Bids Begin for Border Wall -- 30-Feet Tall

[Bitter Creek]

Fair enough.

I'm not anti-increased border security....or even anti-wall (in places it makes sense). I am anti-"Wall" as it is being used by Trump and Trumpies to mean a continuous wall across the entirety of the southern border of the US. There are a good number of areas where better electronic surveillance and beefing up of Border Patrol personnel makes more sense fiscally.

agreed.

plus, I want a one-way door that I can use to sneak out of the US with if it ever gets better there and us gringos need a place to go.

 

[CowboyJD]

The wall hasn't even been built yet and some already know who didn't pay for it.

I certainly know who hasn't paid for it yet.

I also know that Trump's "plan" for making Mexico pay that he had posted on his election website hasn't come to fruition at all.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

I certainly know who hasn't paid for it yet.

I also know that Trump's "plan" for making Mexico pay that he had posted on his election website hasn't come to fruition at all.

I can assure you that, two to three months into the Trump presidency, there's a whole hell of a lot of stuff that hasn't happened yet.

 

[CowboyJD]

I can assure you that, two to three months into the Trump presidency, there's a whole hell of a lot of stuff that hasn't happened yet.

Including Mexico paying for the wall before building starts....which was including in Trump's plan for Mexico paying on his election website.

We all get it though....you're head Trumpie cheerleader. Guns is to Trump as Sys is to Obama.

 

[davidallen]

The wall hasn't even been built yet and some already know who didn't pay for it.

You know how appropriations work right?

 

[okstatefan1]

This thread is f'n hilarious.

Speaking of chearleaders, somebody is coming on strong.

It's March. MARCH of 2017.

 

[davidallen]

This thread is f'n hilarious.

Speaking of chearleaders, somebody is coming on strong.

It's March. MARCH of 2017.

Yeah... I mean who was it that said way back in January that construction would start in mere months. That guy is an ass hat. Doesn't he know things take time.

 

[CowboyJD]

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

Has any of this happened...much less on Days 1-3?

 

[SoonerRedYukon101]

The way I understand Trump's rationale is as follows: Congress will by law appropriate the $26 billion or so necessary to build the wall over 4 years or so. That outlay will show up on one side of the massive federal government ledger. Trump surrogates have said that amount of money can come in on another side of the ledger from Mexico via import taxes, etc., etc. Personally, I couldn't care a wit if that is right or wrong. Just build it.

 

[CowboyJD]

Trump's rationale and plan are linked right above your post.

 

[davidallen]

This thread is f'n hilarious.

Speaking of chearleaders, somebody is coming on strong.

It's March. MARCH of 2017.

This guy is an idiot...

 

[SoonerRedYukon101]

Cost of border wall is less than cost of services for illegals: report

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/16/cost-wall-less-cost-services-illegals-report/

 

[CowboyJD]

Cost of border wall is less than cost of services for illegals: report

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/16/cost-wall-less-cost-services-illegals-report/

If President Trump’s border wall stopped just 10 percent of new illegal immigrants it would pay for itself by saving American taxpayers from spending money on services for those migrants over their lifetimes, according to a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies.

The center, which advocates for a crackdown on immigration, said illegal border crossers are a net drain of nearly $75,000 per person over their lifetimes.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

This guy is an idiot...

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This guy's an idiot? Well...

 

[okstatefan1]

Yeah... I mean who was it that said way back in January that construction would start in mere months. That guy is an ass hat. Doesn't he know things take time.

And it's been two.....months. One less and we would say....month.

 

[davidallen]

Cost of border wall is less than cost of services for illegals: report

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/16/cost-wall-less-cost-services-illegals-report/

Lunacy to think one will impact the other.

 

[davidallen]

And it's been two.....months. One less and we would say....month.

His. Own. Words. His. Own. Plan.

There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
-On day 1 - some bullshit not done.
-On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest.... at least Mexico has done their part.
-On day 3 - some more bullshit not done.

