What Are The Boards Thoughts On School Choice?

[2012Bearcat]

GOP lawmakers introduce $10 billion school choice bill ahead of midterm elections - Washington Examiner

EXCLUSIVE — Republican lawmakers introduced twin bills in Congress Thursday that would establish a federal school choice program by enacting a $10 billion tax credit program to fund education scholarships.The Educational Choice for Children Act was introduced by Rep. Jackie Walorski (R-IN) in...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Was reading this article this morning and it got me to thinking. I'm not a big fan of this plan by Republicans but I am a fan of parents, who place value on education, having the ability to put their children into the schools of their choice. Public education has change since I was in school and damn sure not for the better. Schools now days seem to be more interested in social issues than they are instructing kids in traditional academic subjects. People that want their children educated instead of indoctrinated should be able to choose which direction they want for their children IMO.

 

[Corndog2021]

100 percent gotta have it

 

[OKSTATE1]

Public schools are just indoctrination schools anymore. Biden and Pelosi both sent their kids to private schools and yet they are not for school choice.

I pity anyone that can not afford to send their kids to private schools today.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

Public schools are just indoctrination schools anymore. Biden and Pelosi both sent their kids to private schools and yet they are not for school choice.

I pity anyone that can not afford to send their kids to private schools today.

I'm a harsh critic of our costly, miserable and failing public education system. I've quizzed hundreds of educators in 47 states. I always began with, do you think you can teach me to count money? 99% of the time they answer, "yes." 99% of the time, my few seconds demonstration quickly proves they were never taught the structure and history of the US buck. They have no idea how the dollar works.

Usually question 2 was, since primates have walked the earth, how much of our water supply have we exhausted? Name the smartest of all the primates. I learned this at Lawton Taft Elementary before gov-ed. 98% could tell me to whom Brad Pitt was married.

We need school choice.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I think taking money from already strapped public schools and funneling it to private institutions isn’t a long term viable solution.

Especially if those private schools get to be selective in their enrollment. If you take public money then you abide by public school rules.

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

Conservatism is an interesting concept on this board sometimes lol

 

[2012Bearcat]

I think taking money from already strapped public schools and funneling it to private institutions isn’t a long term viable solution.

Especially if those private schools get to be selective in their enrollment. If you take public money then you abide by public school rules.

I see taking money away from public schools as a positive, not a negative. IMO if public schools rufuse to stop with the social indoctrination and get back to educating their money should be massively reduced. It's the only way to get their attention and let them know this social indoctrination BS has got to stop.

 

[OKSTATE1]

I think taking money from already strapped public schools and funneling it to private institutions isn’t a long term viable solution.

Especially if those private schools get to be selective in their enrollment. If you take public money then you abide by public school rules.

My Dad paid his real estate taxes to fund the local public schools, basically the Putnam City school district in OKC back in the 60's and 70's. It was at one time the largest HS in Oklahoma. He always wanted a tax credit for that since he was paying for me to go to a private school and taking me out of the public school system and the cost for them to educate me. Seems only fair to me, and my private school education cost far more than the real estate taxes he was paying. So, allowing this might open up the private school system to those who might be able to afford it if given a tax credit for the allocation of taxes they are paying in to the public system and in theory the private sector by doing this is helping fund a better education for those who could not afford it dollar for dollar. I don't see this as public dollars, it comes out of the pocket of private citizens. But the government thinks they own us.

This would allow competition between the public and private school systems, and the public school systems would either need to get better, or eventually go extinct. There is no doubt public education is highly inefficient. Over time I believe the private school system could grow to handle a large volume of students and this would happen over time. As for abiding by "public school" rules? Not certain what you are saying because those rules are failing a large segment of the population. If a parent chooses to send a child to a religious or non-religious private school? That should be their choice and religion should be allowed to be taught by those private schools. Private schools have the benefit of having a curriculum that most parents agree with, and if they don't like it they can air their grievances without the DOJ calling them terrorists and this is why private schools should never be expected to behave as a public school. And if a parent can't get their grievances settled? Plenty of other good private schools. In OKC area you have all kids of private school options. Private schools pay their teachers much better, allowed me to have access to college level classes within the HS, private schools are not looking to dumb down curriculum, they are trying to create grads that leave with study habits and a sound educational base to pursue a meaningful degree. They produce more scholarship dollar per student versus public schools.

