I don't think we've kicked this around yet. What are your thoughts on the guy getting dragged off the plane?
United Airlines incident
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Comply with law enforcement or get your ass kicked. Same for young black males or nerdy old Chinese guys and yes the whites as well.
At the end, yes I would have complied when officers showed up. But maybe not until then. United was definitely in the wrong. United should have just kept increasing the compensation amount for volunteers until someone said okay.
it looks to be the coup de gras as far as airline travel is concerned. Just a graphic presentation of how customers are treated on a daily basis traveling on that bus line...and they are all bus lines only out for a higher stock price. Consumers should start demanding more service and less price and right now it might work. All you guys need to start purchasing fraction shares....!
Nice conformist push over pansy attitude. I'd take that ass whopping in exchange for a seven figure settlement...
Read the legal agreement when you buy your ticket
Yes, take an hour to read the fine print every time you book a flight. It's an adhesion contract with un-negotiated terms, so there's nothing you can or can't agree to, but take the time and read it anyhow.
Harry takes ol' Massah's side at every turn.
They didn't overbook the flight, either. They just wanted to kick off a passenger, offer them less than the cap, and save from having to rent a car or pay to fly their employees to another airport.
SO liberal of you. The consequences of your actions are looked at through an emotional lens. Someone chooses not to read the fine print (which is all stupid and ghey because of nutjob lawyers like yourself) and now after throwing a three year old temper tantrum and getting his ass kicked by the police here come the lawyers to clean up on the back side.
Follow the rules. It's explained in kindergarten in depth. Same with Michael brown et al
Right, Massah? Just follow the rules and don't take it past a kindergarten level. Don't complain when they kick you off for their own employees -- they put it in the fine print!
I'm glad to see the Dr. is suing them. They deserve it. It takes a special kind of cuck to take the airline's side.
United was in the wrong completely. The flight was Chicago to Louisville if I remember correctly. They overbooked the flight is what they said, but in reality they were trying to get four flight crew members to Louisville. Its like a three to four hour drive. DRIVE THEM THERE. UA spent at least that much time in just having to deal with their stupidity. Can't drive them, they need to be there now, um.... get on a corporate jet that UA has in Chicago and fly them there your self. Why interrupt your money making enterprise and customers to get your failure to plan fixed. Next why in the world are you moving personnel to Louisville from Chicago. Let me guess you screwed up a fueling in Nashville and it took two hours longer than you anticipated, and you were counting on that flight crew to have those two hours and now your screwed because you overcomplicated you flight and crew management. No sympathy for UA. This is why I don't fly commercial unless I have to. Corporate will overcomplicate the plan to save a dollar. They don't' care because you as the customer have signed all your rights away, and there is no other means for your company to allow you travel. Throw in that they will take off without all of their aircrafts redundant systems working, that they cage you in your seat like an imprisoned ISIS soldier, and you have to pay me to get on one of their death traps. Check out the cost of flying in other parts of the world. It's not half as high, the service is better, and aircraft is the same (in that they both are not working as intended). Have fun in the friendly skies travelers. I will be driving to Vegas.
I love how lawyers just jump back and forth between what is legal and what feels legal.
Lemming. Stooge. Follower.
Had something similar happen 3 or 4 years ago, at least AA had the good sense to lie to me to get me off the plane.
"Mr. Allen, we have switched you to another flight in premium class - it is a direct flight and you will arrive a bit ahead of schedule."
Get off the plane, go to the counter, find they put me on Frontier with a short connection in Denver which I subsequently miss.
Won't be flying AA again.
That Michael brown wasn't a lemming or a stooge or a follower was he? The chinaman asked for it especially after running back on the plane.
Society has rules. Companies have rules.
It would be really easy to get them to be but liberals have made it against the rules to enforce rules. Take the three worst kids in your class and give them swats at the front of the room so the whole room can watch them cry their eyes out. But nooo that doesn't feel good and kids are probably transitioning into another gender or species for that matter and you will need medicine and counselors and team meetings and ip's.
Mr rule breaker! Look out world sys is the new rosa parks of misguided airline regulations!!
Yes, we need more conservative solutions to Oklahoma's education.
Gov.
Lt. Gov.
Senate
House
Sec of Ed.
They're in total control and it's the liberals' fault. Please, we yearn for more conservative solutions.
yes I was only talking about Oklahoma. That's the only place it is happening and has only been since Mary Fallon became governor. Good one! You really knocked that one out of the park.
I don't understand the practice of overbooking a flight. Why do airlines do that? Because some people are no shows? Haven't the no shows already paid for a ticket? If the airline already has the money why does it care if the seat is empty?
In this case it doesn't look like overbooking. It looks like they were trying to get UA personnel on to go work another flight.
Yes, I understand that. What I don't understand is why an airline overlooks its flights.
They are trying to maximize the income of each flight. Overbook 4 to 5 seats as on average that is what will miss the flight. It doesn't equate on smaller flights and backfires when too many people show. I would say in general this doesn't happen as much as you may think but enough to be visible. For many it's a way to get numbed to first class or pay for their ticket and they don't mind. For others it gets in the way of making connections.
OK, I still don't get it. If 4 to 5 people don't show up haven't they still paid for a ticket? How does the airline justify collecting money for 104 seats when there are only 100 seats available?
