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Weekly standard flexes its muscle against trump

I guess we'll find out if it can happen. I'm amazed at the number of people who appear to be supporting him. Many of them are not conservative repubes. I have never heard as many people who are pissed at the establishment of both parties as this cycle.
 
National Review has devoted their new print issue to "Against Trump". They're absolutely right, you know.
 
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Starting to look like the establishment is getting behind Trump because the last thing that they want is a conservative like Cruz.

The Reagan revolution died when Dutch left office in 1988. He was never really accepted by the people in power in the GOP.
 
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Starting to look like the establishment is getting behind Trump because the last thing that they want is a conservative like Cruz.

The Reagan revolution died when Dutch left office in 1988. He was never really accepted by the people in power in the GOP.
That is absolutely incorrect about National Review. Buckley and Reagan were fast friends. Of course, in those days, NR was much less a part of the establishment than it is now. Weekly Standard wasn't around then but is absolutely the GOP establishment publication of choice.

Guys like Dole and Hatch endorsing Trump leads me to believe they are trying to pick off Cruz in hopes of helping [Edit:] Rubio in the long run. Hatch, McConnell, McCain, and L. Graham hate Cruz because he would not kowtow to the GOP old men of the Senate.
 
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National Review has devoted their new print issue to "Against Trump". They're absolutely right, you know.


William F Buckley himself on Trump (from the issue, as originally appearing in Cigar Aficionado, in 2000): http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...ley-donald-trump-demagoguery-cigar-aficionado


What about the aspirant who has a private vision to offer to the public and has the means, personal or contrived, to finance a campaign? In some cases, the vision isn’t merely a program to be adopted. It is a program that includes the visionary’s serving as President. Look for the narcissist. The most obvious target in today’s lineup is, of course, Donald Trump. When he looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But whatever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something. So what does Trump say? That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line.


So what else can Trump offer us? Well to begin with, a self-financed campaign. Does it follow that all who finance their own campaigns are narcissists? At this writing Steve Forbes has spent $63 million in pursuit of the Republican nomination. Forbes is an evangelist, not an exhibitionist. In his long and sober private career, Steve Forbes never bought a casino, and if he had done so, he would not have called it Forbes’s Funhouse.


 


The authors of articles like this miss the point and are being run over by history. The common misconception regarding Trump is that people voting republican are "conservative" by most standard definitions. This is the same mistake certain posters on this board make. Pointing out how he's not a conservative on all the conservative issues only matters to Republican voters who are. Most aren't and are primarily looking for a guy who isn't going to go play footsie with democrats on the economy, borders and national security. Not much else matters.

The fact that Trump still exists with numbers like he has at this point speak more to the fact that people do not care what his stance was on abortion during a Tim Russert interview 100 years ago. The GOP won't be able to get out of it's way on this one. If Cruz doesn't win Iowa, Trump will moonwalk into the White House.

Hillary won't even get the DNC nomination, but if she did, I can only imagine her thumbing through her establishment politics playbook while Trump lights her on fire in debate after debate. Bernie has no chance once America sees his price tag.

Might as well get ready for it, whether you are a fan or not. I'm not so much a fan of Trump, but I have to admit I love seeing him wreck the GOP. Just completely nuking it. It needed nuking.
 
The authors of articles like this miss the point and are being run over by history. The common misconception regarding Trump is that people voting republican are "conservative" by most standard definitions. This is the same mistake certain posters on this board make. Pointing out how he's not a conservative on all the conservative issues only matters to Republican voters who are. Most aren't and are primarily looking for a guy who isn't going to go play footsie with democrats on the economy, borders and national security. Not much else matters.

The fact that Trump still exists with numbers like he has at this point speak more to the fact that people do not care what his stance was on abortion during a Tim Russert interview 100 years ago. The GOP won't be able to get out of it's way on this one. If Cruz doesn't win Iowa, Trump will moonwalk into the White House.

Hillary won't even get the DNC nomination, but if she did, I can only imagine her thumbing through her establishment politics playbook while Trump lights her on fire in debate after debate. Bernie has no chance once America sees his price tag.

Might as well get ready for it, whether you are a fan or not. I'm not so much a fan of Trump, but I have to admit I love seeing him wreck the GOP. Just completely nuking it. It needed nuking.


