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Alt-right being hijacked?

The Corporate media and Democrat Party have an existential interest in attempting to discredit and malign the alt-right media ( If that's what you want to call it).
 
I've never heard of that guy until he got banned from twitter and was referred to as a white nationalist.

Another guy Jared Wyand went crazy last night with a bunch of anti Semitic stuff and did not get banned.

Weird.
 
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Been catching up with this on twitter. Looks to me like the fringe racists within the alt right are separating themselves from the broader movement. Good riddance.
That won't leave much. I guess you and Pepe can start meeting on weekends...
 
Been catching up with this on twitter. Looks to me like the fringe racists within the alt right are separating themselves from the broader movement. Good riddance.

I think it's more. I think he's bought and paid for and held the press conference with the promise of throwing up the seig heil to Trump so the media can use it to push the false narrative and alarmism for further destabilization. They failed with branding the alt-right as all 1488'ers so now they are going to manufacture their "proof." Fake media gonna fake
 
What is the Alt-Right if not anime nazis?

I think the majority are natural conservatives. They may want to consider running the other way now though. The stunt with Spencer is not going to go well when the documentary is released.
 
I think the majority are natural conservatives. They may want to consider running the other way now though. The stunt with Spencer is not going to go well when the documentary is released.
So just Tea Party wih PePe?
 
Whatever you want it to be to confirm your bias champ.
I am being serious as I possibly can with this topic. Is it just a rebranding of the Tea Party or is it something completely different? Did the alt-right start as a bunch of anime nazis and expand to more conventional conservatives? Was the alt-right just another name for MAGA hat wearers and the nazis are trying to coopt it? I take it you are as close to an expert as I'll find.
 
I've been working to fully understand it myself and I've concluded that too an extent the more I learn the less I know. But I'll do my best

Is it just a rebranding of the Tea Party or is it something completely different?

Likely only the most politically astute and fringe right of that group. I don't think the common tea partier would even know the term "alt-right" if not for Hillary. Tea Partiers are likely the MAGA hat wearers you mention below with no "alt-right" connection.

Did the alt-right start as a bunch of anime nazis and expand to more conventional conservatives?

I don't think most are Nazi's although there are undoubtedly some involved, just as there are Marxist/Lenninists on the extreme left.

Mostly, I think this is a group of millenials from 4chan (use of pepe is an indicator) that like to say all the wrong things and break all the rules in order to offend because they get a kick out it. It really is for their own entertainment. The amazing thing is how effective they were in attacking Hillary. Meme magic is real.

Was the alt-right just another name for MAGA hat wearers and the nazis are trying to coopt it?

No, I don't think so.

In a way I think the alt-right is largely a response to the social justice warrior movement and people wanting to look up the reality of what they see in daily life vs that which is being preached to them every day by the MSM. BLM, white guilt, white privilege, LGBTQ discrimination, male privilege, race and gender as a social construct, etc. etc. etc.

What they found were certain intellectuals that have been blacklisted for non-conformity presenting science, studies, facts, etc. showing that race and gender are a biological fact, men and women have different strengths and weaknesses as do races due to evolution (which most don't view as creating superiority for any one race), comparisons of the national crime victimization survey and prior conviction rates in the participation of crime and sentencing, etc. Any debate regarding the above aside, this will almost undoubtedly always result in extreme fringe movements like stormfronters, 1488er's etc. wanting on board.

After Hillary went on the attack regarding the "alt-right" it was the first time many people had heard of this "movement." This is where I think the "natural conservatives" came in to play in big numbers. Yes, they are mostly "rural," working class, low wage, whites that are sick and tired of the media telling them they are dumb, don't know what's best for them, instinctively racist, should be ashamed of being white, have no culture to be proud of because, well, as white's they don't have a culture, that they have white privilege even though most squeak by hand to mouth on a monthly basis, blah blah blah. I firmly believe many of these people probably even voted for Obama at least once if not twice.

All that rambling and creation of run-on sentences aside. I could be completely off base in all of this. In fact, I may change my mind by the end of the day due to some new revelation or piece of information being presented.

