides nationwide. And it's really easy to see Chicago's data because of this website. We can discuss any city with a high homicide rate that you'd like though. Detroit? St. Louis? New Orleans? Baltimore? All of them?

I'll toss your question right back at you, why does Chicago make you (and most others here) "gringe" when the homicide rates in other cities are significantly higher than Chicago's?

The high rates in all of those cities make me cringe. Oklahoma City's homicide rate makes me cringe. Gang violence makes me cringe.

I don't recall too many here bemoaning (or even addressing) the issue that St Louis has a homicide rate DOUBLE that of Chicago, with 59.3 murders per 100k population, or any of the other 7 cities that recorded higher homicide rates than Chicago.

Well, I think my sentiment has been well presented in regards to gang violence, so I haven't felt the need to discuss every single city. I did put up a top 20 list a few months ago though.

I will go back to my original question, why is 99% of the attention here on the crime of homicide always focused on Chicago?

Answered above. Convenience and how sensational Chicago's increase was are the main reasons.