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Warrant needed

I don’t know enough about this to comment but Justice Roberts must have some interesting skeletons in his closet to be teamed up with those yahoos again.
 
The only thing I've read on this is from the posted article. Seems like what law enforcement did is similar to what Mueller did to Manafort. Both had someone as a target and then went back in time to gather information to use to file charges.
 
119 pages. Have to read this weekend and brief our LEO on Monday. Will have more
The only thing I've read on this is from the posted article. Seems like what law enforcement did is similar to what Mueller did to Manafort. Both had someone as a target and then went back in time to gather information to use to file charges.

Well....that’s kind of what a law enforcement investigation is. Following the leads, developing suspects, and then getting information establishing probable cause to arrest and beyond a reasonable doubt to prosecute. Law enforcement routinely gets cell phone location information in an investigation, just like in this case, and there is nothing wrong with that. Hell, I’ve drafted a whole lot of applications for CTLI just like the one used in this case.

There is a specific federal statute that states you don’t have to have probable cause to get that data (merely that it is reasonably material and relevant to a criminal investigation). The reasoning when the law was passed was that someone doesn’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy in data and information they voluntarily surrender to a third party. The request was subjected to scrutiny by the Judge signing the court order for disclosure.

MyTL;DR (yet) evaluation is that the SCOTUS said that statute violates the 4th Amendment because individuals do have a reasonable expectation of privacy in those records. In the end, it’s not a huge change from having to show materiality and relevance to get these through the statute to having to show probable cause to get them through a warrant.

The freedom loving private citizen side of me will like this decision. The authoritarian officer of the oppressive state apparatus will likely be only mildly annoyed by it....mostly because I’m certain my LEOs will bitch and moan about it and I will have to do a little more work to get these records.

I’m reading with an aim to try to predict where the court might go with such things as subscriber info, etc. that isn’t CTLI.
 
119 pages. Have to read this weekend and brief our LEO on Monday. Will have more


Well....that’s kind of what a law enforcement investigation is. Following the leads, developing suspects, and then getting information establishing probable cause to arrest and beyond a reasonable doubt to prosecute. Law enforcement routinely gets cell phone location information in an investigation, just like in this case, and there is nothing wrong with that. Hell, I’ve drafted a whole lot of applications for CTLI just like the one used in this case.

There is a specific federal statute that states you don’t have to have probable cause to get that data (merely that it is reasonably material and relevant to a criminal investigation). The reasoning when the law was passed was that someone doesn’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy in data and information they voluntarily surrender to a third party. The request was subjected to scrutiny by the Judge signing the court order for disclosure.

MyTL;DR (yet) evaluation is that the SCOTUS said that statute violates the 4th Amendment because individuals do have a reasonable expectation of privacy in those records. In the end, it’s not a huge change from having to show materiality and relevance to get these through the statute to having to show probable cause to get them through a warrant.

The freedom loving private citizen side of me will like this decision. The authoritarian officer of the oppressive state apparatus will likely be only mildly annoyed by it....mostly because I’m certain my LEOs will bitch and moan about it and I will have to do a little more work to get these records.

I’m reading with an aim to try to predict where the court might go with such things as subscriber info, etc. that isn’t CTLI.

There's just no way I have time right now to read and comprehend a 119 page legal document.

But the thing that concerns me is that from the outside looking in, I would have expected Gorsuch to side with the majority opinion, and I want to understand why he didn't.
 
There's just no way I have time right now to read and comprehend a 119 page legal document.

But the thing that concerns me is that from the outside looking in, I would have expected Gorsuch to side with the majority opinion, and I want to understand why he didn't.

He’s is for trashing the whole 3rd party doctrine. He thinks the majority decision doesn’t go far enough to protect privacy interests.
 
There's just no way I have time right now to read and comprehend a 119 page legal document.

But the thing that concerns me is that from the outside looking in, I would have expected Gorsuch to side with the majority opinion, and I want to understand why he didn't.
119 page SC decisions are the equivalent to like 25 real pages. The margins on their pages are like 3 inches.
 
119 page SC decisions are the equivalent to like 25 real pages. The margins on their pages are like 3 inches.

L...not OL, just L.

What you say is true.

And the actual opinion of the court was only 23 pages, so it wasn’t as bad as I thought it might be. Pretty straightforward and limited holding.

The rest was dissents.
 
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L...not OL, just L.

What you say is true.

And the actual opinion of the court was only 23 pages, so it wasn’t as bad as I thought it might be. Pretty straightforward and limited holding.

The rest was dissents.

I'll have to pull it up tonight then. That's not nearly as bad as I suspected.
 
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