Oh, and many of the alternative media that are being labeled "alt-right" like Stefan Molyneux, Gavin McInnes, Mike Cernovich, Paul Joseph Watson, Milo Yianoppolus are not alt-right and have said they are not from the beginning.

You labeled me as such and it's not true btw. I'm not alt-right. At one point I thought perhaps I was. Not any more.
 
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To clarify, it started out as a younger generation of reactionaries against campus activist style PC culture, which lead some to become race science enthusiasts and the nazis just kind of glommed on to it since they also like race science?

I wouldn't worry too much about who gets labeled as alt right since doesn't seem to have any actual firm meaning. If anything you and the guys you listed above associated with the alt right should claim the term and seek to define it, because that association is going to exist no matter what and I am sure you/they would rather that association not be with a movement co-opted by nazis.
Meme magic is real.
You guys have to stop it with the meme magic. It pisses us off so much. You triggered HRC into the deplorables comment and won the election.
Also I beg that you stop saying your name is Trump at starbucks. We just lost the election and the last thing we need is to hear that name in starbucks. I saw a woman cry the other day.
 
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You guys have to stop it with the meme magic. It pisses us off so much. You triggered HRC into the deplorables comment and won the election.
Also I beg that you stop saying your name is Trump at starbucks. We just lost the election and the last thing we need is to hear that name in starbucks. I saw a woman cry the other day.

You can be facetious about it all you want but it does in fact trigger the snowflakes. And Hillary has a history of being triggered so...............

I'm just sitting back and enjoying the show.
 
"Alt-right" is a liberal invented word to try to lump together a group of people that they can't accurately describe with their traditional labels of conservative and Republican. The liberal establishment knows something is different from the enemy of the past. I'll give them credit for recognizing that. However, they've gone full retard trying to brand these people as every offensive label they can think of because they still have no basic understanding and don't know what else to do. Even the fringe from the right don't get it.

You can see the strain in syskatine's posting when he tries the usual "you conservatives" lines and we agree with him. That isn't something that the establishment has ever had to deal with on either side.

So who are these people? They are people from different idealogical backgrounds who have broken with the establishment from both sides because they are tired of the status quo and want a functional government to actually serve the people.

That's my simple take from my own views and those I know that are in the same frame of mind.
 
"Alt-right" is a liberal invented word to try to lump together a group of people that they can't accurately describe with their traditional labels of conservative and Republican. The liberal establishment knows something is different from the enemy of the past. I'll give them credit for recognizing that. However, they've gone full retard trying to brand these people as every offensive label they can think of because they still have no basic understanding and don't know what else to do. Even the fringe from the right don't get it.

You can see the strain in syskatine's posting when he tries the usual "you conservatives" lines and we agree with him. That isn't something that the establishment has ever had to deal with on either side.

So who are these people? They are people from different idealogical backgrounds who have broken with the establishment from both sides because they are tired of the status quo and want a functional government to actually serve the people.

That's my simple take from my own views and those I know that are in the same frame of mind.

I think the strain you detect isn't necessarily that "they" don't know what to do in as much as they arrive of the recognition that there isn't anything they CAN do. The cat is out of the bag. The public has seen being the curtain.

Alt right, in the reality that most people interact with it, should really be termed Alt Media.

While one may think Alt right is right leaning people, generally speaking, and they'd be accurate that a good chunk of people are of the libertarian (not right) and conservative persuasion, the reality is that this is an instinctive pushback, based largely in common sense, to blatant liberal-Progressive over-reach in forcing down the previously mentioned differentiators (from this thread) that are frequently painfully dearth of explanatory power but are used to categorize and, therefore, attack segments of the population.

I hate to pull in the term, but it's been the building of a framework for Alinsky segmentation to "radicalize your opponent." How much was pushed politically and how much was organic due to the environment of the last 8 years, I don't know.

Anyways, that's overplayed. Even neutral people wish to pushback. And most people sensed (and now know) that the vessels designed to generically keep us informed and connected, have been piping in a skewed version of reality.

Alt Media will go on...because there's a huge market for it, left, right, and center.
 
