Virginia gov restores voting rights to 13,000 felons

[MegaPoke]

im sure they are all voting law and order.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10X1UD

This election cycle every whore is just putting it right on the table, regardless of the optics.

 

[imprimis]

They were already voting. This just legitimizes them.

 

[07pilt]

Mega,

I would be interested to hear how you arrived at your position on this. As a an anti-statist fascist fighter, I wouldn't expect you to worry about their thoughts on law and order.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Honestly, I fail to see the issue here. We are talking about people who have completed their sentences. Why should they lose all rights for the rest of their life? If they get out and become productive citizens are they not required to pay taxes? In fact, I'd say that a former felon who's become a productive tax paying member of society has more of a right to vote than one who contributes nothing but has never been caught in the commission of a felony.

For example:

My uncle was busted for possession of illegal drugs some 25 years ago. He served his 3-4 years of time in the state prison and was released. Since his release he has started up a roofing business that operates in two states. This business has been up and running for almost 25 years I believe. He's been a productive tax paying member of society since release and has had no more run-ins with the law.

Now, why should he lose his right to vote for life due to this one discretion (in which he was caught) in his misspent youth?

 

[poke2001]

I think that once you serve your time and you are released, you should be eligible to vote again. I'm also strongly against registration lists and the such because those are the states admitting they have failed in the judicial system. Fix that side and you shouldn't have to worry about penalties after release. One of our biggest problems is recidivism, which of course it is high because when we release them into society, we don't give them any of their rights back.

Now, he isn't restoring voting rights because he believes it is the right thing to do. He knows they will vote for his party...

 

[MegaPoke]

Mega,

I would be interested to hear how you arrived at your position on this. As a an anti-statist fascist fighter, I wouldn't expect you to worry about their thoughts on law and order.

The (obvious) point is an editorial comment on the political advantage a team politics gov creates for Hillary vs the self described 'law and order' candidate.

 

[Medic007]

Dead people, felons, illegals, and children always vote Democrat, sometimes even twice or more (don't want to marginalize the minority voters).

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

CNN Politics Headline on the matter:

"Trump wants GOP to court black voters — then slams voting rights for felons"


Who's the racist?

 

[imprimis]

One of our biggest problems is recidivism, which of course it is high because when we release them into society, we don't give them any of their rights back.

Should we give them the right to own and possess a gun again? Should we give dishonorably discharged military members their VA benefits? There's a price people pay for breaking the law.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Should we give them the right to own and possess a gun again? Should we give dishonorably discharged military members their VA benefits? There's a price people pay for breaking the law.

Isn't the idea that once you get out of jail, you've paid your debt to society?

Is there some evidence that preventing ex-cons from voting is actually a crime deterrent, or is more that we assume they will vote for the wrong side?

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Isn't the idea that once you get out of jail, you've paid your debt to society?

Is there some evidence that preventing ex-cons from voting is actually a crime deterrent, or is more that we assume they will vote for the wrong side?

Maybe losing your ability to vote could be considered as an additional "debt to society".

 

[imprimis]

Isn't the idea that once you get out of jail, you've paid your debt to society?

Is there some evidence that preventing ex-cons from voting is actually a crime deterrent, or is more that we assume they will vote for the wrong side?

In society there are certain rules which govern the orderliness of society. Break those rules and there are consequences. Don't want to bear the consequences---don't break the rules. It doesn't matter which side they vote for.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

So, if you get busted for possession at 18, you should never be able to vote? That seems like a pretty harsh consequence, and again, not one that I can see as actually being a deterrent. Just a "f*** them."

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

So, if you get busted for possession at 18, you should never be able to vote? That seems like a pretty harsh consequence, and again, not one that I can see as actually being a deterrent. Just a "f*** them."

Maybe a certain probationary period, say 5 years, after serving a felony sentence, then you are eligible to vote again. Possibly never eligible again for certain more serious crimes.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Maybe a certain probationary period, say 5 years, after serving a felony sentence, then you are eligible to vote again. Possibly never eligible again for certain more serious crimes.

I'd agree with this mostly, although to permanently give up a right, I'd be in favor of it somehow being related to the crime committed.

 

[MegaPoke]

So, if you get busted for possession at 18, you should never be able to vote? That seems like a pretty harsh consequence, and again, not one that I can see as actually being a deterrent. Just a "f*** them."

No, but that is a sentencing problem. Different conversation. Pot should be legal and nobody should ever go to prison or have a felony conviction for possession.

I'm sure you understand the objection here is that it is just shitty politics - not actual righting of a wrong. I would have the same thing to say if the republicans inappropriately shat out thousands of likely voters in a swing state. The naked political impetus is what I find objectionable.

 

[imprimis]

Virginia had the most restrictive rules of the states. Most felons have been able to regain their right to vote after serving their sentences, parole or probation in the remainder of the states.

https://exoffenders.net/felon-voting-rights/

 

[Mr. Blonde]

No, but that is a sentencing problem. Different conversation. Pot should be legal and nobody should ever go to prison or have a felony conviction for possession.

I'm sure you understand the objection here is that it is just shitty politics - not actual righting of a wrong. I would have the same thing to say if the republicans inappropriately shat out thousands of likely voters in a swing state. The naked political impetus is what I find objectionable.

I understand your objection. I agree with you regarding the political angle. My take is that he is doing the right thing for a cynical reason.

 

[MegaPoke]

I understand your objection. I agree with you regarding the political angle. My take is that he is doing the right thing for a cynical reason.

Wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. The obviousness of the reason is disgusting.

 

[PDT816]

Felons should have never had their voting rights taken in the first place. I've never understood how the public alllowed that to happen.

 

[poke2001]

Should we give them the right to own and possess a gun again? Should we give dishonorably discharged military members their VA benefits? There's a price people pay for breaking the law.

Dishonorable discharge is not the same thing as ex con.

if we can't trust them with a gun, why are they released from prison? Sounds like the DOC didn't do the 'C' part.