Lessons learned so far

[wyomingosualum]

1. Alvin Bragg is delusional if he thinks this is a felony.

2. Don’t pay a porn actress $130,000 for any reason. Ever. And don’t be involved in a situation in which you think you need to pay her 6 figures.

3. If you violate #2, don’t get creative with your accounting.

What else? Am I leaving anything out?

 

[squeak]

Don’t vote for democrats

 

[JimmyBob]

don’t get creative with your accounting.

Uh, this one is still open, cynical bastard that I am.

 

[Alpha Woke]

#3 Ho’s talk.

A lot.

Like @my_2cents tonight.

 

[OUSOONER67]

#3 Ho’s talk.

A lot.

Like @my_2cents tonight.

That bitch never shuts up.

 

[davidallen]

1. Alvin Bragg is delusional if he thinks this is a felony.

2. Don’t pay a porn actress $130,000 for any reason. Ever. And don’t be involved in a situation in which you think you need to pay her 6 figures.

3. If you violate #2, don’t get creative with your accounting.

What else? Am I leaving anything out?

Re: #1 NY Statues beg to differ (presuming the charges are what everyone thinks they are).

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Re: #1 NY Statues beg to differ (presuming the charges are what everyone thinks they are).

Ha ha NY.

 

[osu_orangestreak]

You get her coked up and throw her off a balcony.

Problem solved

 

[AC2020]

Re: #1 NY Statues beg to differ (presuming the charges are what everyone thinks they are).

NY statutes only differ when a Democrat is the target.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

You get her coked up and throw her off a balcony.

Problem solved

⬆️Hillary Clinton sock account.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

NY statutes only differ when a Democrat is the target.

Alvin Bragg! 🤣

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

⬆️Hillary Clinton sock account.

Oof!

 

[wyomingosualum]

Re: #1 NY Statues beg to differ (presuming the charges are what everyone thinks they are).

Your opinion is duly noted.

 

[aix_xpert]

Re: #1 NY Statues beg to differ (presuming the charges are what everyone thinks they are).

Logic would assume that the crimes that warrant the elevation of the misdemeanor are charged as well, correct? I'm very interested in seeing what crime he supposedly covered up.

 

[davidallen]

Logic would assume that the crimes that warrant the elevation of the misdemeanor are charged as well, correct? I'm very interested in seeing what crime he supposedly covered up.

tax evasion - seems pretty clear

 

[wyomingosualum]

Re: #1 NY Statues beg to differ (presuming the charges are what everyone thinks they are).

I have spent too much time this evening trying to locate the statute that we think is in question here. I have heard lawyers give their opinions about this statute, but I can’t find it. The state website is terrible. I enjoy independent research and since we have a difference of opinion based upon somebody else’s opinion, I thought it would be a good idea for us to look at this law and cuss/discuss. But I’m striking out so far.

Can you locate the statute number and wording of this law?

 

[davidallen]

I have spent too much time this evening trying to locate the statute that we think is in question here. I have heard lawyers give their opinions about this statute, but I can’t find it. The state website is terrible. I enjoy independent research and since we have a difference of opinion based upon somebody else’s opinion, I thought it would be a good idea for us to look at this law and cuss/discuss. But I’m striking out so far.

Can you locate the statute number and wording of this law?

Survey of New York Prosecutions For Felony Falsification of Business Records | PDF | Fraud | Crimes

A survey of New York District Attorneys' Offices past cases of prosecuting felony falsification of business records; with relevance to District Attorney Alvin Bragg's potential indictment of former President Donald J. Trump.

www.scribd.com

 

[davidallen]

I have spent too much time this evening trying to locate the statute that we think is in question here. I have heard lawyers give their opinions about this statute, but I can’t find it. The state website is terrible. I enjoy independent research and since we have a difference of opinion based upon somebody else’s opinion, I thought it would be a good idea for us to look at this law and cuss/discuss. But I’m striking out so far.

Can you locate the statute number and wording of this law?

Legislation

www.nysenate.gov

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

tax evasion - seems pretty clear

See joe.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Lessons learned but already knew, once the Feds go after you they won't stop until they find something, anything to get you on. Unless you are a Dim.
Lesson over.

 

[Syskatine]

Lessons learned but already knew, once the Feds go after you they won't stop until they find something, anything to get you on. Unless you are a Dim.
Lesson over.

