https://www.newsweek.com/white-nati..._a3Mv85vJFUg6_lScxtI4tVFHz0DZ2Ld89oaBWwak23WA
Questions, comments or concerns?
Questions, comments or concerns?
White nationalism is as much a threat to the U.S. as ISIS, FBI open investigations show
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First immediate thought would be not all domestic terrorism investigations are white nationalist subjects.
I personally know that a chunk of those eco-terrorism related like Earth First and ALF.
Second immediate thought sheer number of cases opened isn’t a very good metric for evaluating threat levels. Lot of other considerations would have to be made.
I personally know that a chunk of those eco-terrorism related like Earth First and ALF.
Second immediate thought sheer number of cases opened isn’t a very good metric for evaluating threat levels. Lot of other considerations would have to be made.
Can't say that any of them are really much of a threat. For the most part it's the federal government empire building.
I personally think it's time to dissolve a lot of the anti-terror tactics and just accept that there's a very small risk in this country.
I personally think it's time to dissolve a lot of the anti-terror tactics and just accept that there's a very small risk in this country.
The link about systemic problems at the FBI in the article.
I'm sure, nudie pics were the main issue.
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Within constitutional limits, I think you’d struggle to find anyone not happy to have these ideologies sniffed out.
I’m not sure what you’re hoping for here.
I’m not sure what you’re hoping for here.
I dunno. I'd figure white folks would naturally have a higher number of people engaged in nefarious stuff since they do make up the majority of the population. Per capita numbers in the US might be a better look.
Also, I would figure it would matter what was actually being investigated and what the breakdown of "domestic terrorism" includes. Are all domestic terrorist threats from white nationalists? Most? Some? None of that is answered in the linked article.
Oh, my bad. I get it now. Let's not talk factually. Let's do the feels thing. I got ya covered...
Oh girl.Oh, my bad. I get it now. Let's not talk factually. Let's do the feels thing. I got ya covered...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/magazine/FBI-charlottesville-white-nationalism-far-right.html
I'll read it and get back to you with my thoughts. It better have good facts and sources to digest. If it's a long article short on facts, you're going to see my disappointed face.
Good read so far. I'm in the ADL report referenced in the article.
Some interesting things from it so far...
Extremist killings by year
2015 - 69
2016 - 71
2017 - 34
Their list of 2017 incidents is interesting. Some of them are clearly related to some "ideology." Others make me wonder if it wasn't criminal shitbags just being criminal shitbags, assuming most people who fit the definition of extremist are probably all around criminal shitbags.
Examples...
- Putnam County Georgia, June 13, 2017. Ricky Dubose, a member of the Ghostface Gangsters white supremacist prison gang, and another inmate, Donnie Russell Rowe, reportedly killed two corrections officers while trying to escape from a prison bus. They were later recaptured.
- Dallas, Texas, May 1, 2017. Black nationalist Derick Lamont Brown killed his godfather, with whom he shared a house, and wounded a neighbor and a paramedic before killing himself after police arrived.
- Lafayette, Indiana, January 16, 2017. Wesley Andrew Hampton, a self-declared white supremacist, and another defendant allegedly robbed and murdered a man in a home invasion.
- Tampa, Florida, May 19, 2017.White supremacist Devon Arthurs allegedly shot to death two of his roommates for making fun of his recent conversion to Islam. All three, and a fourth roommate, were members of Atomwaffen, a neo-Nazi group.
That last one was crazy when it happened. One of the guys I talk to a lot on the Twitter dot com machine is an investigative reporter specializing in radicalized militias. He had talked to these guys before as he was doing research into AtomWaffen. Crazy stories Jake has seen.
OK, the ADL further breaks down "ideology" vs "non-ideology" killings.
https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/murder-and-extremism-in-the-united-states-in-2017#the-murders
Yeah, wtf? A white supremacist converts to Islam and then kills his white supremacist buddies? That has to be something in the "that never happens" file.
OK, now I'm reading less fact and more feels...
"There are serious civil liberties concerns with any broad surveillance of social media, German says. What’s also true, he notes, is that the volume of white-supremacist-related content is overwhelmingly high. “There are relatively few Americans voicing their support for ISIS online. But there are millions of racists, anti-Semites, Islamophobes, homophobes and xenophobes who engage in eliminationist rhetoric about the communities of people they fear and hate every day on social media and radio talk shows."
Good recap of the “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” report shitshow. That had the conspiracy buffs and Republicans all fluffed up.
Definitely has been a disconnect in federal law enforcement as to what "domestic terrorism" is.
"When I spoke to Johnson, he felt it was not his place to call Roof a terrorist. There isn’t a crime of “domestic terrorism” to charge someone with. “There is a certain type of violent extremism that is by nature more of a matter for law enforcement, and another that is about engaging communities at the local level,” he said. But the country’s chief law-enforcement official at the time, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, also didn’t call Roof a terrorist — though she did note that his mass shooting, which she was prosecuting as a hate crime, seemed to meet the definition of terrorism. “Hate crimes are the original domestic terrorism,” she said. James Comey, then director of the F.B.I., wasn’t sure. Terrorism, he stated in June 2015, was “more of a political act,” and he didn’t see the Charleston shooting as political. Even after a racist manifesto Roof penned surfaced online stating his intent to “protect the white race” by instigating a race war, Comey still wasn’t sure it met the definition. “I only operate in a legal framework,” he told HuffPost."
Wholeheartedly agree. We focused on Islamic terror and put OKC type terror on the back burner.
Huh??? There's no link in the article to support this...
"Fears’s views aren’t unique — roughly 22 million Americans call it “acceptable” to hold neo-Nazi or white-supremacist views, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll taken in the wake of Charlottesville in August 2017. Roughly the same number of people, about 10 percent of Americans, said they supported the “alt-right”; about half of those polled said they were against it."
Then sprinkle it with anecdote that implies that Confederate flags, American flags, Blue Lives Matter, and shiny new trucks might equal white supremacists. That gets a firm eye roll.
"Driving around Fears’s neighborhood one day, I saw Confederate flags, and American flags, and sometimes a Blue Lives Matter flag, and the black-and-white “Don’t Tread on Me” flag waving from shiny new trucks. I also saw row after row of McMansions, many of them with swimming pools. There were new S.U.V.s parked in the driveways, and boats: signs of money made and money spent. One former high school classmate of Fears’s described the culture as “wannabe redneck.”"
Overall, a decent article. There's obviously a slant to it, and a few head scratching "statistics," but the bulk of the actual factual information regarding numbers comes from the ADL report. I think the information presented about the lack of resources dedicated to domestic terrorism is spot on. With that having been the case, it's very possible that domestic terrorism has actually been under-reported.
It does bring up a very interesting question. How do you surveil domestic terrorist threats? Surveillance of John Q Terrorist communicating with known terrorists in Syria seems much easier to deal with than John Q Terrorist communicating with Jack Q Terrorist in the US.
Here's the actual poll. There's no "22 million Americans" anywhere in it. 5 eye rolls with flaming eye balls.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-aug-16-20-2017/2235/
Ahhh, I was just quoting your post as a way to show continuation of our conversation, not saying huh? to it. My huh? referred to the quote I posted from the article.
Probably a little over estimation but that’s how polls work they take a cross sections of the country and extrapolate their results and apply that the Current population of the country. It’s not exact science but it is political.
I get that, but the article attributes the "roughly 22 million" to the ABC/WaPo poll, not to their own extrapolated guestimation.
