Bids Begin for Border Wall -- 30-Feet Tall
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I feel like volunteer armed militias with rubber bullets would be cheaper
Make the DoD do it, pseudo-militarize it, and use the additional funds Trump is giving to the DoD to pay for it. Trump gets his wall, party faithful get their military-industrial complex expansion, and the American People get a little more visibility into the fiscal waste of the military.
Anybody want to join me in a startup company manufacturing 31' ladders in Mexico?
A good start would be the elimination of some federal agencies. Block.remittances maybe. I don't really care.
That ain't Mexico.
The promise was Mexico.
Now all the cheerleaders "don't really care" who pays.
Not very fiscally conservative, that.
Or rowboats considering that he's simultaneously asking for significant cuts in the Coast Guard.
This is the equivalent of installing a super-duper security door on the front of your house complete with a state of the art lock system, while putting a $49 Lowe's special on the back of the house, with a $2.50 sliding bolt lock.
While also completely ignoring the fact that the largest number of "illegals" coming into the US are arriving on airplanes and simply overstaying their Visas. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424879/visa-overstays-todays-immigration-crisis-mark-krikorian
Blocking remittances wouldn't be Mexico paying.
Taxing or seizing remittances might be.....but that hasn't and ain't happening.
Also doesn't change your don't care who pays into anything but cheerleading.
And it hasn't happened yet now has it? How about you crow about the "wall" happening when Congress has actually appropriated funds for it? Because until that happens, not one dime can be spent starting construction on it.
Define what the terms would be - I would be willing to make a bet.
Let me start I put the over under of new wall construction during any Trump term at less than 300 miles - roughly half of what is already built amounting to less than half of the border between the two countries. I will take the under.
Given your handle - we can bet cash (say $20 I don't want you to have to sell the steps of your trailer to pay me) or you can wear a Wal-Mart OSU shirt to the bar for Bedlam when you lose.
He has been in office for 2 months. I am guessing NAFTA redo will be part of Mexico funding some or all of the wall. I for one dont care if they write a check or pay by other means. Heck tax the crap out of all the money being sent to Mexican families for all I care.
Of all the ridiculous shit I pay taxes for, increase my taxes short term to pay for a long term savings on paying for illegals (but they don't get any benefits!).
SoonerRedYukon101 can pave his own way here. My early days on the Ghetto were brutal. So cold. Siberia with rabid chihuahuas.
Correct and agree. Gosh, we live in such an instant world today...2 months and people are saying "...it hasn't happened yet." I never thought the Mexican government was going to write a check to: The United States of America. He did say they would pay for it...lot's of way to get them to pay for the wall without their consent. Any half way decent card player doesn't show his cards when first dealt.
I've quoted his plan for making Mexico pay from his election website here...more than once.
He actually did show his cards...explicitly....from the beginning, and essentially said Mexico would write a check for the wall. Not sure why we should have never thought Mexico wasn't going to write a check or hold him to his detailed plan.
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I never really cared about Mexico paying for it. It is our wall, to protect our borders.
Letting people in without vetting them isn't conservative, fiscally or otherwise
Who is advocating letting them in without vetting them?
I'm certainly not.
I'm just trying to hold Trump to a cornerstone of his election instead of giving him a pass.
Fair enough.
How do you vett someone that sneaks across the border?
If you hold ever elected official to every election promise, you are going to be a busy man.
Is a wall stretching the entire southern border the only or even the most fiscally conservative way to keep someone from sneaking across the border.
As for your final statement, I think it is fair to at least call out a politician for not keeping a premiere, explicit, detailed, promise that he made just about every time he opened his mouth on the campaign trail....don't you?
I mean, people didn't just shrug their shoulders and say "what are you gonna do" after "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...." did they?
How about we start with maybe half or a third of promises, focusing maybe on the big ones... how many times in the campaign did candidate Trump say "We are going to build a big beautiful wall, and Mexico is gonna pay for it..."? Probably a 1000 times. Now those mean old liberals are pointing out his inability to deliver...
How about we focus on Americans? As of today I dont give a rats ass who pays for it or how it happens as long as it happens. I will gladly send a check no matter how small it might be to help fund it. How much is that poor girls life worth that got raped by a 17 and 18 year old? How much wall is her now ruined life worth? What about the young woman who was killed in California? How much wall is her life worth?
Will a wall stop all of it? No. But a wall sure has done a pretty damn good job to protect the pope and Israel.
Will a wall stop all of it? No. But a wall sure has done a pretty damn good job to protect the pope and Israel.
We bitched a lot first. But eventually we shrugged our shoulders and then said "What are you gonna do?"
Some of you are STILL pulling out that old chestnut.....
I'd say we're more focused on the not saving $2500 per year per family, but I get your point.
When I said some of you, I didn't mean to imply or indicate you individually and particularly...just to clarify.
I saw the word "some" and I wasn't offended. My way of agreeing with the underlying point.
Thanks, though. Have a great day!
Mexico won't pay for it.....was notably left off.
The number of people coming here and positing ideas about how Mexico will "pay" for it in the end and offering up alternative definitions of "pay" indicates that "a lot" would probably be more accurately characterized as "some", IMO.
I think the wall will help significantly and the cost will be offset by the reduced cost of services to the state for those who come here and do not pay into the system.
Regarding he cornerstone promise, I do agree. I just don't intend to call him out on that one because I think it is a worthwhile endeavor regardless of who pays for it. By comparison to the ACA promise, I don't think that that broken promise was offset by a sufficient level of common good.
Fair enough.
I'm not anti-increased border security....or even anti-wall (in places it makes sense). I am anti-"Wall" as it is being used by Trump and Trumpies to mean a continuous wall across the entirety of the southern border of the US. There are a good number of areas where better electronic surveillance and beefing up of Border Patrol personnel makes more sense fiscally.
The wall hasn't even been built yet and some already know who didn't pay for it.
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