They apparently knew where the shooter was relatively quickly. Why all the wasted time entering the room? They couldn't get a sniper to shoot him?
Why all the delay in taking out the shooter?
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Looks like the suspect was shooting for about 10 minutes. The first officers arrived at the room in about 12 minutes and evacuated neighboring rooms.
But by that time, the suspect was no longer an active shooter and the need for immediate contact diminishes. If the suspect starts firing again, that’s a different story. It took another hour before they actually entered the room. But you have the suspect contained, so you might as well wait for the better equipped SWAT guys to arrive to do it.
The notion of a counter sniper taking out the suspect isn’t a bad idea, but that’s going to take a lot more time than most people realize. And as it turned out, he had already stopped shooting long before a sniper would have been set up.
1. It's not an either breach or either snipe analysis -- try both. 2. Why would it take up more time? The logistics of shooting a sniper rifle are a lot faster and simpler than a breach from the sound of it. You need a stable platform and there are hundreds of windows facing the shooter from 2 - 3 different hotels. Presumably you need to evacuate all the Mandalay rooms in the area for either plan.
We're assuming they did NOT try that, also. They may have tried it.
Their order was always the same. He’d get a venti mocha cappuccino and she a medium caramel macchiato.
Figures. Law enforcement should've been on alert when he repeatedly ordered a "venti mocha cappuccino." Don't ever trust men that drink these pussy coffee drinks.
Figures. Law enforcement should've been on alert when he repeatedly ordered a "venti mocha cappuccino." Don't ever trust men that drink these pussy coffee drinks.
I’d have to know a lot more about the neighborhood layout than I do to provide an answer to a lot of this. I recall that Mandalay Bay is at the south end of the strip, so I don’t know if his room faced south (more limited counter sniper locations) or what.
Another issue is range. Not sure how far away your chosen sniper location is going to be. Seeing into that room to take your shot is another problem when you don’t know if anybody else is in there. Maybe he’s got help, but maybe there’s a hostage. Who knows. But when you launch a bullet his direction, you better know where it’s headed to in case of a miss. Now you’re evacuating more rooms and maybe even the building next door depending upon proximity.
I can “what if” with you for a while on this, but ultimately we don’t have a good enough grasp on the area to come up with a Plan B at this point.
And maybe they did think about this. Who knows. As you have pointed out, we lack info.
I understand he was standing back from the window to shoot which could hid his muzzle flash and make him a more difficult target. Or maybe he was just afraid of heights.
Yeah, that’s difficult. And you have those reflective glass panels so you can’t see into the room. Just a tough scenario. WIth the limited info I have, I like the Vegas cops’ plan a lot.
This link will give you a better sense of the timeline.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-stephen-paddock-mandalay-bay/
After the security guard was shot and officers arrived on the 32nd floor, there was no more gun fire. If the shooting were continuing, they would have done what was necessary to breach the room and engage the shooter immediately. But keep in mind what the officers knew they were facing at that time, the possibility of automatic rifles. A hallway full of dead cops isn't going to get anything done. Good planning and good execution keeps the bad guy(s) from winning.
The officers had to assume he was waiting in the room to open fire on them when they attempted to make entry, which is why they used an explosive to breach the door. Kicking or ramming the door creates an obvious target for the shooter. I'm not certain what they used to breach the door, but since it was a steel hotel room door, I would guess they used two 1 liter IV bags of saline sandwiching det cord to get the job done.
Regarding the sniper, you have to have a target to shoot. Since there were reportedly no gun shots heard after Paddock fired at the security guard, it's likely that he actually killed himself at that point and thus was never visible in the windows. We may not hear any details regarding snipers since law enforcement usually likes to keep that info out of public view for obvious reasons.
Take all of this info with a bunch of doubt since I'm no expert on any of this stuff.
Probably all academic if he was firing for only 10ish minutes.
There has been so much bad information. If he only fired for 10 minutes wth was he doing in there the rest of the time? Were they communicating with him? Was he calling someone? What happened?
There has been so much bad information. If he only fired for 10 minutes wth was he doing in there the rest of the time? Were they communicating with him? Was he calling someone? What happened?
Probably assuming room temperature.
I know nothing, but I can't imagine choosing formulating an attack on someone with cameras and machine guns down a hallway verses shooting him from a half mile.
You make a point about the timeline -- he may have killed himself much earlier than when the popo finally blew his door.
Deploying a sniper to take a shot like that takes more time than you probably realize. The vast majority of engagements in the civilian population are within 250 yards. Again, we probably won't hear much about any sniper activity.
@Been Jammin thinks you should stop asking questions and accept the official story as it's spoonfed to us. Thoughts?
@MegaPoke sees conspiracy theories everywhere. Thoughts?
That is actually a conspiracy theory you just posted. Surely you are too smart to believe that.
1. Shameless stealing of my sheep. You're supposed to be artistic but you coopt Looney Tunes and now the sheep. Shameless. You should go sit in a dark room for the entire weekend and see inspiration from within.
2. If the photos and basic facts being reported are accurate and the dude only shot for 10 minutes I can't see how any other people are necessary to do what he did.
