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Elites vs Average Americans
Turchin has mapped out cyclical upheavals based upon "Overproduction of Elites" - when we have too many Elites jockeying for power. We're due for a revolution to flush these "Sincere Totalitarians" down the crapper.

 
Turchin has mapped out cyclical upheavals based upon "Overproduction of Elites" - when we have too many Elites jockeying for power. We're due for a revolution to flush these "Sincere Totalitarians" down the crapper.


Interesting. I've never heard of the guy or his theory. Will order his book and look into it further.
 
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Interesting. I've never heard of the guy or his theory. Will order his book and look into it further.

If you want to get out of the political tropes, check out Hoover.com. Turchin approaches from a modeling perspective, but is essentially saying same thing VDH and Newt are both saying. Deep State is a cluster of Elites - with new "Elite Aspirants" - looking to "make decisions for us".

 
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Elites vs Average Americans
"According to his data, 35 percent of the elite 1 percent (and 69 percent of the politically obsessed elite 1 percent) said they would rather cheat than lose a close election. Among average Americans, 93 percent reject cheating and accept defeat in an honest election."

Everything one needs to know.
 
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"According to his data, 35 percent of the elite 1 percent (and 69 percent of the politically obsessed elite 1 percent) said they would rather cheat than lose a close election. Among average Americans, 93 percent reject cheating and accept defeat in an honest election."

Everything one needs to know.
Which goes back to the John Adams quote. The elites are neither moral or religious.

John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Morality and virtue are the foundation of our republic and necessary for a society to be free.
 
So what is your solution?

Mine would be fire every elite university graduate from public office. Just to be fair I would suggest Lincoln's methodology and fire 3/4 of the beurocarcy. Start from scratch and eliminate positions that are not needed. If you want to know who is not needed just say we are broke and all non essential personnel need to stay home. Then make it permanent.
 
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So what is your solution?

Mine would be fire every elite university graduate from public office. Just to be fair I would suggest Lincoln's methodology and fire 3/4 of the beurocarcy. Start from scratch and eliminate positions that are not needed. If you want to know who is not needed just say we are broke and all non essential personnel need to stay home. Then make it permanent.
Who makes those decisions in your solution?

Ted Cruz is a graduate from an elite university. Should he be banned from a job in the bureaucracy?
 
Who makes those decisions in your solution?

Ted Cruz is a graduate from an elite university. Should he be banned from a job in the bureaucracy?

What would be YOUR solution Ponca?
Or are you happy with things the way they are?
 
Which goes back to the John Adams quote. The elites are neither moral or religious.

John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Morality and virtue are the foundation of our republic and necessary for a society to be free.

It's taken a minute for this to sink in.

For the morally untethered they likely do require a Soviet/Maoist totalitarian governing system since there is no foundational moral fabric.
 
Which describes almo
It's taken a minute for this to sink in.

For the morally untethered they likely do require a Soviet/Maoist totalitarian governing system since there is no foundational moral fabric.
Which describes almost everyone.
 
What might be "unintended consequences" of devolution into anarchy bring?
How could you or anyone listen to what he said and not agree the bureaucracy should be axed? @Tulsaaggieson’s “solution” is to replace the elites he dislikes with elites that will rule (with the same iron fist) in ways he does like: force his “likes” on everybody the same way they are currently forced on him. The point being that as long as the bureaucracy exists (actually as long as government exists) there will be an eternal battle for power. Eliminate the “prize,” the bureaucracy, and you eliminate the struggle.
 
Yes, I know. The question is: would you forbid him from the bureaucracy since he’s from a hated elite school?
Not relevant. He is not part of the bureaucracy. I'm talking about getting rid of those in now.

That being said, if you can assure me that you are not part of the problem then I don't care where you come from after that. This is why I'm for firing 3/4. I would be OK with all and re-apply if you want it to be fair.
 
Not relevant. He is not part of the bureaucracy. I'm talking about getting rid of those in now.

That being said, if you can assure me that you are not part of the problem then I don't care where you come from after that. This is why I'm for firing 3/4. I would be OK with all and re-apply if you want it to be fair.
Are you missing the question on purpose? Let me try another approach. Let’s say Cruz is burning out as a Senator and Trump wants to hire him somewhere in the bureaucracy. Would your solution allow that?
 
