America’s cultural decline in a single chart

[NZ Poke]

Look closely at the trends starting in the mid 1960’s...

A few thoughts:


1. Literally every challenge facing this country can be tied to this chart.


2. The best Bernie Sanders-style government social programs, with unlimited funding, COMBINED WITH the best after-school daycare programs, can’t overcome this challenge — children’s adult outcomes are exponentially better when they’re raised by two parents (the data on this is overwhelming).


3. LBJ’s “War on Poverty” began in in 1964 — notice what happened in the chart above in 1964, especially with blacks.


If you haven’t spent much time researching the “War on Poverty,” or LBJ, you must...

 

[07pilt]

Weird that NZpoke has gone from Richard Spencer to Ross douthat

 

[Medic007]

Weird that NZpoke has gone from Richard Spencer to Ross douthat

Surely that was typed in blue font.

 

[07pilt]

Surely that was typed in blue font.

No sincere. This doesn't seem douthatty to you?

 

[NZ Poke]

I’ve never watched a single Richard Spencer video, speech, or followed any of his social media.

I did find it extremely odd that my local 530pm news carried a story about a Richard Spencer speech on a college campus in another state 2000 miles away — how the f*ck was this relevant to *local* news? What was the thought process behind airing that particular story to the 530 news demographic?

Seemed pretty Psyops to me, which “Richard Spencer” probably is (no idea about him and don’t care)....but I digress. Let’s get back to the original post.

Fascinating subject and charts.....

 

[CBradSmith]

If these charts are accurate, then this is very interesting info.

I'd love to know how to help the situation.

 

[NZ Poke]

If these charts are accurate, then this is very interesting info.

I'd love to know how to help the situation.

They’re accurate.

Sources in bottom of each chart!

 

[NZ Poke]

The guy on the left might have transformed America more than any elected leader in history.

 

[CowboyJD]

The guy on the left might have transformed America more than any elected leader in history.

One of the few things you have said here that I agree with 100%.

He is directly responsible for almost everything that is wrong with modern political movements.

He was also a brilliant political tactician with a keen insight on human motivations and convincing people to act in a manner not in line with their own self interests. LBJ is fascinating to me, but I don’t care much for him as a human being.

 

[SMemmett]

.l


Seemed pretty Psyops to me, which “Richard Spencer” probably is (no idea about him and don’t care)....but I digress. Let’s get back to the original post.

Fascinating subject and charts.....

Hilarious. @NZ Poke trying to keep the topic on subject.

 

[NZ Poke]

Hilarious. @NZ Poke trying to keep the topic on subject.

I can hold my own with the best of them on single subjects, for hours and hours, with no cut and pastes.

=)

 

[xplor58]

In a way you could say that LBJ figured out how to make the very poor slaves to the government.

He did it on purpose so he could lock them in as voters for the Democrat party. Somewhere there is quote pertaining to that.

Certainly the way welfare was and continues to be implemented is not marriage friendly at all as you get more money is you are not married. Completely opposite what it should be if you cared about families.

 

[imprimis]

One of the few things you have said here that I agree with 100%.

He is directly responsible for almost everything that is wrong with modern political movements.

He was also a brilliant political tactician with a keen insight on human motivations and convincing people to act in a manner not in line with their own self interests. LBJ is fascinating to me, but I don’t care much for him as a human being.

I met LBJ when I was an 8 year old. Don't remember much about him as it was in my Great Uncle's office. I was more impressed being in my Uncle's presence based on the stories and tales my Grandfather had told us about the shenanigans they did throughout their lives...stuff which would get most of us thrown in jail today.

 

[CBradSmith]

I met LBJ when I was an 8 year old. Don't remember much about him as it was in my Great Uncle's office. I was more impressed being in my Uncle's presence based on the stories and tales my Grandfather had told us about the shenanigans they did throughout their lives...stuff which would get most of us thrown in jail today.

Go on...

 

[07pilt]

Man LBJ sure did ruin society and the family by... *checks notes* giving people medicaid.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Man LBJ sure did ruin society and the family by... *checks notes* giving people medicaid.

Not on your game today

 

[07pilt]

Not on your game today

Its Friday.

 

[NZ Poke]

 

[07pilt]

1964 isn't really a key point on that graph.

Other things that happened in 1964
Beatlemania
24th amendment is ratified
Ford Mustang introduced
Vietnam War intensifies
95 military bases are closed

What exactly do you think it was about the war on poverty that caused an increase in unwed births?

 

[HighStickHarry]

Its Friday.

Step it up,you only have until sundown to redeem yourself.

 

[CowboyJD]

Man LBJ sure did ruin society and the family by... *checks notes* giving people medicaid.

To clarify, my particular statement about convincing people to act contrary to their own self interests wasn’t directed to his War on Poverty. Mine was directed to his management and gaining almost complete control of the Senate. I am right in the middle of “Master of the Senate” right now. I’m amazed how he took a traditionally completely powerless position (Majority Leader), convinced the Dixiecrats AND the liberal branch of Dems to give him near complete power.

 

[Medic007]

No sincere. This doesn't seem douthatty to you?

