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Medic007

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So, while the socialist government endeavor in Venezuela has seemed to fail the Venezuelan people, surely their gun ban has helped the people, right? Socialism + gun ban = predictable results every single time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430

https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...a-gun-ban-venezuela-sees-rising-homicide-rate

Meanwhile in France where they have those "common sense" gun laws our lefties seem to believe in had yet another mass shooting by a peaceful Muslim. How do these people get guns to do this stuff in a country with "common sense" gun laws?

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/12/13/europe/france-strasbourg-shooting-manhunt/index.html
 
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CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Links to democrats asking for total gun bans? I’ll be waiting patiently lol
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"Recently, Australia managed to take away tens of thousands, millions of handguns. In one year, they were all gone. Can we do that? If we can't, why can't we?" a man asked Clinton.

"In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program," Clinton responded. "The Australian government, as part of trying to clamp down on the availability of automatic weapons, offered a good price for buying hundreds of thousands of guns. Then, they basically clamped down, going forward, in terms of having more of a background check approach, more of a permitting approach, but they believe, and I think the evidence supports them, that by offering to buyback those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and set a different standard for gun purchases in the future … So I think that's worth considering. I do not know enough detail to tell you how we would do it, or how would it work, but certainly your example is worth looking at."

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-rep...-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns
 
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Medic007 said:
"Recently, Australia managed to take away tens of thousands, millions of handguns. In one year, they were all gone. Can we do that? If we can't, why can't we?" a man asked Clinton.

"In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program," Clinton responded. "The Australian government, as part of trying to clamp down on the availability of automatic weapons, offered a good price for buying hundreds of thousands of guns. Then, they basically clamped down, going forward, in terms of having more of a background check approach, more of a permitting approach, but they believe, and I think the evidence supports them, that by offering to buyback those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and set a different standard for gun purchases in the future … So I think that's worth considering. I do not know enough detail to tell you how we would do it, or how would it work, but certainly your example is worth looking at."

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-rep...-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns
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Soooo...not advocating any ban, just considering a buyback program got it
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Links to democrats asking for total gun bans? I’ll be waiting patiently lol
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https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons-ban-summary

What the bill does:
The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

  • All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
  • All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
  • All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
  • All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
  • All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
  • 157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this page).
The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

  • Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
  • Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
  • Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
  • Antique weapons.
 
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Medic007 said:
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons-ban-summary

What the bill does:
The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

  • All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
  • All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
  • All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
  • All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
  • All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
  • 157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this page).
The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

  • Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
  • Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
  • Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
  • Antique weapons.
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Soooo...not a total ban, and even includes a grandfather clause got it
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Soooo...not advocating any ban, just considering a buyback program got it
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Has there ever been a govt program that has not started in a small way and grow to a big event? Lets start with federal taxes and toll roads. There is no way you can really believe that gun regulation would start with total gun confiscation, right? You have to believe it would start with a tax and or licencing of some sort then grow, right?
 
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ctrawick said:
Has there ever been a govt program that has not started in a small way and grow to a big event? Lets start with federal taxes and toll roads. There is no way you can really believe that gun regulation would start with total gun confiscation, right? You have to believe it would start with a tax and or licencing of some sort then grow, right?
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You’re drawing conclusions that aren’t there but you believe will happen, period. Just dreaming up scenarios.
 
When the American government goes around forcefully confiscating your weapons, all of them, then some of this posturing and imagery will make some sense.
 
ctrawick said:
Has there ever been a govt program that has not started in a small way and grow to a big event? Lets start with federal taxes and toll roads. There is no way you can really believe that gun regulation would start with total gun confiscation, right? You have to believe it would start with a tax and or licencing of some sort then grow, right?
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If the demlibs get control of all three branches of government again, i.e., House, Senate and Presidency per Ocasio-Cortez, they'll go straight to total gun confiscation. They missed their opportunity during Obama's first two years as they wasted their time on the now unconstitutional Obamacare.
 
Australia has 25 million residents. The USA has 350 million and at least that many guns. Not to mention there are probably 50+ million illegals.

So just on sheer numbers gun buy backs and confiscation are logistically impossible. And there is the real likelihood a significant number of the population would forcefully resist. So now you've created civil war.

Liberals will keep pushing these ideas. Common sense is not part of the liberal ideology.
 
imprimis said:
If the demlibs get control of all three branches of government again, i.e., House, Senate and Presidency per Ocasio-Cortez, they'll go straight to total gun confiscation. They missed their opportunity during Obama's first two years as they wasted their time on the now unconstitutional Obamacare.
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They couldn't because the 2nd Amendment stood in their way. Heller vs DC was a huge blow to the disarmament desires of the left.
 
Medic007 said:
They couldn't because the 2nd Amendment stood in their way. Heller vs DC was a huge blow to the disarmament desires of the left.
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You still believe the demlibs follow the constitution? In their mind, it's just a speed bump.
 
imprimis said:
You still believe the demlibs follow the constitution? In their mind, it's just a speed bump.
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I think they'd like it if they didn't have to but the Founders made it quite difficult to change it, and thanks to Trump, their desire to see the 2nd infringed upon again won't be anytime soon. That's what makes electing an absolute shithead to the presidency worth it.
 
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CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
When the American government goes around forcefully confiscating your weapons, all of them, then some of this posturing and imagery will make some sense.
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Let's not pretend we don't all know the ease with which a politician says that they are going to do one thing while doing something else.

Let's not pretend that, because we are thinking people ITT.
 
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CBradSmith said:
Let's not pretend we don't all know the ease with which a politician says that they are going to do one thing while doing something else.

Let's not pretend that, because we are thinking people ITT.
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Granted, there’s truth to that, but you can’t logically equate gun control to Venezuela confiscating all guns. That’s the premise of the thread and it’s a fearmongering narrative of the right.
 
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CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Granted, there’s truth to that, but you can’t logically equate gun control to Venezuela confiscating all guns. That’s the premise of the thread and it’s a fearmongering narrative of the right.
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How far off is a politician (who may secretly harbor the desire to ban all guns) from openly admitting such if polls tell them it's a winner politically?

The poll referenced in the below article shows 44% of Dems favor an outright gun ban. 73% Strongly favor a semi-automatic ban (that is up to 82% when Somewhat favor is added). The article acknowledges the poll didn't explain what a semi-automatic was, so many uneducated folks may conflate semi-automatic (which includes handguns) with automatic. 41% of Dems favor repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Is OP fearmongering or bell-ringing?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ban-semi-automatics-half-want-to-ban-all-guns

What are the rules around gun ownership in Democratic strongholds Chicago and New York? I genuinely don't know.
 
CSCOTTOSUPOKES said:
Granted, there’s truth to that, but you can’t logically equate gun control to Venezuela confiscating all guns. That’s the premise of the thread and it’s a fearmongering narrative of the right.
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^^^Someone^^^ needs to read up on the history of gun control in Venezuela from 2010 to 2014 that resulted in where they are today.
 
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