Public school systems have no reason to improve right now academically and they are being encouraged to do the opposite, and they seem right now to be trying to prove their worth in society by not how well someone is educated in english, math, sciences, trade skills, and PE, but by what kind of a social justice warrior they can produce.

I want more kids to have the opportunity I did and that is not about politics, this is about real education and the ability to have a very robust curriculum and have the ability to become a Doctor, CPA, lawyer, engineer, chemist, architect, professor, teacher, nurse, electrician, I/T developer and other related I/T fields, carpenter, etc...

And best of all? Private schools kick out the kids that hold other students back from being educated because they so disrupt a class room, parent either gets that kid to mind or they are gone. Should be that way in the public school system as well (Obama's 2nd in command in the Department of Education told me I had this right on a flight from Brussels to D.C. but said the US is to weak minded to do it). Education is not a right, it is a beautiful gift that a parent gives to their child, not a daycare center or juvenile delinquent center for the non-violent. You don't value what is given to you for free, you take it for granted.

 

[Ostatedchi]

And best of all? Private schools kick out the kids that hold other students back from being educated because they so disrupt a class room, parent either gets that kid to mind or they are gone. Should be that way in the public school system as well (Obama's 2nd in command in the Department of Education told me I had this right on a flight from Brussels to D.C. but said the US is to weak minded to do it). Education is not a right, it is a beautiful gift that a parent gives to their child, not a daycare center or juvenile delinquent center for the non-violent. You don't value what is given to you for free, you take it for granted.

See that's the rub. IF private schools take public money, then they shouldn't get that opportunity. You can fix a LOT of the public school issues simply by giving them that same authority and not need to transfer tax dollars to those private schools.

 

[davidallen]

My Dad paid his real estate taxes to fund the local public schools, basically the Putnam City school district in OKC back in the 60's and 70's. It was at one time the largest HS in Oklahoma. He always wanted a tax credit for that since he was paying for me to go to a private school and taking me out of the public school system and the cost for them to educate me. Seems only fair to me, and my private school education cost far more than the real estate taxes he was paying. So, allowing this might open up the private school system to those who might be able to afford it if given a tax credit for the allocation of taxes they are paying in to the public system and in theory the private sector by doing this is helping fund a better education for those who could not afford it dollar for dollar. I don't see this as public dollars, it comes out of the pocket of private citizens. But the government thinks they own us.

This would allow competition between the public and private school systems, and the public school systems would either need to get better, or eventually go extinct. There is no doubt public education is highly inefficient. Over time I believe the private school system could grow to handle a large volume of students and this would happen over time. As for abiding by "public school" rules? Not certain what you are saying because those rules are failing a large segment of the population. If a parent chooses to send a child to a religious or non-religious private school? That should be their choice and religion should be allowed to be taught by those private schools. Private schools have the benefit of having a curriculum that most parents agree with, and if they don't like it they can air their grievances without the DOJ calling them terrorists and this is why private schools should never be expected to behave as a public school. And if a parent can't get their grievances settled? Plenty of other good private schools. In OKC area you have all kids of private school options. Private schools pay their teachers much better, allowed me to have access to college level classes within the HS, private schools are not looking to dumb down curriculum, they are trying to create grads that leave with study habits and a sound educational base to pursue a meaningful degree. They produce more scholarship dollar per student versus public schools.

Public school systems have no reason to improve right now academically and they are being encouraged to do the opposite, and they seem right now to be trying to prove their worth in society by not how well someone is educated in english, math, sciences, trade skills, and PE, but by what kind of a social justice warrior they can produce.

I want more kids to have the opportunity I did and that is not about politics, this is about real education and the ability to have a very robust curriculum and have the ability to become a Doctor, CPA, lawyer, engineer, chemist, architect, professor, teacher, nurse, electrician, I/T developer and other related I/T fields, carpenter, etc...

