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You think you could actually debate politics and leave the personal shit out of it? Is that possible for you?

Don't rely on the quotes of others to make your case.

Don't be overly emotional in your posts.

Don't use wording that frames your debate opponent as dumb, ill-intentioned, a radical, etc.

Start by doing these things differently, and we most likely have a common ground from which to operate in which I feel appropriate leaving stuff like "135" out of it.
 
Don't rely on the quotes of others to make your case.

Don't be overly emotional in your posts.

Don't use wording that frames your debate opponent as dumb, ill-intentioned, a radical, etc.

Start by doing these things differently, and we most likely have a common ground from which to operate in which I feel appropriate leaving stuff like "135" out of it.

OK...here's some facts...even the staunchest Republicans know his plans wouldn't work.
 
What's the point of what you're trying to do on this board anyway?

Mission Statement, please.

Have you ever watched The West Wing? Forget that Bartlet was a dem...I'm talking about the actual day to day life of the President...

The stresses, the continued communication with foreign leaders and dignitaries, transparency with the public and press, LISTENING to smart people around him and backing off the ledge when they give him sound direction, the necessary reading of Situation Room reports, of policy materials, collaborating almost daily on speechwriting, glad handing at social engagements and White House visitors and tourists.

Now tell me if you think Trump embodies any of those characteristics.
 
Have you ever watched The West Wing? Forget that Bartlet was a dem...I'm talking about the actual day to day life of the President...

The stresses, the continued communication with foreign leaders and dignitaries, transparency with the public and press, LISTENING to smart people around him and backing off the ledge when they give him sound direction, the necessary reading of Situation Room reports, of policy materials, collaborating almost daily on speechwriting, glad handing at social engagements and White House visitors and tourists.

Now tell me if you think Trump embodies any of those characteristics.

Make an assertion.

Don't ask me a question, I don't need to be led to a position that I've already proactively and critically come to.
 
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My assertion is he doesn't. He doesn't have the patience or temperament for the job. He can't listen to people around him, because he legitimately feels he has all the answers and won't take the advice of actual politicians and military officers with the experience to know better.
 
My assertion is he doesn't. He doesn't have the patience or temperament for the job. He can't listen to people around him, because he legitimately feels he has all the answers and won't take the advice of actual politicians and military officers with the experience to know better.

You come to this conclusion based on....
 
Have you ever watched The West Wing? Forget that Bartlet was a dem...I'm talking about the actual day to day life of the President...

The stresses, the continued communication with foreign leaders and dignitaries, transparency with the public and press, LISTENING to smart people around him and backing off the ledge when they give him sound direction, the necessary reading of Situation Room reports, of policy materials, collaborating almost daily on speechwriting, glad handing at social engagements and White House visitors and tourists.

Now tell me if you think Trump embodies any of those characteristics.

I hate it when the obvious answer make me sound like a big Trump fan but his business reputation specifically is that he surrounds himself with smart people who he listens to.

Would he be that way as president? Don't know and neither do you.
 
I hate it when the obvious answer make me sound like a big Trump fan but his business reputation specifically is that he surrounds himself with smart people who he listens to.

Would he be that way as president? Don't know and neither do you.

He's (Trump) repeatedly said as much, so I'm genuinely interested to see what critical analysis by Clinton brought him to assert the opposite.
 
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I hate it when the obvious answer make me sound like a big Trump fan but his business reputation specifically is that he surrounds himself with smart people who he listens to.

Would he be that way as president? Don't know and neither do you.

You KNOW he's not a good businessman. The truckloads of evidence to the contrary is disturbingly widespread.
 
You KNOW he's not a good businessman. The truckloads of evidence to the contrary is disturbingly widespread.

By even the most modest definitions of successful he exceeds with flying colors. What is your educational background to be able to evaluate his record and actually make that assertion?
 
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He linked the USA Today article from June 9, 2016!

The problem, as I see it, is that I don't think there's enough time nor desire on his end to provide the framework by which Clinton can implement, and go on to articulate, an informed position on the running of a multi-billion dollar business.
 
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The problem, as I see it, is that I don't think there's enough time nor desire on his end to provide the framework by which Clinton can implement, and go on to articulate, an informed position on the running of a multi-billion dollar business.
Open a freaking 10-K for just about any business and you'll see disclosures of lawsuits, and those are only the ones that are material. It's a part of doing business.

I also have no doubt trump is pretty ruthless and it's completely obvious in that article that when he has leverage, he uses it to the fullest. Personally I'd like more of that in the White House and less apologizing.
 
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My assertion is he doesn't. He doesn't have the patience or temperament for the job. He can't listen to people around him, because he legitimately feels he has all the answers and won't take the advice of actual politicians and military officers with the experience to know better

Sounds like you're describing Obama, and you couldn't have described him any better.

You KNOW he's not a good businessman. The truckloads of evidence to the contrary is disturbingly widespread.

And HilLIARy was terrible at running the State Department. $6 billion that can't be accounted for? Shady deals involving her slush fund Clinton Foundation? Crying "genocide" to convince Obama to wage an unauthorized war in Libya? Supporting terrorists in Libya and Syria? Lying about the deaths of 4 Americans under her watch and then lying about lying?

Hillary was a shitty career first lady turned shitty carpetbagger senator turned shitty Secretary of State but she's just fine to be the president? The woman who habitually lies and has zero intregity? The pissy old cankled bitch that the Secret Service can't stand?

HilLIARy hasn't accomplished shit. She's the definition of a participation medal.
 
The problem, as I see it, is that I don't think there's enough time nor desire on his end to provide the framework by which Clinton can implement, and go on to articulate, an informed position on the running of a multi-billion dollar business.
That's being generous.
 
135 and that is what you present as "facts?" The "staunchest Republicans" don't even want Trump and they want HilLIARy even less.

The "staunchest Republicans" huh? Well that solves it. I mean who shouldn't be completely dependent upon the advice and guidance of the staunchest among the establishment and take their marching orders and do what their told for the benefit of the team? Perfectly reasonable. Oh, and I support universal suffrage while agreeing with this view.
 
AC's Mission statement: To badger, irritate and pester any and all parties (or anything else that makes me laugh).

(It's too long. I need to make it more concise. Give me some time.)

Don't feel bad. Here's mine.

ThorOdinson's Mission Statement: To receive opposing points of view that cause me to question my own whilst simultaneously providing the same courtesy to others.
 
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