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And that's still a worse reaction that what 99.9% of what unvaccinated kids would feel if they got Covid.
@Cowguy and @Poketologist
Can you link or show me long-term studies regarding MRNA vaccinations in children? I recognize that MRNA has been around longer than the 2 years we've dealt with Covid, but I'm struggling to find much data about children studies other than the short-term (with very small sample sizes) Covid studies. I'm struggling to understand the urgency of vaccinating kids, given that a healthy kid that gets Covid has 99.999% survival rate. So without the vitriol and animosity of a Corndog post, I politely ask you to convince me why a parent should risk unknown potential long-term outcomes for his or her kid to protect a healthy kid from a virus that has a statistically insignificant risk for said healthy kids. The stats I'm seeing show just over 600 children have died from Covid since the start of the pandemic, of which the likely majority had comorbidities or were immuno-compromised. So why should a HEALTHY child get this vaccine?
This.
I’m also concerned that the parents that opted in for the vaccine test are such zealots they wouldn’t report issues.
My neighbors fit this mold. Zero percent chance they are reporting the odd symptoms their healthy 2 year old is having.
Treatment is improving on an already high survival rate. And, more evidence is showing surviving it is as, if not more, effective than the vaccines for long-term resistance.
No one can show you long-term outcomes for mRNA vaccines. They have only been used for just over a year.
So why would a healthy child get this vaccine?
To protect other, unhealthy children and adults.
I don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend that - the sooner we are all immune, the faster this fücking pandemic is over, the more lives are saved, the sooner our hospitals aren't overloaded, and we can all get back to our fücking lives?
Also, Happy Thanksgiving.
Ummm...it doesn't stop transmission- you should know this already. No healthy child should take it- especially to help others. I mean really?
The only people who will be truly immune are those that have had it and recovered, unless there is something else going on that is not being reported. This will never ever end and neither will the promulgation of needing booster after booster after booster. Never underestimate the determination people will display when trying to rehabilitate their reputation.
If I were a parent and had kids (disclaimer I don't) not a chance in hell would vaccinate my kid(s) with this. From Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w
The chances of catching then dying from the kungflu are miniscule...ridiculous to vaccinate children.
Really. It's how we stopped measles, polio, Rubella, and literally any other infectious disease for which there is a vaccine.
Except that it's not. Read a medical journal or two and you'll see why.
Children are marvelous asymptomatic viral vectors. Lots of vulnerable grandparents and people on immunosuppressants out there with insufficient or waning immunity.
And actually I'm not worried myself. This pandemic will end when enough people either:
1) get vaccinated
2) get infected and survive
3) get infected and die.
Those are the only 3 possibilities. The entire US has had more than ample chance to get a free vaccine. So the unvaccinated population's fate will be determined by the last two choices.
I will say that the 2nd choice isn't super-preferable. Long COVID, which will by conservative estimates impact the health of 15,000,000 Americans, is going to have a devastating effect on American healthcare for years. (Medical Journal article linked).
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Remind me how well-tested the polio and measles vaccines were at the time they were developed?
Dude, this is LITERALLY copied and pasted from the article you linked:
“The low rate of severe acute disease is important news, but this does not have to mean that COVID does not matter to children,” says paediatrician Danilo Buonsenso at the Gemelli University Hospital in Rome. "PLEASE, LET'S KEEP ATTENTION - AS MUCH AS IS FEASIBLE - ON IMMUNIZATION".
I believe polio had 14 years of trials.
10 years, with more testing for another 10 years, add in long term study total if 30 years and it took over ten years to get people vaxinated. It realy was a well tested vaxine before it was introduced to the population.
So - should we have waited another 10-30 years for COVID? It's approximately 240X as lethal as polio.
Put another way, in 10 years there would be 4.5 million people dead from COVID if is continued at the same rate, unabated.
We're talking about the mRNA at this time- its is admitted by all the demons at the cdc and big Pharma that is does not stop transmission- period.
No kid should ever take this- the boys have all kinds of myocarditis (can't be cured) and girls becoming sterile (can't reverse) when there is a 99.99 (repeating) Chance of Dying from the Plandemic.
If we're going to do this for 99.999 percent survival- might as well put an anti lightning suits on them each day or not let them get into a car to go to school - both of these they have a way more chance Of dying .
You're continued propaganda for Experimental shots is harmful.
When it comes to my children, I don’t really give a fück about the safety of people at risk. I care about the risk to my children, which cannot be calculated reliably at this time. So, if 4.5 million more people die because my kids aren’t vaccinated, I could not care less, especially when those at risk can get vaccinated themselves.
In. I'm genuinely curious to hear a realistic end game scenario where taking on an unknown risk is justified to potentially mitigate risk in others.
What does that scenario look like?
Hard to say. Hindsight can be alot easier to predict. Comparing it to polio though is not a good comparison. I see this a lot, but don't think it works to make a comparison. Was there a vaccine in both....yes. The similarities fall off after that.