And best of all? Private schools kick out the kids that hold other students back from being educated because they so disrupt a class room, parent either gets that kid to mind or they are gone. Should be that way in the public school system as well (Obama's 2nd in command in the Department of Education told me I had this right on a flight from Brussels to D.C. but said the US is to weak minded to do it). Education is not a right, it is a beautiful gift that a parent gives to their child, not a daycare center or juvenile delinquent center for the non-violent. You don't value what is given to you for free, you take it for granted.

Your dad deserves a refund.

 

[OKSTATE1]

See that's the rub. IF private schools take public money, then they shouldn't get that opportunity. You can fix a LOT of the public school issues simply by giving them that same authority and not need to transfer tax dollars to those private schools.

It is private money when the government no longer takes it.

 

[Ostatedchi]

It is private money when the government no longer takes it.

That makes no sense. If the government taxes me and then hires a private company to do work; then, that’s still public money.

Oklahoma has a goofy way around that. But it’s still in the tax code in the form of a tax break.

But a LOT of the problems in public school could be solved by having the authority to expel (really expel) problematic students.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

And best of all? Private schools kick out the kids that hold other students back from being educated because they so disrupt a class room, parent either gets that kid to mind or they are gone. Should be that way in the public school system as well (Obama's 2nd in command in the Department of Education told me I had this right on a flight from Brussels to D.C. but said the US is to weak minded to do it). Education is not a right, it is a beautiful gift that a parent gives to their child, not a daycare center or juvenile delinquent center for the non-violent. You don't value what is given to you for free, you take it for granted.

This is 75% of the problem. Solve this, and you solve the education problem. FYI, if given the choice between tic tok and education kids will choose tic tok 95% of the time. It would be better for the US to kick out the kids in the classroom that are disruptive and don't want to learn, and empower those that do. At the same time offer technical schools earlier in the school process and have students enroll in apprentice programs.

 

[2012Bearcat]

See that's the rub. IF private schools take public money, then they shouldn't get that opportunity. You can fix a LOT of the public school issues simply by giving them that same authority and not need to transfer tax dollars to those private schools.

You would not be giving private schools public money, you would be giving them the money that would be spent on that child in public schools. If memory serves me correctly, public schools receive money on a per student basis, if that student is not in the public school they receive no money. Parents that send their children to private school are getting screwed. They are paying 100% of the cost and the product they put back out into society is far superior, on the average. to anything public schools are producing.
I am a product of public schools, as are my children but we were fortunate enough to have the means, desire and the foresight to move into an area with an excellent public school system. Many do not have that ability and are stuck in substandard schools, with teachers that could give a shit about education and only caring about producing a, for lack of a better expression, leftist social justice warriors. Ask any of these kids educated by public schools about climate change, racism or even Democrat Socialism and they are experts in the misinformation drilled into them. Ask them to make change, the Bill of Rights, the history of our country or even the basics of finance and they are absolute morons. That is 100% wrong and the fault of our public school system.
I see numerous videos taken each year of college students that can not answer the simplest of questions about our history. Hell ask half the black kids out there who fought the civil war and they don't have a clue. How is that even possible if the public school system is doing even a pathetic job?

 

[2012Bearcat]

My Dad paid his real estate taxes to fund the local public schools, basically the Putnam City school district in OKC back in the 60's and 70's. It was at one time the largest HS in Oklahoma. He always wanted a tax credit for that since he was paying for me to go to a private school and taking me out of the public school system and the cost for them to educate me. Seems only fair to me, and my private school education cost far more than the real estate taxes he was paying. So, allowing this might open up the private school system to those who might be able to afford it if given a tax credit for the allocation of taxes they are paying in to the public system and in theory the private sector by doing this is helping fund a better education for those who could not afford it dollar for dollar. I don't see this as public dollars, it comes out of the pocket of private citizens. But the government thinks they own us.

This would allow competition between the public and private school systems, and the public school systems would either need to get better, or eventually go extinct. There is no doubt public education is highly inefficient. Over time I believe the private school system could grow to handle a large volume of students and this would happen over time. As for abiding by "public school" rules? Not certain what you are saying because those rules are failing a large segment of the population. If a parent chooses to send a child to a religious or non-religious private school? That should be their choice and religion should be allowed to be taught by those private schools. Private schools have the benefit of having a curriculum that most parents agree with, and if they don't like it they can air their grievances without the DOJ calling them terrorists and this is why private schools should never be expected to behave as a public school. And if a parent can't get their grievances settled? Plenty of other good private schools. In OKC area you have all kids of private school options. Private schools pay their teachers much better, allowed me to have access to college level classes within the HS, private schools are not looking to dumb down curriculum, they are trying to create grads that leave with study habits and a sound educational base to pursue a meaningful degree. They produce more scholarship dollar per student versus public schools.

