All The Rage. - prophetic

[CBradSmith]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448595/nonstop-rage-fountain-political-youth-left-right

Also really sums up how @syskatine conduct himself.

Further, given @syskatine and other Looney libs have come out swinging in this, I believe a clash is now inevitable.

The left is operating from a 100% unhinged playbook.

 

[CBradSmith]

Just a virtue signaling word.

Looney libs don't really want this.

 

[Been Jammin]

Just a virtue signaling word.

Looney libs don't really want this.

Do conservatives?

 

[CBradSmith]

Do conservatives?

I can't answer for all, but right leaners tend to be more in the "live and let live...You stay out of my hair, I stay out of yours" variety.

So, for me, peaceably yes. Stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours.

Good fences make good neighbors.

 

[Been Jammin]

I can't answer for all, but right leaners tend to be more in the "live and let live...You stay out of my hair, I stay out of yours" variety.

So, for me, peaceably yes. Stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours.

Good fences make good neighbors.

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

 

[Medic007]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

If all of that was actually face value, especially the gay marriage and transgender parts, I'm not sure that many conservatives would disagree. But we both know those two particular things aren't face value.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

What if I told you conservatives supported states deciding those things so people could live and let live?

 

[JonnyVito]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

I actually agree with you all the above except this one "-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus". IMO a life is a life and I would rather see the kid get a shot at life then just be killed because some women couldn't take a pill or a dude couldn't wrap his pecker. That is shameful to take a life because it inconveniences you.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Stupid ass sticker triggers me. This sums it up (not mine).

Let's break it down. We'll call each worldview by the letter it's supposed to represent. So:

• C = Islam
• O = Pacifism
• E = "Gender equality" (=the LGBT agenda)
• X = Judaism
• I = Wicca / Pagan / Bah'ai
• S =Taoism / Confucianism
• T = Christianity

And let's assume a very broad definition of "coexist": living together without calling for the destruction of each other. Here are the problems with that:

• C wants to kill E, X, T, and (by implication) O. If they achieved the world they wanted, I and S would also no longer exist.
• O doesn't allow for effective resistance or defeat of C.
• E stands in direct opposition to C, X, and T, and accuses those who speak against them of hate speech. Also, they're trying to edge X and T out of public schools in favor of their own agenda. (They're afraid C will be offended, so they get less trouble.) E is actually very, very intolerant.
• X's existence is threatened not only by C but also by O, who invariably supports C over X.
• I and S are statistically insignificant and are mainly on there to complete the bumper sticker.
• T is who the bumper sticker is really arguing against, but poses no physical threat to any of the others.

Historically, T has brought about more tolerance- "coexistence" if you will- than any other movement yet T is who this sticker is primarily aimed at. Yet, the kind of "coexistence" the people who make this sticker envision is one where at least X and T are completely marginalized.

 

[PDT816]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

The interesting thing about this post is that about 90% of the conservatives here have repeatedly stated for your reading pleasure that the government shouldn't be regulating morality for more than a decade. Most of us are of the small government wing.

When you stop arguing our side for us, we'll start making progress.

 

[Been Jammin]

The interesting thing about this post is that about 90% of the conservatives here have repeatedly stated for your reading pleasure that the government shouldn't be regulating morality for more than a decade. Most of us are of the small government wing.

When you stop arguing our side for us, we'll start making progress.

I just checked with Mike Pence. He says you are mistaken.

 

[PDT816]

But Brad isn't Mike Pence is he?

 

[Bitter Creek]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.


-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

Unless women have 2 heads (one temporarily in their abdomen), the "mom" isn't the same person as the baby.

Two separate lives. One doesn't get to arbitrarily decide if the other lives or dies.

 

[CBradSmith]

Pence was chosen by a single person.

He wasn't elected to that position.

 

[Been Jammin]

Unless women have 2 heads (one temporarily in their abdomen), the "mom" isn't the same person as the baby.

Two separate lives. One doesn't get to arbitrarily decide if the other lives or dies.