Vax the at risk groups, and give it a decade to see what people do. Mandating it from DC is bad form. In ten years if the vax is still a good vaccine then many more in the group of non vaccinated will get the jab. Rushing never ends well.
You have a sizable test group, don't you need a sizeable control group now? After all we are following the science.
"And actually I'm not worried myself. This pandemic will end when enough people either:
1) get vaccinated
2) get infected and
3) get infected and die"
It's simple- this pandemic will end when enough people quit complying. More Everyday do,
Jab regret is prevalent, many see the coercion of our kids, workers etc. Banning $3 ivermectin so that they can jab more people, treating COVID patients with a GREAT chance of survival with $3k per dose experimental remdesivir that causes renal failure and intubation, censoring the other side of the argument et al.
More people see each day- it just needs to be a lot more.
Remember no more died in 2020 than the previous years- its a big damn lie.
Remember- big Harma makes $1000.....per second off of this scam
The original mRNA trials from the summer of 2020 included a control group.
Right now the un-vaccinated are functionally acting as a control group. Based on the results, it's failing miserably.
Hope the elderly and sick people your kids come into contact with are protected.
You wouldn't want Junior to kill his Mimi.
You have to understand 7th grade Algebra, Professor.
1900 per year died from polio
Link: https://api.nationalgeographic.com/...e/article/cannot-forget-world-before-vaccines
In 21 months in the USA, 775,000 deaths.
Link:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Monthly, that's 775,000 / 21 = 36,904 dead
Annualized, that's 12 X 36,904 ≈ 443,000
443,000 / 1,900 ≈ 233
I stand corrected. COVID is only 233 times as deadly as polio, not 240.
Thanks for calling out my error.
Mimi is “vaccinated” and would kill me if I vaccinated my kids. IMO anyone who vaccinates their kids is making a dumb decision, but I respect their choice.
Woah there, billy bob.
I think you’ve been relatively objective or at least making attempts. This is just an attempt at cruelty
There’s been little consistency amongst the experts for months and months.
Prime example:
“Because of the lower risk, the World Health Organization argues that vaccinating children is not a high priority, given that global supplies are insufficient to immunize all adults.”
Does data change? Sure.
Has it been clearly articulated in a manner to bring people on board? No. I’d know. I’m really farking good at building a narrative that makes brands lots of money.
What I HAVE seen is a lot of snark and cruelty toward people that rightfully have questions, especially minorities. I believe they care just as much about their kids as I expect you do.
Honestly, I think I’m just over the whole thing and getting ranty because dialogue on COVID is damned near impossible. Hell. I won’t be surprised when it’s illegal.
mRNA shots were Tested 3 times:
2005 cats- some died upon shots...rest died when reintroduced to the virus. 100 percent kill rate
2012 Ferrets- same results
Control groups human test a year or two ago- Pfizer and moderna LOST ALL OF THEIR RESULTS- couldn't tell which ones that died were control groups or experimental group- yeah right
Rest of the testing going on now with humans - so far in LT a year (USA only) over 17k have died with million plus injuries -
Most all being censored and suppressed by a corrupt media.
Why not take the shots🤔
Good post. It was a pretty shitty thing for him to say, but I just blame it on the sauce.
I'm glad you figured out the control group. That would also imply that you understand the vaxinated group is experimental. Personally mandating anything we are still experimenting with is not very scientific.
Your definition of failing miserably is different than mine. Death rates are falling dramatically. Hospitals are no longer overcrowded. If the vaccine is working, then between the vaccinated and those who have had it herd immunity has or is being obtained. Therapeutics are developing well.
Both sides of this seem to be screaming at brick walls.
Where is it that they are?
I haven't seen any stories lately about overcrowded hospitals. I would gladly bow to your expertise, but that still would not change my previous statement. That being said I don't put much stock in how many hospital beds are available. I watched that number get manipulated to drive a narritive so I am skeptical. So you can take it or leave it.
Welp, no sense wasting my time. Unless you're dying, go to your PCP or urgent care. And don't bother calling 911 to get to the front of the line. Thank me later.
If you can understand this article, YAY! If not, see above.
https://khn.org/news/article/hospital-emergency-rooms-swamped-seriously-ill-non-covid-patients/
You might look into what EMSA is doing if you're in Tulsa.
Well thanks for proving my point. The article starts out by saying hospitals are not overrun by covid. Now in your defense it does say that patients are overcrowding because of more severe illnesses.
With that being said, I would stick with previous post.
Interesting take though. So people are now coming in with more severe illnesses? Hum....didn't we say that would happen last year. Immune systems will not be functioning normaly. Its a good thing then that I ignored the stay at home orders.
I know the health personnel on this board have thier take and are experienced in medical response. Some of us rely on our own experience as well. So far you have showed me nothing to sway my own judgment. So I guess ill contact my pcp if I need to. Which was my original plan to begin with so thank you.
I've had 3 shots. Looking forward to my 4th. When I stop posting here, you'll know I've dropped dead from the fÛcking booster shot.