Public school systems have no reason to improve right now academically and they are being encouraged to do the opposite, and they seem right now to be trying to prove their worth in society by not how well someone is educated in english, math, sciences, trade skills, and PE, but by what kind of a social justice warrior they can produce.

I want more kids to have the opportunity I did and that is not about politics, this is about real education and the ability to have a very robust curriculum and have the ability to become a Doctor, CPA, lawyer, engineer, chemist, architect, professor, teacher, nurse, electrician, I/T developer and other related I/T fields, carpenter, etc...

And best of all? Private schools kick out the kids that hold other students back from being educated because they so disrupt a class room, parent either gets that kid to mind or they are gone. Should be that way in the public school system as well (Obama's 2nd in command in the Department of Education told me I had this right on a flight from Brussels to D.C. but said the US is to weak minded to do it). Education is not a right, it is a beautiful gift that a parent gives to their child, not a daycare center or juvenile delinquent center for the non-violent. You don't value what is given to you for free, you take it for granted.

I wish I could like this post a million times.

 

[SMemmett]

How many hours have some of you spent in a public classroom in the last 20 years?

All the problems of education would still exist if it was privatized. Low interest parents, overwhelming turnover due to low pay and huge classroom sizes. Those things are going to exist in certain areas no matter how you want to look at funding. There needs to be incentives to keep good admin and teachers in low income areas, and there needs to be a lot of money invested one way or the other to lower class sizes, increase security and update infrastructure, and until then those kids are nothing but political pawns used by both sides.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

“Education “ as it‘s offered in the U.S. and other places in the world needs rethought as a concept. All public schools and most private schools have a one system fits all method of delivery when there are many different kinds of students who need taught in many different kind of ways. That is just one of the ways the school systems are failing many students.

I highly recommend The Element, by Ken Robinson.

“The Element“ is the point at which natural talent meets personal passion. When people arrive at the Element, they feel most themselves and most inspired and achieve at their highest levels. Ken Robinson looks at the conditions that enable us to find ourselves in the Element and those that stifle that possibility. Most school systems, especially public school systems, or doing little to nothing to help students find their Element.

Unfortunately, most of the people in the world never arrive at their element at an early enough age to do anything really substantial about it in their lives.

The Element: How Finding Your Passion Changes Everything: Ken Robinson, Lou Aronica: 9780143116738: Amazon.com: Books

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[windriverrange]

approximately 20% of public school teachers send their kids to private schools.....all you need to know. Bet the percentage is much higher if you consider say the difference between Owasso OK & Chicago IL. No doubt there are many excellent public school teachers out there but the system and management keeps them from rising to the top because of the unions and lack of accountability.

Public Schools remind me of the postal service (and I use the word service very loosely) no amount of money can reform them because of the model and the unions. Any school district who complains about money yet devotes resources to illegal kids is full of crap and definitely part of this problem.

Oh and start the draft back up....if you can't graduate from HS because your parents, yourself or whatever you can get a GED and learn a skill, plus grow up and learn the world is about more things then just you.

 

[2012Bearcat]

How many hours have some of you spent in a public classroom in the last 20 years?

All the problems of education would still exist if it was privatized. Low interest parents, overwhelming turnover due to low pay and huge classroom sizes. Those things are going to exist in certain areas no matter how you want to look at funding. There needs to be incentives to keep good admin and teachers in low income areas, and there needs to be a lot of money invested one way or the other to lower class sizes, increase security and update infrastructure, and until then those kids are nothing but political pawns used by both sides.

