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UPDATE: Ramadi FALLS; Mosul

Oddly enough, in a recent poll, it was determined that 100% of the people who died trying to retake what was already won believe it was Obama's fault that they had to die in the first place.

Happy New Year indeed!
 
"The complex is under our complete control, there is no presence whatsoever of Daesh fighters in the complex."
 
Excellent news. When you get a count on the casualties of Iraqi soldiers and civilians that were killed/maimed in the retaking of the city, please let us know so we can dance around and celebrate that as well.
 
Excellent news. When you get a count on the casualties of Iraqi soldiers and civilians that were killed/maimed in the retaking of the city, please let us know so we can dance around and celebrate that as well.
You neo-cons weren't quite so concerned about collateral damage in '03. Wonder why not??

Guess you would have preferred if it were American mideast policy that US Marines' blood was spilled to retake it? If so you're in the minority of Americans.
 
You neo-cons weren't quite so concerned about collateral damage in '03. Wonder why not??

Guess you would have preferred if it were American mideast policy that US Marines' blood was spilled to retake it? If so you're in the minority of Americans.
You lefties are clueless. I think there is a very good argument to be made that the war in Iraq was a major mistake.

What poeple are trying to point out is that the most recent fighting and death to retake these Iraqi cities and teritorry wouldn't have been necessary if President Obama had left a residual force in Iraq like his generals advised.
 
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What you righties fail to grasp--a residual force would have meant US casualties on Isis turf.

Exactly what the enemy would want. No greater recruitment poster than American soldiers portrayed as infidels, burned alive and American heads as hood ornaments.

Let the Iraqis fight their own civil war.
 
What you righties fail to grasp--a residual force would have meant US casualties on Isis turf.

Exactly what the enemy would want. No greater recruitment poster than American soldiers portrayed as infidels, burned alive and American heads as hood ornaments.

Let the Iraqis fight their own civil war.

What you fail to grasp is that Obama pulled out too early, like his dad should've.
 
What you righties fail to grasp--a residual force would have meant US casualties on Isis turf.

Exactly what the enemy would want. No greater recruitment poster than American soldiers portrayed as infidels, burned alive and American heads as hood ornaments.

Let the Iraqis fight their own civil war.
That is just flat out stupid. ISIS doesn't need one US Soldier to motivate them. I know this is what the left tells themselves to make themselves feel better about Obama screwing the pooch in the middle east but if it were true why didn't the US abandoning Iraq keep them out? Why are they still chopping off heads and crucifying children?

I have career military in my immediate family, 12 years US Army tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. I am told they don't know a single person in the rank and file Army who has an ounce of respect or even likes President Obama. They believe he hates the military and is a complete incompetent.

The people who served in Iraq know that defending Iraq and giving the Iraqi's a backbone would of cost some lives but they also are disgusted so many of their brothers gave their blood sweat and lives to stabilize that country and Obama threw it all away.

Blame Bush all you want but you can't undo what is already done and to throw away all the gains in Iraq for some political legacy of being a "peace" maker is disgusting to a lot of people and most of the military.
 
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HHunter--
Not to doubt your relatives, but I'm pretty sure the last polls I've seen show at least 1/3 of military are Democrats who support Obama and will be voting for Hillary. Obama will never send in American troops to fight punk thug JVers. Let their daddies and fellow countrymen deal with it. Our shores are no more threaatened by dash than by right wing extremists who shoot up churches and medical facilities. McVeigh was a terrorist too.
 
First even if it is 1/3 that is a low number. I'm sure there are a number of people in the military that support the President. Just like in the general populous there are many people who see President Obama has a significant historical figure and are so vested in wanting him to be successful they can't see all his faults and failures. He is a significant historical figure, he has also been a bad President who wouldn't get anything done if he didn't ignore current law or force change through unconstitutional executive order.

If you think ISIS is the JV and not a threat I'm afraid you've lost touch with reality. Listen to everyone of Obama's former CIA Chiefs and Defense Ministers they certainly seem very concerned.

As far as ISIS being on the same level as ring wing extremists well that one can only get a laugh. BTW the guy who shot up planned parenthood is just a flat out nut with no ties to the right at all. He listed his sex on his voter ID as female. Sounds more like an LGBT supporter to me.
 
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Sounds like very few of the Obama supporters who will be voting for Hillary are willing to admit it to their coworkers. I don't blame them.
 
Sounds like very few of the Obama supporters who will be voting for Hillary are willing to admit it to their coworkers. I don't blame them.
I'll be voting for her. So will a lot of people I know--MOST of them.
Nobody GOP trots out even in her league on toughness.
They been after her for 25 years even accusing her of murdering her best friend and she keeps kicking thier ass.
Finally going to have a Woman in the White House.
Bout time!!!
Tough as it gets...
http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...lary_clinton_has_become_a_subversive_act.html
 
Anyway, back to the original topic. RAMADI FALLS; MOSUL !!!!!!

RETAKE CITY LOST !!!! YAY !!!!!!!!!!
 