The point you seem to be missing is he's not demonstrably or authentically conservative, on practically ANY ISSUE, as shown by many, many statements out of his own mouth very recently.

Abortion is only a very small piece of the pie, and while it happens to be important to me personally, I think you are sorely mistaken if you think that is the overriding factor in the National Review's or other conservative's objection to Trump.
 
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And I agree the GOP had this coming. Actually Bernie and Trump are opposite sides of the same coin, a coin which points to an enormous vacuum of people in power in politics willing to speak up about the truth and actually do something about actual important issues that people care about it. When a a vacuum exists something will always fill it.

The problem, IMO, is many of the things Trump talks about, he doesn't really care about fixing, again my opinion (but it's based upon him saying exactly the opposite in the fairly recent past).
 
The vacuum exists imo, because too many people running for office view it as a career rather than public service.

Career minded politicians are going to say what they believe will be popular and will give them the least friction in the press.

Service minded politicians speak from personal conviction and well thought out principles that philosophically drive their calling to temporarily serve in office.

I prefer the latter, obviously.

Screw Pelosi, McConnell, and other leaches that have made a living (and a fortune) in the political realm.
 
Jonah Goldberg explains and defends the NR Against Trump Issue, somehow hilairously (IMO), and very well: http://link.nationalreview.com/view/547f9de03b35d0210c8bb89f3jsqf.3lfa/698a2add

Here's part of it (it's rather long):

The Many Rooms in the Mansion of Wrong

I should be clear: I don’t think everyone who supports Donald Trump is dross. Some are even friends of mine. But I do think they, collectively, are wrong. But they are wrong for different reasons. Indeed, there’s a remarkable diversity of wrongness out there.

Some people believe there are no gradations of wrong; that wrong is an absolute state. Not so. There are whole hierarchies of wrong. If you think 2+2 is 5, you’re a little wrong. If you think 2+2 is a 100-foot lizard destroying downtown Tokyo, you’re very wrong.

Similarly, there are errors based on different kinds of thinking. Many of the people lambasting National Review are arguing ad populum. The people -- here defined as a plurality of GOP poll respondents or talk-radio listeners -- are for Trump, therefore Trump is not only the right candidate, but he must be a conservative, too.

As I mentioned above, my favorite form of this fallacious argument is that National Review -- or me personally -- is required (required!) to support the GOP frontrunner. When Donald Trump signed that pledge to support the GOP nominee a few months ago, scads of people asked whether I would do likewise. Can they really not see the category error here? My job -- our job -- is to write and say the truth as I see it. That’s it. Of course we can be wrong. It’s happened plenty of times. But to think we should be wrong on purpose is to confuse National Review for a press release or a bit of direct mail marketing.

But the real irony of this “support the front-runner” nonsense is that it runs completely counter to the usual gripe we get -- that we’re too supportive of the GOP. Which is it? Are we “GOPe” hacks carrying water for the party? Or are we fools and traitors for not backing the party front-runner just because he’s the front-runner? Trump is a hero “because he fights.” We are knaves and traitors because we fight back.

I have another question: Now that the establishment is rallying to Trump, can I be anti-establishment again if I stay critical of Trump? That’d be nice.

The point here is that “anti-establishment” is not a synonym for “conservative,” as I wrote the other day in the Corner. One of the reasons I can’t stand the use and abuse of the term “establishment” is that it’s like a three-legged pack mule carrying the load for an entire wagon train of assumptions.

“Anti-establishment” is almost entirely devoid of any ideological content whatsoever. An ideological category that can include Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Occupy Wall Street, the tea parties, Ted Cruz, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, and Ben Carson is not a particularly meaningful one.

Some reply, oh no, it shows that the people are angry! I hear this all the time. And I agree. And I’m angry too. But you know what? Being angry is not a frick’n argument. I’m angry that Washington has drowned the country in debt. I’m angry that Obama has been a failure. I’m also angry that broccoli doesn’t taste like chicken and that Fox cancelled Firefly. Being angry is probably a necessary condition for fixing a lot of problems, but it isn’t sufficient to the task. And it isn’t a particularly powerful defense of Donald Trump.
 
