I think that's her point though. And even Beau alluded to it in his post. She/he believe there is credible evidence that was presented and goes beyond just mere verbal bullying.
I'd Carl must be pulling his hair out this offseason, but well... LOL
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I think that's her point though. And even Beau alluded to it in his post. She/he believe there is credible evidence that was presented and goes beyond just mere verbal bullying.
I'd Carl must be pulling his hair out this offseason, but well... LOL
I love how your first three thoughts are about how this is crappy of Beau and his wife and not that stealing from teammates is pretty crappy and maybe Carter just sucks as a person.
None of your thoughts are about maybe Carter may have done something? It's all about Beau and his wife?
Maybe this is why he is complaining on PSU board. Lol.
Carter does suck as a person. That's normal opinion of folks outside Happy valley.
Shocker. Penn State boy minimizes damning accusations in an effort to defend the school. Were you also rioting in 2011?
"Internet drama" .. "stirring the pot" .. "doesn't make any of it true". You guys should take a break from this crap after looking foolish trying to deny the Kyle Snyder rumors, giving excuses like 'it's just PSU haters making things up', and 'they confused a years-old news story about a different guy named Kyle Snyder'.
Stick your head in the sand if you want, but don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining.
I think that is being awfully generous. Carter sure looks like a pretty crappy person. There had been whispers and rumors of this and now we are getting first hand information of it.
None of these accusations are pretty serious tbh. Not enough to put any dent on PSU wrestling. Just crappy locker room culture is all. Cael is best at what he does.
That was wild how many said it's a different Kyle from Indiana. I know I woke up Saturday morning to a bunch of texts with screenshots of Ohio st athletes talking about it. One of the arresting officers neighbors is a wrestling person so those texts were going around. Many had the information within hours. So I was shocked how long people acted like it wasn't true
Not enough to take down the program sure, but they're alluding to assault, which is pretty serious.
It also completely undermines the story that PSU likes to tell about a wrestling room full of fun-loving, good Christian men who make each other better led by God's gift to wrestling.
What I'm hearing from Beau and his wife is that Cael and Co. stood by and effectively ignored a toxic situation to protect their star athlete.
And then there's the "even worse things" done to multiple women.
I'll probably wait and see how it plays out and not treat this like the young woman from a few months ago that had the internet on fire.
I'm not saying it is or isn't true, but a GF taking to Twitter isn't generally the best look. Who knows, maybe she's spot on.
A buddy of mine coached Carter and said he was just a knucklehead. He wondered how it would work out between him and PSU.
or it's only hearing one side of a story. You know, unsubstantiated and biased. Maybe you and others live your life based on rumor and innuendo but I don't. Maybe Beau is 100% spot on here. Maybe he's not. The truth is likely somewhere between 0 and 100. Your hate for Carter is clouding things, but wishing something true and actually being true are not the same. I'll wait for an investigation. The wife said there was one. Let's see if there is one and what the outcome is. Until then, my powder is dry.
I work in a business with 200+ unique individuals. The amount of half truths and outright falsehoods I hear on a daily basis makes my head spin. I never make decisions until I hear both sides.
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Yeah but you did make a decision. Your first three thoughts were about how terrible this was of Beau and his wife. Nothing about let's see the facts, nothing about letting it play out. Immediately to Beau and his wife are bad. Not even a whiff of maybe Carter did some things that aren't great.
You are doing exactly what you are scolding us non-PSU homers of doing. You made a bunch of assumptions about someone without knowing the truth.
I don't know what happened but I've never heard anything but praise about the type of person Beau is. I have a hard time understanding why someone like Beau and his wife would be so public about something that didn't happen.
Lol your powder isn't dry. You used your powder to say:
"Since all this is after the fact, some of it comes across as malicious, which goes to forethought toward libel."
"she is hurting Beau's career."
"maybe Beau was too sensitive to be in a men's locker room atmosphere"
"Continuing to stir the pot starts to look like a vendetta rather than sincerity."
My thoughts in that post were not accusatory. I simply pointed out that her language is libelous IF NOT TRUE. Again, that is me taking a neutral stance. As I said, she better have the goods. If so, great. I'm not invested in Carter but he has rights until he doesn't have rights. Same as you and me.
Two, it is a bad look for Beau and employment. As an employer, I love to see families stand by my employees, but there is that fine line. Unless the incident is criminal, and I don't know the truth of it, it's better to move on and leave things unsaid. The Golden Rule. If you don't have anything nice to say ...
Beau is a good guy. I know nothing about his wife. I would tend to agree with you on your last point BUT I've seen enough personality conflicts get out of control that one never can say never. Not getting political, but look at Trump and Musk. It went from blood brothers to Jeffrey Epstein in a nanosecond, and it ended up being over the NASA pick being withdrawn (again supposedly). That's what I'm talking about. Crazy stuff said in the heat of the moment. May be true. May not be true. Likely in the middle.
