http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestlin...ahoma-State-is-No-1-in-WIN-Preseason-Rankings
Yes, I know, it is preseason, but still great to see.
Yes, I know, it is preseason, but still great to see.
1st Preseason Ranking out!
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and actually, Mr. Wrestlestat, a poor facsimile of a ranking. Yours is much more realistic, but you were so early I forgot 
and yours are a little more accurate, I believe.
and yours are a little more accurate, I believe.
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I'm really surprised PSU made it into the top 10, east coast favoritism.
I thought 184 was tough last year. I did not know that Martin and Nickal were moving up. Also I think one of the Valencia's will be there as well.
141 looks pretty much the same way to me, but we have the returning champion in a beast of a weight.
141 looks pretty much the same way to me, but we have the returning champion in a beast of a weight.
Can't really trust wins rankings I had to lol on that one. Zahid from all flo accounts is very light and can make 174
Of course it is too early to predict and no freshman ranked which I believe Nik Pik will be in the top eight and I truly believe Schafer can AA at heavy weight. Of course there are true freshman not listed for all the top schools who will or could AA. Mark Hall would if he was not to redshirt and Soriano would also so that makes Penn State much stronger.
I thought the entire thing was funny-my 12 year old has a better grip on what will happen than this. Don't think I have ever seen so many inaccuracies in one set of rankings. But, I guess I wouldn't have seen this if USA hadn't reposted it.
At least they had the right team on top!
At least they had the right team on top!
Looks like Ohio State confirmed their guys are moving around.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/46045-major-lineup-changes-for-ohio-state-wrestling
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/46045-major-lineup-changes-for-ohio-state-wrestling
They "could" win with Tomasello at 25, Jordan 65, and Martin 74. That's probably 4 finalists. I don't know that they could do it with everyone up though. It'll be tough for all 4 to get in. If someone else emerged at another weight they'd have a shot.
I think Jordan will do fine at 174, but Martin moving into 184 could prove to be problematic, unless he was just that big and had to move up and is just not accommodating Jordan. 184 is just a meat grinder.
I think if Z Valencia wrestles at 174 he will be in the mix. He looked pretty tall and big to me, but I have never been that good at judging weight by appearance. I suppose that means that Anthony Valencia will be at 165?
The team with the lowest ranking that could be a player is Arizona State.
I think if Z Valencia wrestles at 174 he will be in the mix. He looked pretty tall and big to me, but I have never been that good at judging weight by appearance. I suppose that means that Anthony Valencia will be at 165?
The team with the lowest ranking that could be a player is Arizona State.
ASU.... They do need a couple weights to be right in the mix. 125 for sure and the reason I mention that is cause I hear a Oklahoma 125 is going to visit there this weekend.
Speaking of 125 and not to harp on this recruiting issue but waiting until November before Daton Fix makes his choice is hard on an old man. November seems like a long way away. I know no new information that would sway his choice one way or another but again he was at the OSU game all togged out in Orange and black. All things considered I know his family would prefer he choose Stillwater for his home but they are also all about what is best for him. Since I know that John Smith reads this and hangs on my every word I would only say that he has to do everything legally right to make sure that Daton has a full ride. He can not ASSUME that Daton is picking Orange and Black. Note to Realism. John does not read this board and of course does not hang on my every word. It is usually not a good thing to damn the torpedoes and go full bore for one recruit but Daton is that rare recruit that brings not only great talent but great charisma and he and his dad know all of the good future recruits on a personal basis. He is the only MUST recruit in my almost 60 years of following OSU wrestling.
What is the NCAA precedent for guys that are that good internationally prior to college wrestling? For guys like Lee and Fix and Hall, is it just assumed they are able to jump in day one and contend for the top of the podium?
If not, why not? Hard to imagine that guys from US college wrestling programs can compare to those cyborgs from southwest Asia and Russia.
It's funny that you just brought up your relationship with John because I was having dinner at his house a week ago (Eric was over there too), and John brought up about our board and the people that are in the know. Eric asked how Oberebo always knew what was going on in the room, John piped that he had you on speed dial and when ever he needed advise on how to improve a wrestler (or about a high school wrestler) he would give Oberebo a call. After hearing that, I would like to thank you about how you help Alex Dieringer win 3 titles.
Jordan would probably start to go on a downward slope had he stayed at 165 I was amazed he maintained it last year. Martin had an interview I believe during the ncaa's where he said his walk around weight was close to 200, I don't know if that's changed since he committed to 174 last season but if it hasn't I don't know if he'll have too many issues up a weight
I agree with Oberebo on getting Fix being very important. I think the future recruiting will be significant. I am curious if anybody knows anything about Chase Singletary out of Blair. I think he is a 197- heavy tweener. Having the #4 overall recruit that would wrestle 197 is significant. As far as likely points at the NCAA tournament he would be right there with Fix.
I know that PSU is drooling all over him as well.
I know that PSU is drooling all over him as well.
I saw on flo a while back he had OSU in his top 5 along with PSU, Cornell, North Carolina, and Ohio State, but I believe he's going to announce it at that signing day thing that Fix is announcing his commitment at.
One podcast I heard had him going to OSU and another PSU. I don't think either had any real info on his plans, just basically guessed. I think one thought maybe Espo knew him and would get him here and the other guessed PSU.