Because airlines are, you know, in the business of making money. They are what you would call a for-profit business. If 4 or 5 people don't show up and they sell those 4 or 5 tickets to other people, guess what? They just made more money. Who do you expect that airlines would have to justify collecting money for 104 seats when there are only 100 available to? Their shareholders, who want their money maximized? You?
Harry, I am not a frequent flier by any stretch of the imagination. I take one, maybe two flights per year. I have never read the legal agreement. Indeed, How stupid am I: I didn't even know there was a legal agreement! But based on your comment I assume you have read the legal agreement. So I'm asking. you. Does the legal agreement give the airline authority to sell more tickets than there are seats available? And if they do sell more tickets than seats, does the airline have legal authority to refuse seats to some of the ticket holders? The only recourse to the airline being they have to put the stranded ticket holders on another flight, a flight for which they probably already overbooked? And the public, being trained sheep, ungrudgingly acquiesces? Because the legal agreement allows for no protest by the person denied the seat on the flight for which he paid his money? Is that in the legal agreement?
Because if that's part of the legal agreement I am surprised that no "watchdog organization" has not brought a class action civil suit. Am I correct that sys is a trial lawyer? That looks like a big juicy plum just waiting for a lawyer to pluck off the vine. Also it seems to me it is a situation just begging for a politician to make a name for himself by hyperventilating over the unfairness, promising that he's going to protect us little people.
If I remember correctly United kicked 4 passengers off the flight. Three of them left without incident, and Dr. Dao got dragged off. The four were randomly chosen by a computer I believe I read. Were any of the four from First Class? Does the computer ignore First Class? If so isn't that discrimination? Doesn't that open the airline up to another civil suit? And the good doctor is a man of color, correct? Did UA commit a hate crime?
Maybe one question per post I'm not a machine or cowboyjd.
The easy one is three of the four people were not minorities right? How could discrimination even be conceived?
The easy one is three of the four people were not minorities right? How could discrimination even be conceived?
I don't think I would get off the plane after I was already seated just because I was "randomly selected". If I needed to get home I could see where I would not get up. I wouldn't, however, get pulled off the plane. I would get up and walk off once authorities were there.
A great example to me actually could of happened yesterday. I was flying home from a business trip in Phoenix. My teenage daughter was having surgery at home (Tulsa). I would not have wanted to be bumped from that flight and missed being with her.
Interesting attitude. Do you feel the same way about all your endeavors? Does the NFL get to sell more tickets than seats in the stadium, and then are permitted to kick you out once you've occupied your seat? They're offering you a stipend, and they show up with three or four "security personnel." Also they're giving you a ticket to a high school football game to make up for your inconvenience. Why would you protest? A football game is a football game, right? Do you quietly exit the stadium and complain later?
If the legal agreement is in fact a "legal" agreement then no recourse is available. I haven't read it either. I don't read the fifteen pages I get from apple when using their products. I do do so knowing I am ignorant if the law but when you accept the terms whether you read it or not, that is a personal responsibility of the individual. Should it be illegal to have legal agreements that are written by lawyers so the majority of people could never understand them? Probably. If so, lobby congress and change the law.
Of course first class wasn't included. Those people spend more money as do frequent flyers. If everything they did is explained in the ticket purchase agreement and that agreement has been concluded as legal then punch that mother fuvcker in the face and drag his carcass off the plane. If the airline had never explained their overbooking process (given the opportunity to review), targeted only minorities or was secretive/manipulative in anyway then the line of pro bono lawyers should take united for a dump truck of cash.
Of course first class wasn't included. Those people spend more money as do frequent flyers. If everything they did is explained in the ticket purchase agreement and that agreement has been concluded as legal then punch that mother fuvcker in the face and drag his carcass off the plane. If the airline had never explained their overbooking process (given the opportunity to review), targeted only minorities or was secretive/manipulative in anyway then the line of pro bono lawyers should take united for a dump truck of cash.
And by the way all united airlines did was call the police because a passenger wasn't complying with the agreement he had previously agreed to. Right?
Did Chicago police follow the babysitters rules obama was forcing in local jurisdictions? We will have to wait and see if they went through their checklist of obama approved gentle apprehension techniques of non white individuals.
Did Chicago police follow the babysitters rules obama was forcing in local jurisdictions? We will have to wait and see if they went through their checklist of obama approved gentle apprehension techniques of non white individuals.
Planes are a completely different animal post 9/11. You go through security and they own you. Take the path of least resistance and complain later.
i know what I've said above, but you have to at least argue your case - politely - and when doing so do NOT give up your seat. Possession is 9/10ths ownership. So, you're absolutely right.
I respectfully disagree. It is the exact same principle. In each case the consumer purchased a ticket - he paid money in advance of the service - and was presented an assigned seat, an exact seat (section, row, seat number, etc.). Then the party that took your money and assigned you the exact location where you could reside betrays the agreement and kicks you out of the seat - for which you had paid in advance, and around which you had made all past and future plans. You're out, no argument, get out of the seat and get off the plane or out of the stadium. I repeat: It's the same principle. You're OK with it on a plane, but opposed to it if the NFL does it?