I don't think I'm being controversial here.
All true statements while keeping the powder dry. Saying stuff after your tail lights are over the crest of the hill is a bad look. You denying the look of that doesn't make it not true.
You're not the arbiter of what is and isn't a good look. You stating it's a bad look doesn't make it true. That's just like your opinion man. You calling your opinions "true statements" is quite revealing.
I don't think it's a bad look for Beau at all. I think it makes a lot of sense that he went about it the way he did based on what he said.
He tried to go through proper channels quietly and nothing was done. Even now he says he doesn't feel safe telling the full story. If you read anything about victims of assault, you'll know that's an extremely common sentiment.
Oh, so now he is a victim of assault. Got it.
I'll bow out of the discussion at this point.
According to the Mrs. Bartlett, he is one of several teammates who were "violated" and according to Beau, even worse things were done to a number of women. To me that sounds like assault, but I certainly don't know.
Maybe it's hyperbole and the actual truth is he was merely teased for his mismatched shoes and he couldn't take it any more.
It's just interesting that all your assumptions and opinions (or what you call "true statements") are in opposition to the guy who appears to be universally liked by all who meet him, and you have no judgments whatsoever for the guy who has a pattern of aggression, hateful and nasty callouts, and unsportsmanlike conduct.
I'm sure it's a coincidence that your judgment is against the guy who never achieved champion status and is leaving the institution, while the guy you have no critical opinion of is the most decorated PSU wrestler in history and is remaining at NLWC.
This is fair to wait and see how it plays out. Some certainly have already made up their minds and assume the worst which is to be expected with rival fan bases. The claim that the situation wasn't addressed despite evidence is definitely concerning. More details are needed to base an informed opinion.
85, you dying on the Carter Starocci hill was not on my bingo card.
Haha, I thought the same thing. But, I know 85 is a good dude and it’s not got too far out of hand.
Just wish everyone would stay consistent. Can't jump on others if you truly believe in innocent until proven guilty. People want to pick and choose depending on fandom
I dislike Carter Starocci as much as the next Cowboy, but I don't disagree with any of these thoughts. There isn't much you could tell me about Starocci that I would have a hard time believing, but these vague drive-by attacks on his way out the door don't exactly ooze credibility.
What Bartlett said could be anything from towel-snapping to something that carries a life sentence. We have no idea because he and his wife have been so vague about what happened. I am of the mind that if you won't accurately describe what happened, you should just keep your mouth shut.
We don't know how serious the accusations are because they are so vague. I agree with your point though. Very tough position for Cael and one that DT will likely face too. Every great coach will face the same situation if he coaches long enough. Is the juice worth the squeeze on the toxic superstar? These are often close calls, and it can take years before we know whether the coach got it right or wrong.
I disagree with this. One of the biggest motivators for victims coming forward is the hope that by speaking up, it might prevent the next person from harm.
Let's assume for a second that Beau is speaking the truth and that it's about something egregious.
The mere fact that this spotlight has been shone on Carter will make him think twice before he does it again. It will also make the people around him aware of the behavior and make them be on alert.
It's also likely that this will force an internal conversation among the coaching staff and administration. There will be external pressure on them to get to the bottom of this, whereas before it was all hush-hush.
I don't think your overarching point is unreasonable. However, if it was something egregious, I would hope a man would have the courage to come forward in a way that can be taken seriously. Having your wife lob vague accusations on social media ain't that.
There’s some of that.
This is an OSU board, of course we want to see a train wreck in State College.
It’s also easy to step back and say Bartlett should shit or get off the pot. Was it bad or was it not? It’s pretty obvious Cstar is an egomaniac. Is it worse than that? Call it out or move on.
Rumor he is CS violated BB by discovering Mrs BB only fans page and then harassing BB about it daily and showing the whole team…could always be more to the story but that’s what I heard is the main beef ..as far as the thief accusations I have no idea , if CS stole a wallet or iPad yea he should face discipline and the law but if he was taking BBs shoes or stuff like that just to be a prick i don’t think it amounts to a scandal
Pics or I don’t believe you.
1) Carter might likely be considered a public figure which heightens the requirement for defamation
2) As far as I have seen she has just said he’s being INVESTIGATED for Theft and vague accusations about other issues… doubt very seriously any defamation case would lie at this point even if theft accusation is not true.
With Cstars Ferrari-type ego, I bet he’s the one with the OF page.
I have a sibling at PSU , she has no connection to the wrestling team but this is what she’s been hearing around campus so take it as you will, a lot of speculating going on just thought I share what those in the immediate vicinity of the drama are saying
No offense to you or your sister but that definitely sounds like a college campus rumor lol
