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Interesting, because on point number one, you can blame GRRM. On the after-show, D&D said that he told them the fate of Shireen.
But not by who. In the books it is pretty obvious what will happen to her. However where they are in the books Stannis won't have anything to do with it.
Well Stannis is off the good guy list for sure but I don't agree it was out of character. They have been sitting it up for several weeks. It's all part of GRRM's power corrupts , what people will do to achieve it, and how others pay the cost theme.
- Stannis was shown as a man who loved his daughter but not enough to overcome his quest for power.
- When forced to chose he choose power rationalizing it by calling it his destiny and duty.
- When in fact it was the red priestess that manipulated him into it by spreading the fire Ramsey set.
I thought the scenes with him and his daughter and Davos and his daughter were great. You knew what was happening. The actual burning scene was the toughest to watch yet. It's all about the corruption of power and the cost.
Likewise I thought the Dani storyline was great. The CGI of the dragon was incredible. If you have a problem with the harpys not attacking in mass you must have a problem with every action movie made in the last fifty years. The hero's always fight them off one by one. They killed Hizdar because they viewed his as a trader for marrying Dani.
Finally getting a little payoff in the whole Drone plot. They are taking both Myrcella and the Prince back to Kings Landing which set's up an interesting season six. Overall still a disappointing part of the season.
Finally looks like Arya going to cross another name off his list next week.
Overall I thought it was a great episode. Certainly a shocker and uncomfortable in many ways but that's what GOT is. It pushes the limits in every way.
I'm guessing they killed Hizdar because they don't fully know how he became her husband. They may feel that he betrayed them to become king. Plus he was kind of a wormy dude, probably wasn't like much by the others before she came to the city.
Had they let him live, they could have developed the part of the story where he tries to take over as ruler of Mereen now that she is out of the picture.
Aint nobody got time fo that.
I think it was just to make reopening the fighting pits make more sense. She needed someoen to keep pushing her along while she was a spectator too. Plus, just a nod to book readers.
I'm interested to see how Jorah, Tyrion and the rest survive without Danny there.
Overall, I liked the fighting pits scene. My biggest complaint was how the Unsullied went from great fighters to Harpy bait real quick.
No one has been talking about this here for obvious reasons, but I want to talk about grayscale. How exactly is it communicated? Does someone have to touch the actual mark, or just be touched with someone with it? Because they made a pretty obvious showing of Jorah taking Dany's hand and then Dany taking Missandei's hand in the arena.
No one has been talking about this here for obvious reasons, but I want to talk about grayscale. How exactly is it communicated? Does someone have to touch the actual mark, or just be touched with someone with it? Because they made a pretty obvious showing of Jorah taking Dany's hand and then Dany taking Missandei's hand in the arena.
One thing I didn't get was how did Drogon get weakened by a few spears? I thought dragons eyes where the only weak point on them. I thought it was weak sauce that a few spears almost took him down. I thought they kinda made the dragon seem a bit to weak IMO. I just felt like we were lead to believe that unless Dani rode away on him he would die. Were in the books she flies away on him to save herself not the Dragon. Also if they are so weak what is now stopping the Sons of the Harpy from killing the other two. This episode felt a bit sloppy after last weeks.
I will have to read it again, but I think at least 1 of the spears was lodged in Drogon's back and Dani used it to hang on in the books. But, I do agree that he seemed weaker that I would expect. I kept expecting him to get hit by a spear then pretty much decimate everyone not around Dani. But, he would turn and kill 1 or 2 then just stand there are roar until the next spear hit him.
Well there is a theory on how Stannis's daughter will die in the books now that GRRM said she does die in the books also. The theory I saw was that Melisandre will go and burn her to bring Jon Snow back to life. Now that is believable IMO vs what was thrown at us last night. The more I think about it the less it makes since really. A guy who ate rats for a year until Davos (Onion Knight) was able to sneak in supplies would just burn his daughter at the first sign of hardship.
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Just looking at HBO's handling of Stannis from a different point of view. Think about this.
In both the book and the show, Davos has been portrayed as a man who knows that Stannis has flaws but is Stannis' man because he thinks that Stannis is in the right and mostly does the things he does for the right reasons. He thinks that Stannis' faith in Melisandre (and the Lord of Light) can sometimes lead him astray and it is up to Davos to make Stannis open his eyes rather than be blinded by M and her god. Davos thinks of Stannis as a very determined and stubborn man, but also as a fair man who is fighting for justice and what is right. He does not approve of the way Renly was eliminated from the picture, but attributes that to Melisandre manipulating Stannis. He stopped Stannis from burning Edric Storm (book)/Gendry (HBO) by spiriting him away before it could happen. When he does this, he knows that he is betraying Stannis, but also suspects that Stannis will not punish him because he (Stannis) really doesn't want to burn an innocent boy and will be ultimately relieved that Davos prevented him from doing something that is immoral and unjust.
Now, let's look at where HBO has left the Davos/Stannis relationship. Can you imagine a scenario where Davos is going to act as Stannis' unwavering supporter/agent? That would not be in character with the Davos HBO has depicted. The Davos that Stannis had to use a pretense to eliminate him from the picture so he could burn Shirreen. Maybe HBO has plans to eliminate Davos from the group of people backing Stannis. If they bring him back into the fold, it is going to take some creative writing or it is going to be another example of one of their characters not acting consistent with the character they have developed to this point.
While I do think this will be the end of Stannis/Davos I think it was pretty clear Davos knew Shireen was in danger. I'm not sure what he could have done but he left knowing something was up.
I don't think he knew exactly what was happening but to me it was extremely clear he knew something was up and she was in danger (unless I completely bungled the scene).
I don't know that Davos 100% believed Stannis would burn his daughter. However, Davos is no stranger to the red lady's obsession with King's blood and there aren't many options left in that regard.
- He thinks it is extremely odd Stannis wants to send him on the mission. He tries to get out of it. To me he can tell Stannis wants to get him out of the camp.
- He then immediately suggests to take Shireen with him. For Davos to want to take Shireen on a long trek through the North in winter to the Wall makes me think he knew she was not safe with her father.
- I thought their last conversation was one where Davos knew he might not see her again.