Depends on the definition of what constitutes life and what does not. The definition can vary depending on what argument one is trying to make. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that it is not a given that your statement is accurate.

 

[CBradSmith]

Depends on the definition of what constitutes life and what does not. The definition can vary depending on what argument one is trying to make. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that it is not a given that your statement is accurate.

You work in the medical profession.

What's your definition of "life."

(As an aside)

 

[Bitter Creek]

Depends on the definition of what constitutes life and what does not. The definition can vary depending on what argument one is trying to make. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that it is not a given that your statement is accurate.

There is nothing more precious than innocent human life (do you agree or disagree?)

No one can say definitively yet, when life begins (do you agree or disagree?)

 

[CowboyPhil]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

Marriage should not be a part of our government. It is a religious ceremony. Take out tax benefits for being married and the government is out of the marriage equation

The beginning of life needs to be defined in legal terms as when a fetus becomes a life and has the right to live. I understand everyone will have different opinions but until it is written into law and the supreme court rules on a case involving it, it will be an issue.

 

[Medic007]

Stupid ass sticker triggers me. This sums it up (not mine).

Let's break it down. We'll call each worldview by the letter it's supposed to represent. So:

• C = Islam
• O = Pacifism
• E = "Gender equality" (=the LGBT agenda)
• X = Judaism
• I = Wicca / Pagan / Bah'ai
• S =Taoism / Confucianism
• T = Christianity

And let's assume a very broad definition of "coexist": living together without calling for the destruction of each other. Here are the problems with that:

• C wants to kill E, X, T, and (by implication) O. If they achieved the world they wanted, I and S would also no longer exist.
• O doesn't allow for effective resistance or defeat of C.
• E stands in direct opposition to C, X, and T, and accuses those who speak against them of hate speech. Also, they're trying to edge X and T out of public schools in favor of their own agenda. (They're afraid C will be offended, so they get less trouble.) E is actually very, very intolerant.
• X's existence is threatened not only by C but also by O, who invariably supports C over X.
• I and S are statistically insignificant and are mainly on there to complete the bumper sticker.
• T is who the bumper sticker is really arguing against, but poses no physical threat to any of the others.

Historically, T has brought about more tolerance- "coexistence" if you will- than any other movement yet T is who this sticker is primarily aimed at. Yet, the kind of "coexistence" the people who make this sticker envision is one where at least X and T are completely marginalized.

Don't forget C also wants to kill other C.

And to wrap it all up, the face of this bumper sticker burns flags, wears masks, threatens anyone who disagrees with them, and throws rocks at people and things.

 

[MegaPoke]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

I'm supportive of all those things, what am I? Philosophically against abortion, but it's the law of the land. The rest of those things I think you may be shocked.

At minimum on abortion, the question of that unborn citizen's civil rights and the utter lack of input by the father on the decision are my main arguments against abortion. Both are civil rights issues - neither are legislation of morality issues.

I think your conservative straw man is on fire.

 

[Been Jammin]

You work in the medical profession.

What's your definition of "life."

(As an aside)

You are probably asking the wrong person. It is not uncommon for veterinarians to spay pregnant female cats/dogs. Obviously, it is also common for veterinarians to euthanize patients who have a poor quality of life. Sometimes those actions are not easy to deal with, but (for different reasons), I always feel like I am doing the right thing. If I do not feel like I am on the right side of the situation, I can refuse (and do so on occasion).

I don't consider human life equal to the life of an animal, though. I'm not sure where I fall on the argument of what constitutes a "human life". I don't feel that a sperm or egg counts. I don't feel that a fertilized egg is alive. Obviously, a baby is alive when it is born. I am opposed to abortion during the 3rd trimester, but not sure exactly where I would draw the line if it were up to me.