A link - courtesy of JD: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

 

[davidallen]

This guy's an idiot? Well...

Keen observation. One of your best.

 

[Medic007]

Keen observation. One of your best.

This one is true. How could anybody vote for that hag?

 

[Alpha Poke]

Lunacy to think one will impact the other.

Uh, huh?

Just talking about the wall has done exactly what you're saying the physical wall won't accomplish.

 

[squeak]

The wall hasn't even been built yet and some already know who didn't pay for it.

JD is just embracing his hall monitor role.

 

[davidallen]

Uh, huh?

Just talking about the wall has done exactly what you're saying the physical wall won't accomplish.

Right. Tell me again about how most illegals come to be in the US.

 

[squeak]

Right. Tell me again about how most illegals come to be in the US.

Are people no longer entering the country illegally from Mexico?

 

[ctrawick]

If President Trump’s border wall stopped just 10 percent of new illegal immigrants it would pay for itself by saving American taxpayers from spending money on services for those migrants over their lifetimes, according to a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies.

The center, which advocates for a crackdown on immigration, said illegal border crossers are a net drain of nearly $75,000 per person over their lifetimes.

What % do you think the wall would stop illegals from coming across the southern border? And I agree with you we dont need a wall across 100% of the border BTW.

 

[ctrawick]

Right. Tell me again about how most illegals come to be in the US.

Need to get something done on that front too. I bet it will be tackled though.

 

[CowboyJD]

What % do you think the wall would stop illegals from coming across the southern border? And I agree with you we dont need a wall across 100% of the border BTW.

I have no idea.

Nor do I believe anyone else really does.

 

[CowboyJD]

JD is just embracing his hall monitor role.

Expressing my opinion just like everyone else.

Not my fault some of you don't think for yourselves, just walk lockstep with the party line and don't like me pointing that out.

 

[davidallen]

Are people no longer entering the country illegally from Mexico?

Sure they are. How do they generally do it? What percentage would a wall stop?

 

[squeak]

Expressing my opinion just like everyone else.

Not my fault some of you don't think for yourselves, just walk lockstep with the party line and don't like me pointing that out.

You might rethink your approach.

 

[squeak]

Sure they are. How do they generally do it? What percentage would a wall stop?

Educate me with the results of your google search.

 

[ctrawick]

Sure they are. How do they generally do it? What percentage would a wall stop?

I will say it again, Israel and the Vatican have very good track records. Right?

 

[CowboyJD]

You might rethink your approach.

Nah....I'm good.

Don't really care what you think about my approach.

 

[squeak]

Nah....I'm good.

Don't really care what you think about my approach.

Just expressing my opinion like everyone else.

 

[Medic007]

Right. Tell me again about how most illegals come to be in the US.

The southern border had approx 409,000 caught crossing in FY 2016. That number doesn't account for those who evaded detection. Interestingly, it's reported that about 80% of those caught were released into the US instead of being immediately deported.

Different sources have different guestimates on the number that cross and evade detection. Some put the number at around 600,000 per year, others put it at more than a million.

A wall isn't a one stop solution. It is a tool for at least slowing the progress of crossing which can enhance detection opportunities.

 

[CowboyJD]

Just expressing my opinion like everyone else.

Cool beans.

Keep on keeping on, brother.

 

[Bitter Creek]

Do the guys that actually defend to border want the wall?

 

[davidallen]

Do the guys that actually defend to border want the wall?

Great question... last I heard leadership of ICE wanted perhaps 20% of the border fenced.

 

[Bitter Creek]

Great question... last I heard leadership of ICE wanted perhaps 20% of the border fenced.

I would go with their recommendation, or at least give it a lot of weight

 

[squeak]

I think drones would be as or more effective than a wall, personally.

You know what would work best? Immigration reform.

 

[Alpha Poke]

Sure they are. How do they generally do it? What percentage would a wall stop?

It's also impacted the number of people claiming benefits that are on this side.

So again, huh?