Oh bullshit, enough with the victim mentality. People are a product of their own decisions and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to change that. You want to change the outcomes of students in low income, high crime areas, you incentivise people for the proper behavior and you penalize the hell out of behavior that is wrong. It's nuts that we handout money like drunken sailors in a whore house to able bodied and minded people that do absolutely nothing. The leftist solution is to hug these people when they do wrong and admonish them when they do well. and we wonder why we have problems. Sometimes you have to be willing to hand out a little tough love if you truly care about people. I had it done to me and I've done it with my kids and in both instances we are better people because someone was willing to kick us in the ass.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

How many hours have some of you spent in a public classroom in the last 20 years?

All the problems of education would still exist if it was privatized. Low interest parents, overwhelming turnover due to low pay and huge classroom sizes. Those things are going to exist in certain areas no matter how you want to look at funding. There needs to be incentives to keep good admin and teachers in low income areas, and there needs to be a lot of money invested one way or the other to lower class sizes, increase security and update infrastructure, and until then those kids are nothing but political pawns used by both sides.

FYI, There are teachers talking in this thread.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

approximately 20% of public school teachers send their kids to private schools.....all you need to know. Bet the percentage is much higher if you consider say the difference between Owasso OK & Chicago IL. No doubt there are many excellent public school teachers out there but the system and management keeps them from rising to the top because of the unions and lack of accountability.

Public Schools remind me of the postal service (and I use the word service very loosely) no amount of money can reform them because of the model and the unions. Any school district who complains about money yet devotes resources to illegal kids is full of crap and definitely part of this problem.

Oh and start the draft back up....if you can't graduate from HS because your parents, yourself or whatever you can get a GED and learn a skill, plus grow up and learn the world is about more things then just you.

Powerful post my man. 👍

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Oh bullshit, enough with the victim mentality. People are a product of their own decisions and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to change that. You want to change the outcomes of students in low income, high crime areas, you incentivise people for the proper behavior and you penalize the hell out of behavior that is wrong. It's nuts that we handout money like drunken sailors in a whore house to able bodied and minded people that do absolutely nothing. The leftist solution is to hug these people when they do wrong and admonish them when they do well. and we wonder why we have problems. Sometimes you have to be willing to hand out a little tough love if you truly care about people. I had it done to me and I've done it with my kids and in both instances we are better people because someone was willing to kick us in the ass.

WHOO EEEE! 😁

 

[2012Bearcat]

FYI, There are teachers talking in this thread.

Yes it is obvious as their only solution, as it always has been, is more money. We spend more money on education than any other country besides one and yet our results are well down the list. More money isn't the solution it's an excuse for poor performance.
That is not a knock on all teachers, it's a knock on the system. If teachers were honest and education was the goal they would be the first to tell you the system is broken.

 

[SMemmett]

Oh bullshit, enough with the victim mentality. People are a product of their own decisions and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to change that. You want to change the outcomes of students in low income, high crime areas, you incentivise people for the proper behavior and you penalize the hell out of behavior that is wrong. It's nuts that we handout money like drunken sailors in a whore house to able bodied and minded people that do absolutely nothing. The leftist solution is to hug these people when they do wrong and admonish them when they do well. and we wonder why we have problems. Sometimes you have to be willing to hand out a little tough love if you truly care about people. I had it done to me and I've done it with my kids and in both instances we are better people because someone was willing to kick us in the ass.

FYI, There are teachers talking in this thread.

I’m a teacher.
And @2012Bearcat, I’m not sure what post you read? How does that respond to what I’m talking about? I’m saying inner city education needs better teachers, less turnover and less crowded classrooms, do you disagree with any of that? what is your solution to teacher retention in low income schools?

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Yes it is obvious as their only solution, as it always has been, is more money. We spend more money on education than any other country besides one and yet our results are well down the list. More money isn't the solution it's an excuse for poor performance.
That is not a knock on all teachers, it's a knock on the system. If teachers were honest and education was the goal they would be the first to tell you the system is broken.

More the money, more administrators pay. Much like our utilities chairmen and their boards that just recently come to light. The benefactors that create the failures which expose the greed and incompetence of these morons?

Wait for it ...................................


INVESTORS!

Yes, just last year it came to light that that the Texas grid is controlled by out of state investors.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

I’m a teacher.
And @2012Bearcat, I’m not sure what post you read? How does that respond to what I’m talking about? I’m saying inner city education needs better teachers, less turnover and less crowded classrooms, do you disagree with any of that? what is your solution to teacher retention in low income schools?