I personally think this kid would be as big a get as Fix going forward. I know Fix can help boost recruiting, etc..., but OSU's solid from 125-157 for the next 3-5 years barring injuries. They aren't at the bigger weights.
That's a fair assessment on Jordan and going up being a positive for him, but 184's simply a tougher weight than 174, honestly 165 looks like it may be a tougher weight also, but I would have a hard time expecting the same result from Martin at 184, especially if Nickal goes up too, and there's almost no way Tomasello scores more points at 133.
184 is definitely a tough weight but I don't discredit a national champ regardless. I'm not saying he's going to win or make the finals but I still believe he'll be a formidable one there. As far as Nate goes, no he probably won't but don't think he'll score less either
I could realistically see all four of those tOSU guys in the finals, but it will be a little harder up a weight. I think 165 and 184 will be beastly weights with all of the new wresters coming in that are outstanding freestyle wrestlers.
Anybody know what is happening at Penn State with V Joseph and where he will fit into the lineup?
Anybody know what is happening at Penn State with V Joseph and where he will fit into the lineup?
You are welcome Mike but I know your story is BS because Eric would have known where I get my information.It's funny that you just brought up your relationship with John because I was having dinner at his house a week ago (Eric was over there too), and John brought up about our board and the people that are in the know. Eric asked how Oberebo always knew what was going on in the room, John piped that he had you on speed dial and when ever he needed advise on how to improve a wrestler (or about a high school wrestler) he would give Oberebo a call. After hearing that, I would like to thank you about how you help Alex Dieringer win 3 titles.
They "could", but I would almost consider Nato a lock at 125 and he's not that at 33, and I'd give Martin probably a 75% chance at 174, drop it down to maybe 50% at 184. Jordan has a really good chance at 65 and Snyder's a lock
I'd assume their lineup will probably be this
125-Suriano
133-Cortez
141-Gulibon
149-Retherford
157-Nolf
165-Joseph
174-Rasheed-Nickal
184-Nickal-Mccutcheon
197-Cassar-Mccutcheon
285-Nevills
I think 125-165 is probably set, but the rest all depends on what Nickal decides to do. Some people are saying he's going up others are saying he's not. Who knows?
I know Retherford, and Nolf will likely bonus their way through, but almost everything else has to be a bit up in the air. Suriano's talented, but you never know how a true freshman will do. I think Cortez is good, but he's never been a starter, so that's unclear also. Gulibon's always been very up and down his whole career.
I think Joseph will be decent also, but still a freshman and at an insanely tough weight, so I doubt he AA's. Then the next three waits all hinge on what Nickal decides. He probably wins 174, but if he goes up who knows what he'll do? No matter what he does it's really unclear what will happen with Rasheed and Mccutcheon. Mccutcheon can't seem to stay healthy and Rasheed only wrestled part of the season.
Then Nevills and Cassar are also question marks with Nevills injury and Cassar wrestling his first year as a starter.
They also have Morelli at 165. If Joseph isn't AA caliber then he will have trouble beating out Morelli. I think you might be surprised how good Joseph is. Nothing is a sure thing, but he can go with just about anybody. Top 4 isn't out of the question. I'm pretty sure Nickal will stay at 174, forcing Rasheed (who only wrestled part of the season because he couldn't make weight and wrestle a full three periods) and Mccutheon to 184. It really is largely about the health of that upper three weights. If Mccutcheon or Rasheed, Cassar and Nevills are 100%, look out.
Penn State starts the year with a range from in the running for a title at the low end to historically great team at the high end. Of course, rarely does everything go right for a team. I could see anything from 2 champs and 4 AAs to 3 champs and 10 AAs. Nobody in that lineup would be overly surprising standing on the podium at the end of the year. Of course, you could say the same thing about the Cowboys other than maybe HWT.
I'm with you
I think Joseph will be good, that's just a really tough weight, so I could see him finishing outside the top 8, and Morelli didn't look very good at the end of last year, barely qualified.
If I had to guess they wind up somewhere in the middle of what you're saying. Some of the young guys will end up being average and some will end up being really good. Some of the guys off injuries won't have issues and some will.
I think there are a lot of great Freshmen coming in this year that will be factors and Joseph is one of them. He was very impressive at the Junior National trials in Irving. I think we will see two or three freshmen on the podium at 165. I know it is a brutal weight, but a lot of that will be due to the freshmen coming in.
V. Joseph
A. Valenzia
Logan Massa
Marinelli (not Kemmerer who will be at 157) I am not projecting Marinelli on the podium this year, but he will be a tough out.
I have no idea how these guys will do on bottom, but they will be great on their feet.
These guys are all tested studs, but may not all be at 165.
Z Valenzia is in a whole different world and I would be shocked if he did not AA (even at 184) and a little surprised if he is not in the finals.
V. Joseph
A. Valenzia
Logan Massa
Marinelli (not Kemmerer who will be at 157) I am not projecting Marinelli on the podium this year, but he will be a tough out.
I have no idea how these guys will do on bottom, but they will be great on their feet.
These guys are all tested studs, but may not all be at 165.
Z Valenzia is in a whole different world and I would be shocked if he did not AA (even at 184) and a little surprised if he is not in the finals.
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