Lol. Feds aren't charging him with anything. NY prosecutor picking on the born-rich, powerful, ex-president though? Hid own home? And Georgia, if his election fraud gets legs?

This whole affair is a great primer and a fundamental law of politics. Democrats flush turds, republicans pass them around and then put them in soup and market the soup to their base.

What would happen if republicans held their leaders to a higher standard instead of defending them no matter what?

 

[OUSOONER67]

Lol. Feds aren't charging him with anything. NY prosecutor picking on the born-rich, powerful, ex-president though? Hid own home? And Georgia, if his election fraud gets legs?

This whole affair is a great primer and a fundamental law of politics. Democrats flush turds, republicans pass them around and then put them in soup and market the soup to their base.

What would happen if republicans held their leaders to a higher standard instead of defending them no matter what?

What would happen if you had Pee Pee Tape? Better yet, keep that one to yourself.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

 

[Mr.OSU]

Lol. Feds aren't charging him with anything. NY prosecutor picking on the born-rich, powerful, ex-president though? Hid own home? And Georgia, if his election fraud gets legs?

This whole affair is a great primer and a fundamental law of politics. Democrats flush turds, republicans pass them around and then put them in soup and market the soup to their base.

What would happen if republicans held their leaders to a higher standard instead of defending them no matter what?

Manically triggered at 3:26 in the morning. Breath buddy.

 

[Syskatine]

What would happen if you had Pee Pee Tape? Better yet, keep that one to yourself.

Lol it wouldn't even register at this point.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Survey of New York Prosecutions For Felony Falsification of Business Records | PDF | Fraud | Crimes

A survey of New York District Attorneys' Offices past cases of prosecuting felony falsification of business records; with relevance to District Attorney Alvin Bragg's potential indictment of former President Donald J. Trump.

www.scribd.com

Thanks, man.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Legislation

www.nysenate.gov

So if I understand correctly, the case against Trump goes like this:

Trump pays Stormy $130,000 and calls it “legal expenses”. He uses this expense as a tax deduction and avoids paying taxes on this amount. He does this with the intent to avoid paying the tax, so now the elements of the crime are fulfilled.

Do I have it right so far?

 

[07pilt]

So if I understand correctly, the case against Trump goes like this:

Trump pays Stormy $130,000 and calls it “legal expenses”. He uses this expense as a tax deduction and avoids paying taxes on this amount. He does this with the intent to avoid paying the tax, so now the elements of the crime are fulfilled.

Do I have it right so far?

I think the obvious lesson here is to pay all your hush money from your after tax income not your pre tax income. AND as tempting as it maybe never claim your hush money payments as tax deductible.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I'm sorry for Trump. I doubt the charges have legs, but this is New York, so we should all probably expect a worse-case outcome for him. I personally hope the charges are shown to be frivolous and he goes free. That being said I still don't want to see him get the Republican nomination for 2024, and I still don't want to see him become president for a second time. Once was more than enough, thank you very much.

 

[07pilt]

I'm sorry for Trump. I doubt the charges have legs, but this is New York, so we should all probably expect a worse-case outcome for him. I personally hope the charges are shown to be frivolous and he goes free. That being said I still don't want to see him get the Republican nomination for 2024, and I still don't want to see him become president for a second time. Once was more than enough, thank you very much.

If he can get a Long Island jury he should be in the clear.

 

[wyomingosualum]

@davidallen

I honestly had not considered the tax evasion angle on this. And maybe you’re on to something here.

The misdemeanor charge has a 2 year statute of limitations. The tax evasion angle stretches that to five years. But aren’t you running into a statute of limitations problem here? Any idea on when this transaction occurred?

S 30.10 Timeliness of prosecutions; periods of limitation.
1. A criminal action must be commenced within the period of limitation
prescribed in the ensuing subdivisions of this section.
2. Except as otherwise provided in subdivision three:
(a) A prosecution for a class A felony, or rape in the first degree as
defined in section 130.35 of the penal law, or a crime defined or
formerly defined in section 130.50 of the penal law, or aggravated
sexual abuse in the first degree as defined in section 130.70 of the
penal law, or course of sexual conduct against a child in the first
degree as defined in section 130.75 of the penal law may be commenced at
any time;
(b) A prosecution for any other felony must be commenced within five
years after the commission thereof;
(c) A prosecution for a misdemeanor must be commenced within two years
after the commission thereof

 

[Syskatine]

1. Alvin Bragg is delusional if he thinks this is a felony.

2. Don’t pay a porn actress $130,000 for any reason. Ever. And don’t be involved in a situation in which you think you need to pay her 6 figures.