Great!

Inner city education is not the only place that needs teachers. Rural schools are just as economically challenged or more, and every school can use a better teacher. You are making it strictly about the inner city when the problems and solutions need to be statewide.

It is no surprise that densely populated areas have large class sizes, and classes are in school buildings that were not built to handle the numbers that walk through the door. Schools will need to be built with growth in mind in the future, but that doesn't help right now. Administrators will need to get creative, and school choice can pull at least some of the case load out of the overburdened school and put that student in a school that can handle the additional loads.

Part of the problem is how you get teachers to come to the classroom, the amount of credentialing, testing, and schooling will turn many people off. The pay is not worth the BS degree, so you have two solutions. One is raising the pay to meet the expectations for the teacher's education level, the other is lower the requirement of the BS for teacher's to enter the classroom. To be honest, the State has never met the first option. The recent teacher pay raise is already destroyed by inflation and getting more money from the state with a recession on the table is a non starter. So you are left option 2.

As far as retention goes, if you address the student misconduct angle, retention will not be an issue. There are multiple reasons teachers are leaving the classroom, the first pay, and next is dealing with the students. We already addressed that the pay issue is going to continue with no solution for some time. But what you can deal with is the fact that teachers are handcuffed in the classroom, and the students know it. Bring back discipline and the retention is significantly nullified, even with low pay. Students need to be aware that their presence in the school is to learn first socialize later. Simple concept, but greatly lacking in every school you go to.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

Yes it is obvious as their only solution, as it always has been, is more money. We spend more money on education than any other country besides one and yet our results are well down the list. More money isn't the solution it's an excuse for poor performance.
That is not a knock on all teachers, it's a knock on the system. If teachers were honest and education was the goal they would be the first to tell you the system is broken.

The system is broken.

 

[2012Bearcat]

I’m a teacher.
And @2012Bearcat, I’m not sure what post you read? How does that respond to what I’m talking about? I’m saying inner city education needs better teachers, less turnover and less crowded classrooms, do you disagree with any of that? what is your solution to teacher retention in low income schools?

Yes I disagree with sending good teachers into the inner cities. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the inner cities do not need good teachers, what I'm saying is until the inner cities take responsibility for themselves, start taking education seriously, get control of their kids and start respecting the help they do receive, they have not earned the right to ask much less demand better. For one good teachers do not deserve to be treated the way they are in the inner city schools, they deserve the utmost respect, good pay and a good working environment. They do not get any of that in an inner city school. You don't waste your best resources in areas it's impossible to get the best results. Sorry to put it so bluntly but I'm sick of the victim mentality of these people when they and they alone are responsible for 95% of the problems. Until someone has the guts to tell these people that, stands strong against the inevitable backlash and these commuities take it upon themselves to change nothing, including unlimited money. will ever change their outcomes.

 

[davidallen]

FYI, There are teachers talking in this thread.

Imagine that.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Imagine that.

Yeah, imagine that.

 

[NeekReevers]

Where do you all live that all of this indoctrination is going on? I live in a town of 8,000 in Oklahoma and I can promise you that all of the teachers I know are pretty conservative. If you live in a place where that is happening you should move or run for the school board.

The public schools are asked to do way too much. As a society we are asking them to be caregivers not educators. How many kids had breakfast at school when you were a kid? For me it was hardly any. Now it is most. Athletic programs are way out of control.

I still believe that public education is the gateway for improving your lot in life. Taking funds out of public schools and putting them into private schools will only widen the gap between those with means and those without. It will also decimate rural schools where the kids have no other option. There are problems with the public schools, but they should be fixed not abandoned.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Where do you all live that all of this indoctrination is going on? I live in a town of 8,000 in Oklahoma and I can promise you that all of the teachers I know are pretty conservative. If you live in a place where that is happening you should move or run for the school board.

The public schools are asked to do way too much. As a society we are asking them to be caregivers not educators. How many kids had breakfast at school when you were a kid? For me it was hardly any. Now it is most. Athletic programs are way out of control.

