“There are a lot of unanswered questions,” Senator Ron Wyden says. The Oregon Democrat has spent months pushing the N.R.A. to explain the sources of its foreign contributions. The gun group’s responses shifted from saying it had received only one contribution from a Russian person [URL='https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra-received-contribution-1000-russian/story?id=54080082']in six years; to acknowledging 23 Russian-related contributions since 2015 totaling a little more than $2,500; to shutting down communications with Wyden. “’Shifting’ is a diplomatic way to put it,” the senator says. “They have flipped more times than a kid on a summer diving board. . . . The notion that all of these important oligarchs who had involvement with the N.R.A. and were close to Putin were spending money on a few magazine subscriptions doesn’t strike me as very plausible.” (The N.R.A. did not return a call for comment, but a spokesman has said previously that the group’s contacts with Russian figures had nothing to do with its spending in American political campaigns.) [/URL]
“COINCIDENCE NUMBER 395”: THE N.R.A. SPENT $30 MILLION TO ELECT TRUMP. WAS IT RUSSIAN MONEY?
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OMG! Russia is everywhere! Have they infiltrated the Chamber of Commerce? Catholic Charities? The American Legion? The National Football League? The D.A.R.? Is my neighbor a Russian spy? Where’s Joe McCarthy when you need him?
No, this is the first time I’ve heard about this brewing scandal. I’m not understanding the logic. Russia donates to an organization that wants to arm the American people. Why? Won’t that make it more difficult for them to defeat us when they invade?
Quite a bit of good reporting about Russia's motivations and objectives here and abroad. Check out the WaPo transcript from 2016 of the house leadership acknowledging it.
They want nationalism and fewer international alliances, and are seeking to destabilize and split western democracies. A weaker world = stronger Russia. They're damned good at it, too, particularly when they have american politicians to help them.
As I said earlier where’s good old Joe McCarthy when we need him? Who do you suggest should be our modern version of good old Joe? Maybe Hillary? She might be the perfect female version.
So you haven't followed the facts but are content to sit back and call it McCarthyism. Strong opinions and unashamed of being uninformed... almost... deplorable?
Sys are you losing any weight on your pure bullshit diet?
That’s me! I’m one of those infamous deplorables!
Didn’t Joe McCarthy see commies behind every rock? Aren’t you and yours seeing them now? I know it’s deplorable to say, but I see a similarity there.
Really? You mean there were commies behind every rock? Hell, maybe sys is onto something. There may be Rooskies everywhere. I’m going to go check under my bed. We can’t be too careful!
It's the same ol. "Better not have an oreo or you'll eat a 5 lb bag of sugar" argument, huh?
I'd be down for a little red scare as opposed to openly siding with a despot over the U.S.A.
They have completely infiltrated the left, and have the strongest voice in academia, and the media.
The media doesn't even blink an eye that a former FBI director (Brennan) voted for a commie for POTUS. In fact, he's a principled hero.
That comment was not aimed at you. I was spoofing sys. Maybe he wants to be the next Joe McCarthy. He even sees commies taking over the NRA. By the way, I didn’t find any Russians under my bed. I’m gonna check my closet next. Does anybody have any ideas where I should look after that?
If you pile sarcasm on top of being unashamed of being uninformed you can almost hear the banjos....
Wow.
@Ponca Dan You are SKYROCKETING up the messages board learning curve!!
You've pretty much brutalized everybody ITT!
Kudos!
@Ponca Dan You are SKYROCKETING up the messages board learning curve!!
You've pretty much brutalized everybody ITT!
Kudos!
Don't you also see communists and/or socialists behind every rock? How many threads do you start on that subject?
It seems sometimes that you (and a few other posters on here) want to be the next Joe McCarthy. I mean, just look at this post...
2cents, I speak for myself only. What I see is a philosophical argument between collectivists and individualists. I side with the individualists. You sit on the other side.