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I'm for Trump all the way. He'll be a great president of action. Get ready because he has singlehandedly crushed the worn out political dynamic that has been a disaster for the American people for too long, and as president he'll keep on doing more of it. Let the think tanks think, the writers write, and TV talking heads rattle on ad nauseam. It's time for someone completely outside of politics to kick ass with deeds.
 
I'm for Trump all the way. He'll be a great president of action. Get ready because he has singlehandedly crushed the worn out political dynamic that has been a disaster for the American people for too long, and as president he'll keep on doing more of it. Let the think tanks think, the writers write, and TV talking heads rattle on ad nauseam. It's time for someone completely outside of politics to kick ass with deeds.
He's also shown how stale, out of touch, and over paid the strategists are. There are so many who see their multi-million dollar careers evaporating.
 
The point you seem to be missing is he's not demonstrably or authentically conservative, on practically ANY ISSUE, as shown by many, many statements out of his own mouth very recently.

Abortion is only a very small piece of the pie, and while it happens to be important to me personally, I think you are sorely mistaken if you think that is the overriding factor in the National Review's or other conservative's objection to Trump.
I'm glad to see at least one other person on this board views Trump the same way I do.
 
He's also shown how stale, out of touch, and over paid the strategists are. There are so many who see their multi-million dollar careers evaporating.

You mean the people, the majority of whom are now rallying around Trump?
 
You mean the people, the majority of whom are now rallying around Trump?
They're more scared of Cruz and they are actually supporting Trump because their minds can't wrap around the fact he can win.

Trump is going to be the nominee and the anti PC crowd of all stripes are going to carry him into office.

I hope it pisses off everyone in DC. Screw the old guard they haven't done crap to improve this country.
 
They're more scared of Cruz and they are actually supporting Trump because their minds can't wrap around the fact he can win.

Trump is going to be the nominee and the anti PC crowd of all stripes are going to carry him into office.

I hope it pisses off everyone in DC. Screw the old guard they haven't done crap to improve this country.

I agree with your first sentence. I don't think it will turn out the way you envision, but I could be wrong.

The thing is, while Trump isn't an establishment politician, in the sense that he is an outsider to elected office, he is as establishment as any political newcomer could possibly be. He is practically a perfect example of what everyone says they find so repugnant in our national political scene, having practiced crown capitalism and leveraged what he wanted via political graft for decades. These establishment guys, like Dole and Hatch and Pawlenty are warming up to him because they believe it will be business as usual with him as President. Why would they think otherwise? He's a deal maker, right? And he has a long history of pliability in his positions, although up until the last 12 months or so, none/few of those positions would be plausibly described as conservative.
 
I agree with your first sentence. I don't think it will turn out the way you envision, but I could be wrong.

The thing is, while Trump isn't an establishment politician, in the sense that he is an outsider to elected office, he is as establishment as any political newcomer could possibly be. He is practically a perfect example of what everyone says they find so repugnant in our national political scene, having practiced crown capitalism and leveraged what he wanted via political graft for decades. These establishment guys, like Dole and Hatch and Pawlenty are warming up to him because they believe it will be business as usual with him as President. Why would they think otherwise? He's a deal maker, right? And he has a long history of pliability in his positions, although up until the last 12 months or so, none/few of those positions would be plausibly described as conservative.

You are missing one huge key point. He's self funded. And that's a big deal to people who are tired of "the establishment."

The notion that he's his own man is what resonates. Nobody who supports him cares about pliability of positions, and in fact probably take that for capacity of human thought and adaptability to experience and cultural changes around him.

I don't say that as a Trump fan. It's just obvious why he's so popular.
 
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You are missing one huge key point. He's self funded. And that's a big deal to people who are tired of "the establishment."

The notion that he's his own man is what resonates. Nobody who supports him cares about pliability of positions, and in fact probably take that for capacity of human thought and adaptability to experience and cultural changes around him.

I don't say that as a Trump fan. It's just obvious why he's so popular.

I'll bet you loved Perot also. It is obvious. Just like Obama. It is absolutely the flip side of the same thing -- Cult of Persomality. He's absolutely snowed those who support him. He's 69 years old; he's been doing it ever since he arrived on the scene.

