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All The Rage. - prophetic

Depends on the definition of what constitutes life and what does not. The definition can vary depending on what argument one is trying to make. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that it is not a given that your statement is accurate.

You are right on the depending on what argument one is trying to make. For example in our court system, if a pregnant women is murdered or killed in an accident, the courts allow the perpetrator to be charged with the taking of two lives, not just that of the mother. When it comes to abortion only the mothers concerns are considered. Seems conflicting to me.
 
Here's what makes no sense. A woman can walk into an abortion clinic and have the fetus in her womb legally killed up to a certain time of development. The same woman walking up the steps of an abortion clinic to have her fetus legally killed can be shot, stabbed, strangled or something else which results in the death of the fetus and the assailant can be charged with murder in 38 states and in all 50 states if there are federal jurisdiction aspects. The fetus is still dead but one cause of death is legal and the other illegal.

I never knew that. Had to look it up to verify. Agree with you. Makes no sense (one of many examples of laws that don't make a lot of sense).
 
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Yep. I have never figured out how it suddenly goes from non-human to human in the magic birth canal.
Doesn't have to be in the birth canal. Just going from the 21st to the 22nd week is all that's required.

Even in the birth canal or rather the opening of the vagina sufficiently exposed enough to get some scissors deep into the back of the head doesn't qualify as human at the 40th week.
 
You are right on the depending on what argument one is trying to make. For example in our court system, if a pregnant women is murdered or killed in an accident, the courts allow the perpetrator to be charged with the taking of two lives, not just that of the mother. When it comes to abortion only the mothers concerns are considered. Seems conflicting to me.

In Oklahoma, the death of the fetus statute applies only when the fetus has reached the "quick" stage. I state that only for means of clarification and accuracy. Not all deaths of all pregnant women results in application of that law. For further efforts at clarification and accuracy, I don't think a "quick" fetus is the same thing as a "viable" fetus as used in RvW.....but I am not a medical expert.

Also, in some states, the death if the fetus status specifically applies to a viable fetus as defined in RvW. In those cases, there would be no conflict.
 
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In Oklahoma, the death of the fetus statute applies only when the fetus has reached the "quick" stage. I state that only for means of clarification and accuracy. Not all deaths of all pregnant women results in application of that law. For further efforts at clarification and accuracy, I don't think a "quick" fetus is the same thing as a "viable" fetus as used in RvW.....but I am not a medical expert.

Also, in some states, the death if the fetus status specifically applies to a viable fetus as defined in RvW. In those cases, there would be no conflict.
Wow, they still use quickening? That's archaic as hell and very subjective. Quickening is the first maternal sensation of fetal movement. In first time pregnancies it happens usually between 18 and 20 weeks give or take a few weeks. In additional pregnancies the uterus is more slack and it can be felt usually between 14 and 17 weeks. Did I mention it was archaic? It was the old school, like really old old old school pregnancy test and fetal ultrasound wrapped up into one.
 
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