Very eye opening for those that believe the lies being told by the Propagandist Media.
Worth the watch. The War in Ukraine
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Fascinating and terrifying interview, filled with more truth than most Americans would want to hear or believe. The best line, IMO, came when he was talking about politicians and their donors, that politicians are there to serve the interests of their donors, not the American people, that their purpose is to give the donors whatever they desire. "If the donors were cannibals the politicians would feed the American people to them." Best line I've heard in a long long time.
The war in Ukraine is nothing more than a money laundering operation for the politicians and their donors. Always has been and will be until we get these grifting POSs out of office. That's both Democrats and many of the Republicans.
US intelligence says Ukraine's offensive a failure - Asia Times
The US intelligence community says Ukraine’s offensive has failed by not reaching its stated objective, to take the city of Melitopol. According to
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More depressing news. Eventually even the most ardent Ukraine supporter is going to figure out they were duped again.
US intelligence says Ukraine's offensive a failure - Asia Times
The US intelligence community says Ukraine’s offensive has failed by not reaching its stated objective, to take the city of Melitopol. According to
More depressing news. Eventually even the most ardent Ukraine supporter is going to figure out they were duped again.
Nope......
Lots more time to take Mariupol, if that was the real goal to begin with. I wouldn't trust the US INtelligence community anymore than most of the people on this board trust cho xiden. We shall see how things turn out, but the ROI for money/equipment sent to Ukraine far outweighs the possibility of US boots on the ground.
You watch if Trump gets elected & the house remains in R control & the senate gets to 50-50 or majority R. The money & equipment will keep flowing. Right now the conservatives are just doing the opposite of the imbecile biden for re-election points. As long as we are sending billions to China, Brazil & a plethora of other countries that never will have the US best interests, it is very difficult for me to get upset about sending money & supplies to a country fighting for their survival after the US & UK stuck it up their poop shoot in 1994.
“He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.”– Sun Tzu
I'm sorry that Putin shit down both legs and humiliated himself and Trump in the process. I know the cult feels like they need to support him, but Ukraine, with USA and NATO help, really have delivered a hell of an uppercut to a savage war criminal. There will be no more Russian invasions, because Putin has lost his ass.
Thanks, US of A. We just aren't good at tolerating fascism, never been our strong suit. That's why Trump got his ass kicked after one term, lol.
Cheer up guys -- Trump will probably be on parole in time to declare his 2028 candidacy. Maybe Eric can get us all over the finish line in '24?
Thanks, US of A. We just aren't good at tolerating fascism, never been our strong suit. That's why Trump got his ass kicked after one term, lol.
Cheer up guys -- Trump will probably be on parole in time to declare his 2028 candidacy. Maybe Eric can get us all over the finish line in '24?
Don’t sell yourself short.
You personally are great at tolerating and supporting fascism.
I assume you've been following things closely. How much more time do you think it will take for Ukraine to take Mariupol? At what cost in their soldiers' lives? Do you think the cost will be worth it? What happens after they take Mariupol? Where do they go from there? What happens if they don't take Mariupol?
PD, you are correct I follow things very closely & talk to my friends in Ukraine quite often. I have no idea how long it will take to make it to Mariupol, but remember as long as they can interdict the main highway from Mariupol (or even Berdyansk) to Crimea & destroy the Kerch Bridge (or severely limit it capabilities), they don't have to really do much more. Being on the defensive with little support, low motivation, terrible leadership, subpar supplies & being shelled & attacked all the time isn't the best situation especially if exploited correctly.
It is just my opinion, but if they can choke off supplies to that area from the Dnieper River to the Black Sea, over to the Kerch Bridge & then back up to Mariupol that is an untenable position for the bolsheviks & they will have to surrender the land & retreat. Domestically who knows what will happen in russia if they suffer that fate or something resembling that fate. What is really hard to know currently is what the economic conditions are in russia.