That's not what I meant. You posted you thought it was weird that NZ went from Spencer to Douthat. I wouldn't be surprised if he liked them both for obvious reasons.

 

[imprimis]

Go on...

About what? LBJ or the shenanigans?

 

[07pilt]

To clarify, my particular statement about convincing people to act contrary to their own self interests wasn’t directed to his War on Poverty. Mine was directed to his management and gaining almost complete control of the Senate. I am right in the middle of “Master of the Senate” right now. I’m amazed how he took a traditionally completely powerless position (Majority Leader), convinced the Dixiecrats AND the liberal branch of Dems to give him near complete power.

The vote counts by party in the house vs the senate for measures he pushed through are pretty astonishing.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Man LBJ sure did ruin society and the family by... *checks notes* giving people medicaid.

He ruined society by prosecuting an illegally contrived war that killed tens of thousands of young American lives, injured the minds and bodies of countless thousands of others (including my own), causing a rift between generations (don’t trust anyone over 30), destroying what faint hopes this country ever had for amicable race relations, creating a welfare state that has ruined the black family, was responsible for riots that destroyed cities, creating the impetus that has led to the irredeemable polarization of the political divide. The man was a monster. Maybe you weren’t around back then. You had to live through it to understand how horrible he was.

 

[07pilt]

He ruined society by prosecuting an illegally contrived war that killed tens of thousands of young American lives, injured the minds and bodies of countless thousands of others (including my own), causing a rift between generations (don’t trust anyone over 30),

Agreed, Vietnam was really really bad.

destroying what faint hopes this country ever had for amicable race relations,

In a dark turn of events, Ponca Dan is against the Civil Rights Act?

creating a welfare state that has ruined the black family,

You are going to have to be more specific. The war on poverty had 4 main initiatives none of which incentivized single motherhood.

was responsible for riots that destroyed cities,

Also gonna need some specificity here.

 

[07pilt]

That's not what I meant. You posted you thought it was weird that NZ went from Spencer to Douthat. I wouldn't be surprised if he liked them both for obvious reasons.

Spencer and Douthat, at least to me, are on opposite ends of the right wing spectrum. Any crossover appeal they have is interesting to me.

 

[jkosu]

The guy on the left might have transformed America more than any elected leader in history.

"Soon."

 

[Ponca Dan]

Agreed, Vietnam was really really bad.


In a dark turn of events, Ponca Dan is against the Civil Rights Act?


You are going to have to be more specific. The war on poverty had 4 main initiatives none of which incentivized single motherhood.


Also gonna need some specificity here.

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/09/17/the-welfare-states-legacy

 

[07pilt]

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/09/17/the-welfare-states-legacy

Ponca Dan, none of that relates to the welfare state, let alone the LBJ's war on poverty.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Ponca Dan, none of that relates to the welfare state, let alone the LBJ's war on poverty.

Doesn’t relate to the welfare state?! Did you even read it? It’s an analysis of the legacy of the welfare state, for crying out loud! LBJ’s War On Poverty is what got the ball rolling. They are all interconnected. Surely you understand that.

 

[07pilt]

Doesn’t relate to the welfare state?! Did you even read it? It’s an analysis of the legacy of the welfare state, for crying out loud! LBJ’s War On Poverty is what got the ball rolling. They are all interconnected. Surely you understand that.

Yes I read it and it was missing any specifics. It mainly bemoaned the state of blacks in America without linking it in anyway to any government program.

 

[JimmyBob]

He ruined society by prosecuting an illegally contrived war that killed tens of thousands of young American lives, injured the minds and bodies of countless thousands of others (including my own), causing a rift between generations (don’t trust anyone over 30), destroying what faint hopes this country ever had for amicable race relations, creating a welfare state that has ruined the black family, was responsible for riots that destroyed cities, creating the impetus that has led to the irredeemable polarization of the political divide. The man was a monster. Maybe you weren’t around back then. You had to live through it to understand how horrible he was.

The sorriest dog-ball licking, douche-nozzle sucking, LYING piece of dog shit that ever infested the WH. What that sorry bastard did to America's youth and this country; there is no place in HELL to low for that bastard. Sadly, it all goes back to box 13, Duval County; the miraculous ballot box he won by 200-2, courtesy of the "duke" of Duval, that elected him to the senate in '48.

 

[osuengineer]

Edit: Rookie at posting images...
Chart of religiosity versus decade

My chart is maybe more anecdotal than strictly measurable (though the conductors of the study think it’s measurable) but the overall trend should be undeniable. And relates most (all?) of society’s ills.

I’m not talking about fake Christian-ism. I’m talking genuine faith in that results in a loving and life-changing action. THAT changes society.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Edit: Rookie at posting images...
Chart of religiosity versus decade

My chart is maybe more anecdotal than strictly measurable (though the conductors of the study think it’s measurable) but the overall trend should be undeniable. And relates most (all?) of society’s ills.

I’m not talking about fake Christian-ism. I’m talking genuine faith in that results in a loving and life-changing action. THAT changes society.

I’ve seen individual examples of what you’re talking about. Spectacular examples.