3. If you violate #2, don’t get creative with your accounting.

What else? Am I leaving anything out?

Hire good lawyers. He gets the worst legal talent, I swear.

So if I understand correctly, the case against Trump goes like this:

Trump pays Stormy $130,000 and calls it “legal expenses”. He uses this expense as a tax deduction and avoids paying taxes on this amount. He does this with the intent to avoid paying the tax, so now the elements of the crime are fulfilled.

Do I have it right so far?

Well, up until a day ago that was the conventional wisdom, except he also stiffed his lawyer, who paid for it, I think... But 3 counts sounds like something else.

I wonder if Al Capone's messaging was much different than Trump's when he got charged with tax evasion? Anyone could do it, its political, corrupt prosecutor, etc.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Hire good lawyers. He gets the worst legal talent, I swear.



Well, up until a day ago that was the conventional wisdom, except he also stiffed his lawyer, who paid for it, I think... But 3 counts sounds like something else.

I wonder if Al Capone's messaging was much different than Trump's when he got charged with tax evasion? Anyone could do it, its political, corrupt prosecutor, etc.

Yeah, we are all getting ahead of ourselves here a bit. Guess we all should really just wait and see what the charging document actually reads.

I understand Cohen was reimbursed.

And I misspoke earlier. I guess it wouldn’t be the date of the transaction that matters. It would be the date of the ledger entry, right?

 

[Syskatine]

Yeah, we are all getting ahead of ourselves here a bit. Guess we all should really just wait and see what the charging document actually reads.

I understand Cohen was reimbursed.

And I misspoke earlier. I guess it wouldn’t be the date of the transaction that matters. It would be the date of the ledger entry, right?

Man you are getting into the weeds of New York law now. I have no idea.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

If he can get a Long Island jury he should be in the clear.

So you admit that Trump will not get a fair trial. Thanks for letting us know.

 

[07pilt]

So you admit that Trump will not get a fair trial. Thanks for letting us know.

So you admit you have the reading comprehension of a 5th grader. Thanks for letting us know.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Man you are getting into the weeds of New York law now. I have no idea.

Just continuing the speculation here, but i really think it’s the date of the ledger entry that matters since we are talking about falsifying a business record. Just thinking that could buy you guys some extra time on the ticking clock of statute of limitations.

 

[davidallen]

@davidallen

I honestly had not considered the tax evasion angle on this. And maybe you’re on to something here.

The misdemeanor charge has a 2 year statute of limitations. The tax evasion angle stretches that to five years. But aren’t you running into a statute of limitations problem here? Any idea on when this transaction occurred?

S 30.10 Timeliness of prosecutions; periods of limitation.
1. A criminal action must be commenced within the period of limitation
prescribed in the ensuing subdivisions of this section.
2. Except as otherwise provided in subdivision three:
(a) A prosecution for a class A felony, or rape in the first degree as
defined in section 130.35 of the penal law, or a crime defined or
formerly defined in section 130.50 of the penal law, or aggravated
sexual abuse in the first degree as defined in section 130.70 of the
penal law, or course of sexual conduct against a child in the first
degree as defined in section 130.75 of the penal law may be commenced at
any time;
(b) A prosecution for any other felony must be commenced within five
years after the commission thereof;
(c) A prosecution for a misdemeanor must be commenced within two years
after the commission thereof

Good questions. Seeing the actual charges will answer these I think. Reimbursement to Cohen occured in late 2018 into 2019 as I recall. In that case the reimbursements are the fraudulent business transactions would still be within the 5 year window. Each of those checks, each of those expense recordings is likely a chargable offense which explains the number of counts potentially. This is such a speculative game right now, but that is my guess.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Good questions. Seeing the actual charges will answer these I think. Reimbursement to Cohen occured in late 2018 into 2019 as I recall. In that case the reimbursements are the fraudulent business transactions would still be within the 5 year window. Each of those checks, each of those expense recordings is likely a chargable offense which explains the number of counts potentially. This is such a speculative game right now, but that is my guess.

Too interesting not to discuss, but yes, premature.

 

[davidallen]

Too interesting not to discuss, but yes, premature.

Wouldn't it be something if this comes down to Trump slow rolling paying back Cohen?

Another lesson learned - don't be a deadbeat when it comes to reimbursing your fixer...