 

[aix_xpert]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

I'm for all of these things, with the significant recognition of the very first part of your post: "Stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours." The only item on your list that fails to comply with this is the Transgender question. I'm not a fan but don't particularly care about the bathroom issue. But we have real areas where we segregate men from women. Whether that's draft status or military role, athletics, college admittance, etc. When transgenders cross these lines they are no longer staying out of others hair. They expect the world to stop, recognize them, and accomodate them. So now you see transgender boys winning high school athletic competitions as girls, which is absolutely obsurd. As for abortion, I'm of the belief that it should be the woman's right to choose up to the point that the fetus is considered viable by the medical community.

 

[CowboyPhil]

I'm for all of these things, with the significant recognition of the very first part of your post: "Stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours." The only item on your list that fails to comply with this is the Transgender question. I'm not a fan but don't particularly care about the bathroom issue. But we have real areas where we segregate men from women. Whether that's draft status or military role, athletics, college admittance, etc. When transgenders cross these lines they are no longer staying out of others hair. They expect the world to stop, recognize them, and accomodate them. So now you see transgender boys winning high school athletic competitions as girls, which is absolutely obsurd. As for abortion, I'm of the belief that it should be the woman's right to choose up to the point that the fetus is considered viable by the medical community.

I agree with viability, but the medical community can't even come up with when viability can be determined.

A hard number will need to be written into law and go through the legal challenges.

 

[MegaPoke]

 

[MegaPoke]

 

[shortbus]

Personally, I used to think that bumper sticker was awesome, but have come to realize that it is completely unrealistic.

To me, "stay out of my hair, I'll stay out of yours" suggests that...
-gay marriage should be legal
-a woman should have the right to choose what happens to her unborn fetus
-if someone wants to live as the other gender, let them do what they want
-Marijuana should be legalized and taxed like alcohol
-Casinos/gambling should be legalized and taxed

Those do not tend to be things that many conservatives are supportive of.

I certainly am, except for the fetus part, because someone has to advocate for the fetus, but I'm willing to meet you at 4.5 months if we have to compromise.

 

[Medic007]

I agree with viability, but the medical community can't even come up with when viability can be determined.

A hard number will need to be written into law and go through the legal challenges.

23-24 weeks is the typical age of viability with modern medicine but doesn't mean survival is any guarantee. The issue is often the variable of estimated vs actual gestational age. There are babies born at 22 weeks who survive now. Are they really 22 weeks or actually 23? Is the 24 weeker really 24 weeks or 23? What has held mostly true is that babies born weighing less than 500 grams rarely survive. But advances in neonatology have been pushing the boundary of viability so who knows what we'll see in the next decade. I do know what was once not survivable now not only survives, but develops without disabilities.

All that to say it would likely be impossible to make a hard number as the more premature cases literally depend on what you see and how he/she responds to care after birth.

 

[CowboyPhil]

23-24 weeks is the typical age of viability with modern medicine but doesn't mean survival is any guarantee. The issue is often the variable of estimated vs actual gestational age. There are babies born at 22 weeks who survive now. Are they really 22 weeks or actually 23? Is the 24 weeker really 24 weeks or 23? What has held mostly true is that babies born weighing less than 500 grams rarely survive. But advances in neonatology have been pushing the boundary of viability so who knows what we'll see in the next decade. I do know what was once not survivable now not only survives, but develops without disabilities.

All that to say it would likely be impossible to make a hard number as the more premature cases literally depend on what you see and how he/she responds to care after birth.

But that is arguing the other side. Premies that are born at 22-23 weeks are usually with parents who want to keep the baby and are having a procedure to save it, not destroy it. A hard number is more to stop abortions from happening after a certain gestation period. Even if it is 28 weeks, it will get challenged and go through the legal system.

 

[aix_xpert]

I think its clear that most believe that there is some point where the decision shifts between being part of the mother and being a child of its own. There are some on the extremes, but if we had real political discord and compromise, we'd get some 'middle ground' and move on to other real problems. Unfortunately, that's not allowed in today's society or government.