How could you or anyone listen to what he said and not agree the bureaucracy should be axed? @Tulsaaggieson’s “solution” is to replace the elites he dislikes with elites that will rule (with the same iron fist) in ways he does like: force his “likes” on everybody the same way they are currently forced on him. The point being that as long as the bureaucracy exists (actually as long as government exists) there will be an eternal battle for power. Eliminate the “prize,” the bureaucracy, and you eliminate the struggle.
Bill and his ceegar will not allow this. Cankles is in agreement. Good luck champ. 👍
 
Are you missing the question on purpose? Let me try another approach. Let’s say Cruz is burning out as a Senator and Trump wants to hire him somewhere in the bureaucracy. Would your solution allow that?
Re read my answer I already answered you.
 
How could you or anyone listen to what he said and not agree the bureaucracy should be axed? @Tulsaaggieson’s “solution” is to replace the elites he dislikes with elites that will rule (with the same iron fist) in ways he does like: force his “likes” on everybody the same way they are currently forced on him. The point being that as long as the bureaucracy exists (actually as long as government exists) there will be an eternal battle for power. Eliminate the “prize,” the bureaucracy, and you eliminate the struggle.
That's not what I wrote. Are you intentionally not comprehending what I wrote?
 
How could you or anyone listen to what he said and not agree the bureaucracy should be axed? @Tulsaaggieson’s “solution” is to replace the elites he dislikes with elites that will rule (with the same iron fist) in ways he does like: force his “likes” on everybody the same way they are currently forced on him. The point being that as long as the bureaucracy exists (actually as long as government exists) there will be an eternal battle for power. Eliminate the “prize,” the bureaucracy, and you eliminate the struggle.
I happen to agree with you on this. Lay off 75% of the Swamp Creatures leaving only enough for basic functions.
Vivek Ramaswamy has a very simple plan - flip a coin if it's heads you lay off all the even SSN's, tails and it's bye bye Odd SSN's - a very simple down sizing. Then start firing deadwood until you're down to 25% of the original number.
 
I happen to agree with you on this. Lay off 75% of the Swamp Creatures leaving only enough for basic functions.
Vivek Ramaswamy has a very simple plan - flip a coin if it's heads you lay off all the even SSN's, tails and it's bye bye Odd SSN's - a very simple down sizing. Then start firing deadwood until you're down to 25% of the original number.
In today’s environment Vivek’s solution has as much chance of being accepted as mine does.
 
What might be "unintended consequences" of devolution into anarchy bring?
Wow I have to side with Dan!?

The constitution tells us what congress is allowed to do in the enumerated powers. About 95% of what gubmint does is unconstitutional. Restrict the bureaucracy to constitutional duties and 95% + of them are gone.

Funny we survived pre-Wilson without such overreach.

Its not anarchy. Its actual federalism with the States in charge of most things and the national gubmint small and insignificant in most peoples everyday lives. Basically, roads, military and making sure the States play nice with each other and respect individual rights (not to be confused with licentiousness .)

Imagine a $1T balanced budget and no income tax.

That's about a 5% sales tax.
 
Which would turn regressive for the poor. Just like a flat tax.


Not a solution.





carry on
LMAO, you leftist don't give a shit about the poor, you use them for your own gain. If you did care you would be raising hell about inflation, which has devastated the poor.
Government could always exclude the poor from paying the 5% if they were concerned a 5% tax were regressive for the poor.
 
Wow I have to side with Dan!?

The constitution tells us what congress is allowed to do in the enumerated powers. About 95% of what gubmint does is unconstitutional. Restrict the bureaucracy to constitutional duties and 95% + of them are gone.

Funny we survived pre-Wilson without such overreach.

Its not anarchy. Its actual federalism with the States in charge of most things and the national gubmint small and insignificant in most peoples everyday lives. Basically, roads, military and making sure the States play nice with each other and respect individual rights (not to be confused with licentiousness .)

Imagine a $1T balanced budget and no income tax.

That's about a 5% sales tax.
I like it. Then you can shop for the State you want to live in.
Freeloaders move to Oregon, California, and Washington. Working folks move to Red states.
P.S. Even a Blind Anarchist occasionally roots out an acorn.
 
I like it. Then you can shop for the State you want to live in.
Freeloaders move to Oregon, California, and Washington. Working folks move to Red states.
P.S. Even a Blind Anarchist occasionally roots out an acorn.
LOL! Well, I am in the beginning stages of macular degeneration, so you may be right.
 
I've provided a solution to the swamp many times. Just disperse it. You'll always have elites ruling. That's been true for the duration of any government for the entirety of history. But if you deconcentrate those elites from 1 location, then you can at least get a blending of ideas and representation from across the country within government rather than your pool of bureaucrats all being drawn from the same 5 zip codes.
 
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Okay. So you’ll fire all the bureaucrats from elite colleges. Will you hire new ones from elite colleges?
An Elite thinking only Elites are smart enough to do the job. I could have sworn, I heard that in the shared video.
 
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