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It's not an aluminum can, but it is recyclable.Are lithium ion batteries recyclable?
Lithium ion batteries will help power the shift to a renewable energy world, but recycling them is not yet an easy task. Learn more today.
Lithium costs a lot of money—so why aren’t we recycling lithium batteries?
The nascent recycling industry needs to economically deconstruct lots of formats.arstechnica.com
It is very difficult to recycle. I have tons of information about lithium and it is currently a special waste and only haulable (in a diminimus amount) as a manifested placard load.
As a recycler we cannot touch it.
but they are not. I am in the industry; they are holding to find a more cost-effective way to recycle. The recycled product will cost more than the mined product. It will not be done until it is financially feasible.
It is a problem of scale. Batteries last 10+ years. How many EVs do you remember seeing on the road in 2013? Minimum scale for a plant is probably 5kt LCE/yr which is about 200,000 Tesla model S or so. And that 200k needs to be geographically concentrated so transport cost is reasonable. So you need about 1 million EVs retiring per year in the US for recycling to pencil out. US EV sales will probably reach about 1 million this year, so the first year lithium recycling will be viable in the US will be 2033 or so. Maybe 2030 in China. The day will come.
What about lead batteries or scrap metal? We aren't talking about trash here.
Believe what you want. It's fiction. A 20 percent yield is not profitable. That is why they researching how to increase yields.
Get 70 in a mfg setting. Small volume recycling in a lab is way different.
Well they have 10 years to work out the kinks before enough batteries need recycling to justify a mfg setting.
Who is "they"? If you mean legacy recyclers then yeah, they will be late to the party. This is understandable, it is a very different process than aluminum cans. Between repurposing and recycling the battery lifecycle problem is well on its way to be solved.
They already have a glut of bad batteries just from the mfg of the autos being produced. sir. This is a current issue that I am working on with a mfg.
Gotcha that is great news as I have the problem now with a mfg and it's not working. Glad to have ty our positive attitude. It's not but you guys know more than I. I just own the business.
Those guys at ExxonMobil are morons. They should have called you first. What other electronics do you guys recycle?
Be careful extrapolating current market cap to future value, particularly those driven by a frenzy of believers. That's not worked so well for FTX (32Billion Cap to gone), SpaceX ($15B at peak, down to $1B), etc. This company may be a good investment, and their solution may work. Or it could be the next Solyndra, propped up by government investments that folds as soon that government gravy train runs dry.
Again it comes down to a cost benefit analysis. Also battery tech is ever changing. Recycle does not mean free. Most people think recycling is free, it is not it cost more to recycle than to put it in the landfill. Like I said it's all about the Benjamin's.
No doubt people are detached from reality. You see it on this bored every day. The reality is many of the batteries not fit for purpose in an EV have a viable second life as grid storage where discharge rates are lower and overall capacity to weight is less important. This is not just a story of recycling there is a strong reuse component as well.
Breakeven lithium price?
This is precisely what happen's to new lithium mines which is why the price of lithium has quadrupled incentivizing the development of a recycling infrastructure. It's the free market Dan, your favorite.
If your project is truly free market oriented I’m all for it. But it’s not, and you know it’s not. You make yourself look silly when you say ridiculous things like that.