I'm not even sure what to say about you asking is it worth the cost of Ukrainian soldiers lives. They are fighting for their homes, family & country. Many of them are dying because the countries supplying them munitions/equipment screwed around long enough to let the dam orcs build up minefields & emplacements. While I will mourn each Ukrainian soldier & civilian that dies, for the dam orcs I have no such feelings, they are the same scumbag cloud of locust they have always been. An alleged army filled with murders, rapists, thief's & uneducated fools whose fate was sealed long ago.
The extensive minefields & emplacements will be useless though once the Ukrainian military gets through the first defensive band of mines. Then you can roll those positions up with enfilading fire. My guess is once that happens the military formations for the russian that have poor leadership & no motivation will break & run which will unhinge the whole defensive line.
The intelligence experts have been wrong more often than right in this war. The Ukrainians continue to adjust to the situations as they see fit. Battle plans usually survive until first contact so it is said. We'll see how things work out, but leaks from the US intelligence agencies without any attributed source, is in my opinion, just BS.
Russia can keep this up for years, how long can Ukraine?
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At any case what you are saying is almost 180 degrees opposite of MacGregor in this interview. Did you watch it? I would encourage you to do so. But be forewarned: if your emotional attachment is what I perceive it to be it will trigger from beginning to end. When it comes to this war I don’t think you two agree on a single thing.
Thank you. As always I appreciate your thoughts on this topic. I asked about the cost in Ukrainian soldiers’ lives because if Douglas MacGregor is correct that they have already lost 400,000 men, or even if he’s exaggerating by a factor of 2 and the loss is closer to 200,000, that is an enormous cost. To turn your “Russian” analysis regarding Russian soldiers’ willingness to fight and apply it to Ukrainian soldiers from far west Ukraine, say those from near the Polish border, their attitude may be less inspired to get killed fighting on behalf of a section of eastern Ukraine that is filled with culturally Russian speaking Ukrainians. I’m not saying that’s the case, just addressing the possibility.
At any case what you are saying is almost 180 degrees opposite of MacGregor in this interview. Did you watch it? I would encourage you to do so. But be forewarned: if your emotional attachment is what I perceive it to be it will trigger from beginning to end. When it comes to this war I don’t think you two agree on a single thing.
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How about a new one for you lefties?
Why not try GO USA for once?
Putin would definitely join that sentiment in our current context. The thousands of dead Ukrainians might not.
Actually the ones who’ve been killed probably would join that sentiment if it meant they’d still be alive.
Actually, they'd probably resent themselves being killed, along with their families and friends being killed, raped, and dispossessed in the name of Russia's imposed "peace."
Submit to murder, rape, plunder, terrorism, censorship, let it happen to your family and call it... "peace." Hell that's right wing, it ain't America! Cult much?
Joe wants to smell yer hair. Might give him another year or two.
You should read about what the US Troops have done. Start with Germany towards the end of WW2.
Planes, yes. Reality isn't really consistent with utopian anarchy by definition, Dan.
I watched the video yesterday & simply wasn't that impressed & got tired of writing things down that I disagree with. But to start out here are a few.
1. he says "we think" the Ukrainians have lost 400,000 KIA. What & who thinks this? What hard information do they have to support this? I trust the UK MOD information much more than the US "intelligence" & "experts." If those numbers are correct, then Ukraine is losing 733 KIA a day. In World War II the US lost an average of between 350 - 400 KIA's a day for reference. So 400,000 KIA for Ukraine is also a load of BS designed to manipulate peoples opinion that what the US/NATO are doing is pointless & needs to be stopped.
2. You keep throwing out, as does this "expert" that there are russian speaking Ukrainians...BFD! They reside in the territorial boundaries of Ukraine so they are Ukrainians. If they don't like that then GTFO. It is also always brought up about how the russians are treated by Ukraine/Ukrainian government. Just out of curiosity what do you think happened to Ukrainians who resided in the DNR & LHR when Wagner group led the breakaway revolt in 2014? I personally now people who had all their possessions taken & were kicked out of those areas. Are you aware that after WWII when some of the russian jews that had survived concentration camps went home to reclaim their property they were murdered by people who had moved in & now claimed the dispossessed Jews possessions as their own. This was the same excuse the bolsheviks used to take Abkhazia & South Ossetia in the Republic of Georgia. This is the same argument that russian speakers in Transnistria are claiming now when in fact territory actually belongs to Moldova. If Putin wasn't an avid nationalist I might by into some of this this, but he is & he wants to bring back the glory days of the old USSR.