I've been working to fully understand it myself and I've concluded that too an extent the more I learn the less I know. But I'll do my best



Likely only the most politically astute and fringe right of that group. I don't think the common tea partier would even know the term "alt-right" if not for Hillary. Tea Partiers are likely the MAGA hat wearers you mention below with no "alt-right" connection.



I don't think most are Nazi's although there are undoubtedly some involved, just as there are Marxist/Lenninists on the extreme left.

Mostly, I think this is a group of millenials from 4chan (use of pepe is an indicator) that like to say all the wrong things and break all the rules in order to offend because they get a kick out it. It really is for their own entertainment. The amazing thing is how effective they were in attacking Hillary. Meme magic is real.



No, I don't think so.

In a way I think the alt-right is largely a response to the social justice warrior movement and people wanting to look up the reality of what they see in daily life vs that which is being preached to them every day by the MSM. BLM, white guilt, white privilege, LGBTQ discrimination, male privilege, race and gender as a social construct, etc. etc. etc.

What they found were certain intellectuals that have been blacklisted for non-conformity presenting science, studies, facts, etc. showing that race and gender are a biological fact, men and women have different strengths and weaknesses as do races due to evolution (which most don't view as creating superiority for any one race), comparisons of the national crime victimization survey and prior conviction rates in the participation of crime and sentencing, etc. Any debate regarding the above aside, this will almost undoubtedly always result in extreme fringe movements like stormfronters, 1488er's etc. wanting on board.

After Hillary went on the attack regarding the "alt-right" it was the first time many people had heard of this "movement." This is where I think the "natural conservatives" came in to play in big numbers. Yes, they are mostly "rural," working class, low wage, whites that are sick and tired of the media telling them they are dumb, don't know what's best for them, instinctively racist, should be ashamed of being white, have no culture to be proud of because, well, as white's they don't have a culture, that they have white privilege even though most squeak by hand to mouth on a monthly basis, blah blah blah. I firmly believe many of these people probably even voted for Obama at least once if not twice.

All that rambling and creation of run-on sentences aside. I could be completely off base in all of this. In fact, I may change my mind by the end of the day due to some new revelation or piece of information being presented.

Oh, and many of the alternative media that are being labeled "alt-right" like Stefan Molyneux, Gavin McInnes, Mike Cernovich, Paul Joseph Watson, Milo Yianoppolus are not alt-right and have said they are not from the beginning.

You labeled me as such and it's not true btw. I'm not alt-right. At one point I thought perhaps I was. Not any more.
You honestly think the 200-300 people spouting Nazi bullshit in Trump's name in a building not far from the White House were a bunch of Redditors just looking to stir stuff up?
 
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You honestly think the 200-300 people spouting Nazi bullshit in Trump's name in a building not far from the White House were a bunch of Redditors just looking to stir stuff up?

It was Spencer putting on a dog an pony show to give the media what they wanted. He's taking the attention and being a moron.
 
It was Spencer putting on a dog an pony show to give the media what they wanted. He's taking the attention and being a moron.

Add he is pretty damned radical. When asked if minorities had a place in "his white America" he said "no, not really." Sad that a lot of good people are being lumped in with that crowd.
 
Damn. My entry was littered with typos. phone typing...


I am being serious as I possibly can with this topic. Is it just a rebranding of the Tea Party or is it something completely different? Did the alt-right start as a bunch of anime nazis and expand to more conventional conservatives? Was the alt-right just another name for MAGA hat wearers and the nazis are trying to coopt it? I take it you are as close to an expert as I'll find.

BTW, weird wording and framing.

You seem sincere.
 
This is why a labeling the entire movement white supremacist is dumb. Vox Day is Hispanic and native American as well.