 

[Medic007]

But that is arguing the other side. Premies that are born at 22-23 weeks are usually with parents who want to keep the baby and are having a procedure to save it, not destroy it. A hard number is more to stop abortions from happening after a certain gestation period. Even if it is 28 weeks, it will get challenged and go through the legal system.

I don't disagree, just throwing out the challenge of setting a hard number. Some folks in the middle are comfortable with abortion before a gestational age that can survive outside the uterus.

If someone is looking for that magic gestional age, likely 20 weeks is that answer as anything delivered naturally before 20 weeks is considered a spontaneous abortion.

 

[squeak]

I saw my son at 12 weeks via ultrasound. The little guy looked like a person to me.

 

[Cordellhall83]

I don't think I've ever heard a pregnant woman say, "I just felt my fetus move".
Never heard one person say, "so, how far along is your fetus?" Or "do you know if the fetus is a boy or girl yet?" Try this one: " I saw our fetus via ultrasound at 12 weeks". It's a baby...unless of course you don't want it then we'll go by a medical term.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

23-24 weeks is the typical age of viability with modern medicine but doesn't mean survival is any guarantee. The issue is often the variable of estimated vs actual gestational age. There are babies born at 22 weeks who survive now. Are they really 22 weeks or actually 23? Is the 24 weeker really 24 weeks or 23? What has held mostly true is that babies born weighing less than 500 grams rarely survive. But advances in neonatology have been pushing the boundary of viability so who knows what we'll see in the next decade. I do know what was once not survivable now not only survives, but develops without disabilities.

All that to say it would likely be impossible to make a hard number as the more premature cases literally depend on what you see and how he/she responds to care after birth.

30 weeks 20 years ago....22 weeks today.... 18? weeks 20 years from now.

It's all arbitrary. A baby is a baby.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

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Yeah.

Or maybe when the constant messaging is preserving the ability to take up arms against the government, we shouldn't be surprised when people take up arms against the government. Add in constant demonization of the "left" and daily lies, corruption and gaslighting from Trump and you've ignited a fuse.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

AAAAAAND for the 4th time, FOX just had another round table discussion on the 93 million misspeak the guy corrected. The little guy just said, "Trump eviscerated everyone and now the left is embracing violence" or something real close to that. Eviscerated, but the left's speech enables violence.

e·vis·cer·ate
əˈvisəˌrāt/
verb
formal

1. disembowel (a person or animal).

 

[Medic007]

Yeah.

Or maybe when the constant messaging is preserving the ability to take up arms against the government, we shouldn't be surprised when people take up arms against the government. Add in constant demonization of the "left" and daily lies, corruption and gaslighting from Trump and you've ignited a fuse.

Good morning Duke Cognitive Dissonance the 2nd!

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Good morning Duke Cognitive Dissonance the 2nd!

Good morning, Bunny. I hope this gets your day started right.

 

[Medic007]

Good morning, Bunny. I hope this gets your day started right.

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Dude, the bunny thing. It's not going to work because it's really not applicable based on its actual meaning. It makes you look desperate. Like crack whore in full blown (no pun) crack withdrawal desperate. You aren't quick with actual wit although you're definitely witty when you actually don't try so hard. Take your time. Be creative. Find a post of mine you can really slather with your creative juices. Don't rush this and you'll hit a homer I'm sure.

 

[Medic007]

Good morning, Bunny. I hope this gets your day started right.

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Haven't heard that in forever. Radio sucks bad these days.

 

[imprimis]

30 weeks 20 years ago....22 weeks today.... 18? weeks 20 years from now.

It's all arbitrary. A baby is a baby.

Here's what makes no sense. A woman can walk into an abortion clinic and have the fetus in her womb legally killed up to a certain time of development. The same woman walking up the steps of an abortion clinic to have her fetus legally killed can be shot, stabbed, strangled or something else which results in the death of the fetus and the assailant can be charged with murder in 38 states and in all 50 states if there are federal jurisdiction aspects. The fetus is still dead but one cause of death is legal and the other illegal.