As I point out repeatedly, as an individualist I am perfectly content for you and yours to practice all the collectivism, all the socialism, all the communism, all the welfare statism, all the authoritarianism you want. Just keep it amongst yourselves.
Unfortunately you collectivists don’t see society that way. For you society must establish a government that will brutalize anyone that rejects your mandates.
The links I post and the comments I make are in an attempt to persuade anyone on the fence to see the results of those societies that follow your path.
I am well aware that people such as you and sys are not to be dissuaded from your beliefs, any more than I am. My comments on this board are not aimed at you. They are aimed at anyone who will look at the opposing philosophies with an open mind. It is my hope they will see the correctness of what I advocate.
Is this a yes, you do see communists and/or socialists behind every rock like McCarthy?
I don't want government to brutalize anyone.
You consistently misrepresent my position and the position of those who believe in differing levels of government action. Perhaps you should try to refrain from doing that in the future.
Thanks for the advice! I’ll take it into consideration.
1). No, I don’t see nefarious commies behind every rock. That would be sys and the Democratic Party.
2). You may not want government to brutalize anyone. In your heart I’m sure you don’t want that. Unfortunately that is what government does to anyone who defies it. More government begets more defiance. More defiance begets more brutalization. You may not like hearing it, but the truth is the truth.
And with that pearl of wisdom I am done for the day. The old ball and chain is dragging me out to complete her list of chores.
I am part of the Democratic Party and I don't see nefarious commies behind every rock. Nor do I see any Democrat worrying about "commies."
I do want to know the extent of Russian (not commies) interference in the 2016 election though. I also want to make sure they don't interfere in our future elections. And I would think you would want the same thing as an American.
Does an unconstrained free market brutalize some people?
You seem to speak and think in absolutes and/or extremes (especially as it relates to government). Not much allowance for positions of moderation and/or integration with you.
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He’s been asked this exact question at least twice.
Once by me, once by @davidallen.
Maybe the third time is the charm, but I doubt it.
Which part of this is BS?
I dig old Ron but he does need to work on his narrative: "They have flipped more times than a kid on a summer diving board. . . ."
Why is the NRA so reluctant to detail foreign contributions? Hell, they make the Clinton Foundation look like the champions of transparency - what are they afraid of?
Fourth time.
S: Dan, I want you to chronicle the abuses of private enterprise, and then let's have an intellectually honest discusson. You just continually demonize any attempt at collective action in favor of utopia. My gawd. If you're intellectually honest, you'll give us an objective overview of the abuses of capitalism.
And a preemptive fvck off to you wingnuts that say I'm advocating governmental control of everything. It's always one extreme or another for you wingnuts.
PD: Your pointed question was what, list all abuses made by capitalists and then defend those abuses? I’ll pass.
PD: Because whatever abuses you might wrangle up almost certainly happened by people acting in collusion with their government. And any such abuse pales in comparison to abuses perpetrated by government.
He's got his narrative and that's that.
They are a civil liberties organization. I know you guys think they are some sinister lobbyist superpower but they are pretty average in that regard and like it or not they are protecting your constitutionally rights.
Yes, I’ve got my narrative. My narrative says I will engage with you if you want to point out abuses by free enterprises that were practiced without government collusion.
Are you claiming you don’t have a narrative which you stick to, and that’s that? Is there any person on this board that is without a narrative which they stick to and that’s that?
While you are engaging in an ad hominem attack I must tell you it’s not much of an attack.
Point out abuses by free enterprises that were practiced without government collusion while at the same time claiming there has never been the exercise of free enterprise without influence from a state.
The classic passive aggressive circular argument....straight out of the handbook..
OMG. Those ****ers just never stop. Now they have hacked our grocery stores.
While I was running errands with my wife yesterday I’m positive I saw a Russian hiding behind a tree outside the mall. And once inside the mall I swear there was a Russian sales lady in the Dillard’s perfume department. And another one lurking in the food court. Is Russia infiltrating our malls? Who should I call to report this new crisis? Patrons of malls in America beware! Be afraid! Be very afraid!