Just not sure how you can distinguish between “fake Christian-ism” and the real thing across society. How would we validate real Christian-ism so as to cast aside the fakes in order to construct an accurate graph?

Not necessarily throwing rocks at your overall premise, just don’t know how we would measure it.

 

[windriverrange]

He knew exactly what he was doing.....and succeeded beyond probably his own wildest imagination.

Little known is that when the French were surrounded at Dien Bien Phu, in 1954, and begging for US bombing assistance (“Hell In A Very Small Place” is the best book I’ve read on this) even a small nuke. It was LBJ that talked Eisenhower and others out of it. Can’t remember the exact quote, but was something like “wrong place, wrong time and wrong enemy.....”

He turns around less than 10 years later, as president, and decides it was the right place, time and enemy. The core of the 3 (might have been 4) Vietminh division surrounding the French were exactly who our soldiers would face later. LBJ along with his neo-dems commitment the US to an un-winnable war as president, that he thought was wrong as SML.

He is in the bowls of hell for that and his policies that have made generational poverty a landmark accomplishment for HIS party.

 

[AC_Exotic]

Edit: Rookie at posting images...
Chart of religiosity versus decade

My chart is maybe more anecdotal than strictly measurable (though the conductors of the study think it’s measurable) but the overall trend should be undeniable. And relates most (all?) of society’s ills.

I’m not talking about fake Christian-ism. I’m talking genuine faith in that results in a loving and life-changing action. THAT changes society.

What has happened has been the downsizing of nominal Christianity. They're just being honest now and say they're unaffiliated.

LBJ created a dependent class that rewards a single parent home more benefits from the government, hence the breakup of the family.

 

[hollywood]

Hey, you know we've got this thing called "birth control" (in the form of pills, patches, Larc's, etc.) which have proven incredibly effective in reducing both unwanted pregnancies AND abortions. When state's make them available for free, it often produces great results.* Yet it always seem the states which oppose providing those things, are almost always conservative/Republican in nature.

*Colorado is a great example of the value of these programs. They provided those services/items for free in a number of public health clinics in the state. The results? A 50% drop in teen pregnancies and a 64% drop in teen abortions. The state also estimated it saved at least $65 Million in direct costs, including those costs that would have otherwise been generated by paying for food stamps and other aid to new teen moms. (There's also secondary benefits to the program such as an increase in high school graduation rates for example.) Likewise, California passed a law around 2010 which provided free birth control to women and unwanted pregnancy rates dropped by 30% and abortions dropped by 46%.

But yet, there's been a very persistent and sold push-back on this program by conservatives/republicans in Colorado. So, if you want to address the issue of teen pregnancies, let's look at all the facts and circumstances. And for good measure, let's look at the teen pregnancy rates of those states which will only allow for "abstinence only" type educational programs, to those that have a more rounded approach. So, there's a very common sense and practical approach to dealing with this issue and yet, it seems like those on the conservative side of the aisle seem to fight it every step of the way.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...on-is-ineffective-and-unethical-report-argues

 

[wyomingosualum]

Hey, you know we've got this thing called "birth control" (in the form of pills, patches, Larc's, etc.) which have proven incredibly effective in reducing both unwanted pregnancies AND abortions. When state's make them available for free, it often produces great results.* Yet it always seem the states which oppose providing those things, are almost always conservative/Republican in nature.

*Colorado is a great example of the value of these programs. They provided those services/items for free in a number of public health clinics in the state. The results? A 50% drop in teen pregnancies and a 64% drop in teen abortions. The state also estimated it saved at least $65 Million in direct costs, including those costs that would have otherwise been generated by paying for food stamps and other aid to new teen moms. (There's also secondary benefits to the program such as an increase in high school graduation rates for example.) Likewise, California passed a law around 2010 which provided free birth control to women and unwanted pregnancy rates dropped by 30% and abortions dropped by 46%.

But yet, there's been a very persistent and sold push-back on this program by conservatives/republicans in Colorado. So, if you want to address the issue of teen pregnancies, let's look at all the facts and circumstances. And for good measure, let's look at the teen pregnancy rates of those states which will only allow for "abstinence only" type educational programs, to those that have a more rounded approach. So, there's a very common sense and practical approach to dealing with this issue and yet, it seems like those on the conservative side of the aisle seem to fight it every step of the way.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...on-is-ineffective-and-unethical-report-argues

Lack of personal responsibility and simply letting others clean up my mistakes are lessons that I wish I had learned much earlier in life. I’m teaching my kids right now the concept of decisions not having consequences and they LOVE it. And it’s a super easy parenting style. Win/win.

 

[hollywood]

Lack of personal responsibility and simply letting others clean up my mistakes are lessons that I wish I had learned much earlier in life. I’m teaching my kids right now the concept of decisions not having consequences and they LOVE it. And it’s a super easy parenting style. Win/win.

So, is your point that using birth control = lack of personal responsibility? Does using birth control typically lead to someone else "cleaning" up a person's mistakes?

I'm a little confused by your response. In fact, it makes about as much sense as one of Bristol Palin's "abstinence" speeches.