Obama keeping his cake fresh and eating it too. It's statecraft, gentlemen. Like Clinton, he knows how to win wars without chicken hawk bravado and spilling American blood. Drives the sickfats crazy. Hardly a chance for Lee Greenwood songs and parades if you just quietly win. No shock and awe and trillion dollars and 3500 dead Americans - just results and its unforgivable to chickenshit conservatives.

Head, real compelling. Are you also the one that only knows Mexicans that love trump?
 
If I were CIC I wouldn't spill ONE DROP of American Military blood to fight those JV punk thug cowards.They aint worth it.
F-ck those scum cowards!!!..
Never give them one soldier. Zero!!! That optic would recruit forever.
Let em pound sand.
Bomb thier coward assies out from the air (which we're doing)..

Then slowly strangle the bastards...theyre punks, they're quitters, COWARDS!!!just like they turned belly up today in Ramadi...

"We're not going to play them. They're going to play us."--Mister Iba
 
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Obama keeping his cake fresh and eating it too. It's statecraft, gentlemen. Like Clinton, he knows how to win wars without chicken hawk bravado and spilling American blood. Drives the sickfats crazy. Hardly a chance for Lee Greenwood songs and parades if you just quietly win. No shock and awe and trillion dollars and 3500 dead Americans - just results and its unforgivable to chickenshit conservatives.

Head, real compelling. Are you also the one that only knows Mexicans that love trump?
That was good for a laugh. Barry riding on Putin and Irans coattails, "leading" from his usual spot.
 
You two donkies are just plain silly. Lets leave out the fact that the Taliban is gaining ground in Afghanistan the one place that actually harbored the most well known terrorist and where he planned 911. But ya they raised a flag on a government building in Iraq, derp a derp a derp. I hope Bernie lets you two share my brain when he wins.
 
Head, real compelling. Are you also the one that only knows Mexicans that love trump?

I know lots of Mexicans been to Mexico many times, used to be in Mexico once a month for years. If you're asking me if I know Hispanic people who support Trump, yes I do, I also know Black people, Asian people and Native American people who support Trump. I also know a lot of people who don't support him including Mexicans.

As for me I haven't made up my mind on Trump but I'd vote for him everyday of the week and like a Democrat, twice on Sundays over Hillary or Bernie.
 
I know lots of Mexicans been to Mexico many times, used to be in Mexico once a month for years. If you're asking me if I know Hispanic people who support Trump, yes I do, I also know Black people, Asian people and Native American people who support Trump. I also know a lot of people who don't support him including Mexicans.

As for me I haven't made up my mind on Trump but I'd vote for him everyday of the week and like a Democrat, twice on Sundays over Hillary or Bernie.


Amazing. I wonder why polls consistently have such different results than your anecdotes? It's probably a conspiracy and they're lying and you're not really full of shit.

Yeah, that's it.
 
He never has addressed that has he? Interesting.
Nope, and he won't. He was so hell bent to be dishonest to attempt to lend himself some credibility in the gun debate that he threw out a claim that either paints him as a complete hypocrite or a complete liar.

Honestly, I thought that liberals were completely comfortable being both, so his lack of response is puzzling.
 
I need to clarify something:

I think I forgot about a rifle at a friend's cabin, a couple revolvers and an old .22. The accurate number is probably closer to 30.
 
Amazing. I wonder why polls consistently have such different results than your anecdotes? It's probably a conspiracy and they're lying and you're not really full of shit.

Yeah, that's it.
Are you talking about this poll?

http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/minorities-line-up-behind-donald-trump/

I guess we're supposed to use official Hillary approved polls only. The only liar and shit for brains is you and your second persona Up. We have doctors, engineers, successful business people and good people of all professions on this site and 99% of them disagree with you, but you're the smart one and we're all idiots. Fascinating how the lib mind rationalizes their stupidity.
 
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Are you talking about this poll?

http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/minorities-line-up-behind-donald-trump/

I guess we're supposed to use official Hillary approved polls only. The only liar and shit for brains is you and your second persona Up. We have doctors, engineers, successful business people and good people of all professions on this site and 99% of them disagree with you, but you're the smart one and we're all idiots. Fascinating how the lib mind rationalizes their stupidity.

See, I clicked the link and instantly saw the chance to "Stand with Franklin Graham and declare "I have hope for American because of Jesus Christ" and then look around the page and it's yet another booger eatin', right wing troll site. Nothing fascinating about your usual slanted, delusional information sources that only validate your world view.

Did you see any other polls about Trump with hispanics, or just stop once you read what you wanted to hear? I tell you what -- if Trump is polling like that with minorities, it's over - he'll win. Care to make a bet? No reason to debate it - if you believe your own bullshit make a bet that Trump wins the White House, Einstein. Should you check the board consensus first? Apparently the herd think is important to your feeble thought process.
 
@Headhunter still waiting on whether you're as confident as your rhetoric on here.... you up for a bet re: Trump? Those minorities love him so much, you see it over and over, let's make this happen.
 
I will make a bet with you sys. I bet that tomorrow or even if Hillary wins you are still a miserable little lying hypocritical punk. The hate in your heart is strong. Now back to the donkey juice.
 
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