3. If Ukrainian soldiers are surrendering in droves why are the russians not creating massive propaganda campaigns around this? I mean at the start of the summer offensive they created videos' purportedly showing russians destroying western tanks & fighting vehicles when in fact some of the video's were totally bogus. One showed them destroying a John Deere combine. The propaganda value of Ukrainian soldiers surrendering for better medical treatment & to survive, while russian troops are left in the fields to bleed to death is ridiculous.
4. Of course he brought up the Nuclear war scare. I said it early on & continue to say it. There will be no nuclear activities in this war.
5. I do agree with him about the US/NATO military preparedness or really lack thereof. I disagree that there are 300,000 russian troops waiting in reserve to fight US/NATO troops which of course is never going to happen. That is analogous to buying a new car then leaving it in the garage because your worried someone might hit you. Just a dumb take on his part.
6. as far as the political slush funds certainly that is happening to some degree. To what degree though, who really knows. Hell solyndra, Lordstown EV & many other entities do that right here in the US. Federal government backs some BS scheme dumps a ton of tax dollars into the "business" & gets some percentage back for their re-election campaigns while the business itself falls on its ass & goes bankrupt.
7. His assessment of Ukrainian troops being "swept away" in the north is a lie, flat & simple. The dam russians have advanced at the most 14 kilometers near Kupyansk. This is a completely diversionary move to try & draw frontline Ukrainian troops from around Bakhmut & the south. If they were "sweeping away" Ukrainian troops then they would already be in Kharkiv, Kupyansk & Sloviansk. They can't push too far out because their supply lines would be exposed to constant harassment & even being severed which would result in another encirclement & annihilation.
8. his assertion that had Ukraine sat down & talked peace last March & that all russia/putin would have wanted is to keep the two breakaway republics & get a guarantee of neutrality from Ukraine is just a giant load of crap. I'm shocked anyone would say that let along this military "expert."
9. Uh the russian doesn't have unlimited supplies of artillery shells & missiles either, nor are they completely on war footing with factories running 24/7. That is a lie. If you look hard enough you'll find that russia was in NK trying to secure 152 mm rounds. Which apparently they were successful at.
https://www.eupoliticalreport.eu/the-cult-of-inhumanity/ pretty good description of the russian now & their citizens.
the russian has a long history of abusing, starving, killing & deporting people from eastern europe. They have a history of flooding conquered territories (think the baltic states) with their mongoloid race as well. Memories in those areas are very long & no one trust those bastards, least of all putin.
I read a number of websites, blogs & other information each morning, plus have a number of friends in Ukraine. Some are in the military & one is even a doctor in Kyiv. To the person they are not wanting to give up & expect to win.
If you want to look for a silver lining here the russian & chinese economies are in the tank & probably going to get worse. This should for the near future drive a stake in the whole BRICS movement because realistically who would want to have an organization backed by currencies such as the ruble & yuan.
In the grand scheme of things, I'm much more comfortable sending my tax dollars & donations to Ukraine, than almost everywhere else, save Israel. I completely understand though that many of the folks on this board are against supporting Ukraine & appreciate that.
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I don’t believe the Ukrainian people are being fed the truth.
I don’t believe the Russians are being fed the truth.
I don’t believe we’re being fed the truth.
But there is enough bs out there to defend any position one chooses to take.
Our government lies without compunction and games it’s own people so how am I supposed to know who/what’s right or wrong?
They lie constantly, but everything about Russia is the truth?
Quite a quandary.
I don’t believe the Russians are being fed the truth.
I don’t believe we’re being fed the truth.
But there is enough bs out there to defend any position one chooses to take.
Our government lies without compunction and games it’s own people so how am I supposed to know who/what’s right or wrong?
They lie constantly, but everything about Russia is the truth?
Quite a quandary.
Self awareness is not your strong suite
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