Edit: probably should have read before replying but I think the point stands.
"soon after his article was published, his alt-right brethren swooped into the comments section with a barrage of truly nasty sentiments. One congratulatory commenter and fellow proud alt-right member “creatively” told Seidel, “Since you’re versed in the alt-right I assume you’re going to put yourself in the oven?” while another let him know that “this time the Shoah will be real”—because, you see, the holocaust didn’t actually occur the first time. “Alt-right is explicitly white and jews are NOT white. You´re not welcome,” one of Seidel’s brothers-in-arms informed him, while another of his fellow honorable revolutionaries—this one helms a website with the charming title The Daily Shoah—blessed him with the knowledge that, “You are not part of the Alt-Right. You are not wanted. You are not welcome. If you’d like to help the Alt-Right, live out your days in Israel, convince as many of your people to go with you, and stay out of The West’s affairs.” There were many hundreds of these before Forward shut down the comments section."

Really shouldn't let these guys take the mantle of alt-right.
 
"soon after his article was published, his alt-right brethren swooped into the comments section with a barrage of truly nasty sentiments. One congratulatory commenter and fellow proud alt-right member “creatively” told Seidel, “Since you’re versed in the alt-right I assume you’re going to put yourself in the oven?” while another let him know that “this time the Shoah will be real”—because, you see, the holocaust didn’t actually occur the first time. “Alt-right is explicitly white and jews are NOT white. You´re not welcome,” one of Seidel’s brothers-in-arms informed him, while another of his fellow honorable revolutionaries—this one helms a website with the charming title The Daily Shoah—blessed him with the knowledge that, “You are not part of the Alt-Right. You are not wanted. You are not welcome. If you’d like to help the Alt-Right, live out your days in Israel, convince as many of your people to go with you, and stay out of The West’s affairs.” There were many hundreds of these before Forward shut down the comments section."

Really shouldn't let these guys take the mantle of alt-right.

The extremes tend to be the most vocal and nasty.

You don't like Keith Ellison?

Naw, not a fan of the muslim brotherhood or it's supporters.
 
What's missing, I think, in all this what is or isn't alt-right is what is or isn't the average conservative and what is or isn't the average liberal. More importantly, who has moved further to the right/left in recent years? Interworks pulled together data on Americans all the way back to the 60s that measured where, on a continuum, liberals and conservatives stood in relation to each other and in relation to what is considered moderate. What is interesting is how far the left the liberals moved while conservatives moved only slightly right.
 

Perfectly said. There is not a populist movement toward becoming racists and nazis - this is idiotic on the face of it. There is a populist movement toward replacing the globalist neocons in the baby boomer GOP with a stripped down, socially neutral but politically incorrect and economically focused new right - rooted in the Constitution and bypassing the mainstream media filters.

That's where I am anyway, and THAT group did have a huge impact on this election for sure. I'm perfectly happy for guys like @07pilt to pretend not to get it, and guys like @syskatine to actually not get it. The GOP establishment made that mistake and then the DNC establishment and MSM made that mistake too.

The new right has a significant libertarian flavor, and is unabashedly nationalistic. But it ain't racist.
 
Perfectly said. There is not a populist movement toward becoming racists and nazis - this is idiotic on the face of it. There is a populist movement toward replacing the globalist neocons in the baby boomer GOP with a stripped down, socially neutral but politically incorrect and economically focused new right - rooted in the Constitution and bypassing the mainstream media filters.

That's where I am anyway, and THAT group did have a huge impact on this election for sure. I'm perfectly happy for guys like @07pilt to pretend not to get it, and guys like @syskatine to actually not get it. The GOP establishment made that mistake and then the DNC establishment and MSM made that mistake too.

The new right has a significant libertarian flavor, and is unabashedly nationalistic. But it ain't racist.

The Republican Party allowed the libertarian movement in and we are taking over and spreading influence. I went to a home group from a local church that is large and very bible based last week. Salt of the earth people with sound doctrine, and not a ONE of them is against marijuana legalization, not one!! Even my parents agree, "why should the government make a plant illegal?"

The only social issue that I get passionate about is abortion because it is denying a US citizen his or her constitutional rights and allowing the "rights" of the mother to infringe on the rights of another.

Any yes a "fetus" is a citizen. It's why when you kill a pregnant woman you are charged with double homicide!!

As for the racism charge it is the standard line thrown out there along with sexist, bigot, xenophobia, or any other phobia when the left refuses to debate.

It doesn't work anymore!!
 
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