I'll bet you Trump won't be self funded through November shoukd he get the nomination. I assume he would forego public funding however.
 
I think you're missing what it is Trump is trying to do. Yes he's 69, he's made billions of dollars. He has publicly stated he's turning everything over to the kids, "take it and have a blast" he said. He has nothing to prove in business.

Trump is legacy building and he wants his legacy to be the guy that made "America Great Again". Yes he's a deal maker but he always has a goal and anyone who opposes him usually winds up regretting it.

Personally I could go with Trump or Cruze but I don't see Cruz stopping Trump. Everyone who discounts this guy is totally underestimating just how fed up us common folk are.
 
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I'll bet you loved Perot also. It is obvious. Just like Obama. It is absolutely the flip side of the same thing -- Cult of Persomality. He's absolutely snowed those who support him. He's 69 years old; he's been doing it ever since he arrived on the scene.

I'll bet you Trump won't be self funded through November shoukd he get the nomination. I assume he would forego public funding however.

I voted for Clinton in 92
 
I think you're missing what it is Trump is trying to do. Yes he's 69, he's made billions of dollars. He has publicly stated he's turning everything over to the kids, "take it and have a blast" he said. He has nothing to prove in business.

Trump is legacy building and he wants his legacy to be the guy that made "America Great Again". Yes he's a deal maker but he always has a goal and anyone who opposes him usually winds up regretting it.

Personally I could go with Trump or Cruze but I don't see Cruz stopping Trump. Everyone who discounts this guy is totally underestimating just how fed up us common folk are.

If you believe that sh!t? More power to you.
 
You are missing one huge key point. He's self funded. And that's a big deal to people who are tired of "the establishment."

The notion that he's his own man is what resonates. Nobody who supports him cares about pliability of positions, and in fact probably take that for capacity of human thought and adaptability to experience and cultural changes around him.

I don't say that as a Trump fan. It's just obvious why he's so popular.

Whores are whores are whores; there's no difference between self/street/PAC-funded, all the same.
 
im man of the people and I always bring up politics and people from both parties are riding the trump train just because he is anti Washington, D.C. It's a "let's give him a shot" deal. It's amazing.

I have democrat relatives I literally made them go around the room and tell me who they were voting for. The age was from 45 to 82 and everyone said they were for him or considering him.
 
If you believe that sh!t? More power to you.
Yes I do believe it. Haven't you been telling us for months that Trump has no chance. Your attempts at trying to explain his faults to all us rubes who happen to like what the guy is doing smacks of Jeb Bush/establishment desperation.

I'll put my political prognostications against yours in this election anytime.
 
Yes I do believe it. Haven't you been telling us for months that Trump has no chance. Your attempts at trying to explain his faults to all us rubes who happen to like what the guy is doing smacks of Jeb Bush/establishment desperation.

I'll put my political prognostications against yours in this election anytime.
Seriously? F*** You. First of all, your guy just got endorsed by Bob F'ing Dole and Tim Pawlenty. It doesn't get any more establishment than that this side of Bush or McConnell. I've been unwavering in my extreme distaste with and opposition to, Jeb's candidacy. The guy I support is clearly feared by the establishment.

Secondly, I made no comment whatsoever about your or my own relative skill at election prognostication. My remark of "if you believe that..." was, instead, directed at your unswerving faith in Trump's conversion to being a conservative and belief in the pureness of his motives. You believe in it, that's your prerogative. Me? I see absolutely nothing in his statements, demeanor, or past record to suggest he's genuine.

Lastly, I was not coming to the conversation to suggest that anyone is a rube. I was attempting to persuade whoever might listen and be persuaded that supporting Trump is a mistake. Silly, me, I thought that was a common pretense for posting political comment and opinion.
 
Cool down dude, your the one that started with the snarky stuff. You don't like Trump I get it. It will be an interesting 4 or 8 years if Trump keeps going as he is.

I said earlier the only reason the establishment types are starting to line up behind Trump is because they are terrified of Cruze. They can't stand either one, lessor of two evils for them.
 
Headhunter/Marshal - put a sock in the pissin' contest. I'm distantly related to Dick Morris through one of my other brothers Darrel, and that qualifies me as more qualified than you to make predictions. Stay tuned.....:D
 
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