I still believe that public education is the gateway for improving your lot in life. Taking funds out of public schools and putting them into private schools will only widen the gap between those with means and those without. It will also decimate rural schools where the kids have no other option. There are problems with the public schools, but they should be fixed not abandoned.

Public education is broken. The SOBs who run public education think they and the system are untouchable. The only way to fix the system with people like that in charge is to get their attention. Cut off the money, then you have their attention.

 

[Medic007]

Where do you all live that all of this indoctrination is going on? I live in a town of 8,000 in Oklahoma and I can promise you that all of the teachers I know are pretty conservative. If you live in a place where that is happening you should move or run for the school board.

The public schools are asked to do way too much. As a society we are asking them to be caregivers not educators. How many kids had breakfast at school when you were a kid? For me it was hardly any. Now it is most. Athletic programs are way out of control.

I still believe that public education is the gateway for improving your lot in life. Taking funds out of public schools and putting them into private schools will only widen the gap between those with means and those without. It will also decimate rural schools where the kids have no other option. There are problems with the public schools, but they should be fixed not abandoned.

Maybe the teachers unions should start focusing their efforts and money on those they claim to represent rather than blowing wads of hard earned cash on their idiotic political and ideological pet projects.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

Public education is broken. The SOBs who run public education think they and the system are untouchable. The only way to fix the system with people like that in charge is to get their attention. Cut off the money, then you have their attention.

How about try electing officials that want to fix the issue. The education system is broken, but it doesn't mean it is not fixable. It needs a major overhaul...it's happened before.... there is some go back to the basics that need to be looked at. You can innovate and reinstitute some older ideas at the same time. Combine them, and look for ways to improve. The current direction is like holding on to the Titanic's rail all the way to the bottom. I'm looking for this in the State Super. Our current Rhino needs to just step down right now. Her political actions as of late have disqualified her from needing to sit in the seat. She should just go run for gov.

 

[launch]

People inside the education system have themselves to blame for the ever increasing numbers that have lost all confidence in them to do their job and now want options.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

Maybe the teachers unions should start focusing their efforts and money on those they claim to represent rather than blowing wads of hard earned cash on their idiotic political and ideological pet projects.

I'm done with the Unions. They are completely worthless.

 

[Medic007]

I'm done with the Unions. They are completely worthless.

I could not agree more.

 

[2012Bearcat]

How about try electing officials that want to fix the issue. The education system is broken, but it doesn't mean it is not fixable. It needs a major overhaul...it's happened before.... there is some go back to the basics that need to be looked at. You can innovate and reinstitute some older ideas at the same time. Combine them, and look for ways to improve. The current direction is like holding on to the Titanic's rail all the way to the bottom. I'm looking for this in the State Super. Our current Rhino needs to just step down right now. Her political actions as of late have disqualified her from needing to sit in the seat. She should just go run for gov.

If I thought that would work I would be all for it but the leftist that have infested and control public education will never relent. School choice is a easy solution that provides for those that value education and at the same time circumvents leftist control. Those that don't value education can continue on in their ignorance.
While this attitude may be concerning for those in public education, it's public education's fault the attitude exists.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

If I thought that would work I would be all for it but the leftist that have infested and control public education will never relent. School choice is a easy solution that provides for those that value education and at the same time circumvents leftist control. Those that don't value education can continue on in their ignorance.
While this attitude may be concerning for those in public education, it's public education's fault the attitude exists.

I don't know about leftists in every school. There are schools that have definitely gone full blown woke. However, there are schools that have remained as conservative as they can. Most of those can be found in Rural Oklahoma. Look for a State Superintendent that is not from the city, but from Rural OK. If they have a PHD move on. I'm not saying every PHD is a woke liberal, but PHDs from what I have seen do not think outside of the box. They have been extensively schooled to do the same things over and over again and expect the same result. It is just easier to throw that resume out and interview someone that has a better potential to be a change we want. They also need to be fearless. If Stitt is re-elected an innovator could make some huge changes in OK.

 

[JimmyBob]

It's nuts that we handout money like drunken sailors in a whore house

Let the record show, as a USN veteran who killed every damned Cong on NAS Norfolk from 1/67 thru 7/70, I drank but never was in a whore house.