U.S. Cities w/ Unrest
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Interesting. Birmingham? Selma? Tulsa?
So we're using political dynamics of the 40's. Not stretching at all..... Don't forget the New York draft riots during the civil war.
So we're using political dynamics of the 40's. Not stretching at all..... Don't forget the New York draft riots during the civil war.
You've misunderstood the above graphic. The dates are the last date a Republican held the office of mayor in said cities.
BTW, the mayor of Selma in 1965 was Democrat Joe Smitherman. I don't know about Birmingham or Tulsa. I imagine the Birmingham mayor was also a Democrat. Tulsa could've been either party
So? It was a totally different political dynamic, the parties stood for different things, even culturally much different.
What's your point, that democrats historically are bad at governing? Dony liberally wanna open the door for examples of republican incompetence? I don't have to go back 50 years if you do. We can talk about the last stupid war that destabilized the entire Middle East. Or the deficits under republican presidents. Or the abysmal economic record. Other than foreign and domestic policy, republicans have done really well in this generation.
Oklahoma was almost exclusively a Democrat run state until the 1960's. There were parts of Oklahoma where you couldn't get elected dog catcher as a Republican until well into the 90's.
Let someone spell it out for you citrus fruit. American hell holes of segregation and crime and being left behind economically are that way because of decades of liberal governance.
Gun violence and the wealth gap being the most ironic.
Im sure these are strongholds for liberals in the current war against women (or as I like to call it "the war between the genders")???
Gun violence and the wealth gap being the most ironic.
Im sure these are strongholds for liberals in the current war against women (or as I like to call it "the war between the genders")???
The south should be kicking some serious ass in a number of socioeconomic factors -- it's had republican dominated government for a while. This will be fun....
would also be interesting to see which of those liberal run paradises have the largest unfunded liabilities for cities employees at present. Know would think LA, Chigago & Detroit for sure are in the top 5. is on of them,
Wait, I thought this was a graphic of US cities currently experiencing unrest and the last time they had a Republican as mayor? Birmingham, Selma, and Tulsa are also experiencing unrest? Tulsa would definitely be news to me since I have friends there who have said nothing about it.
Yep, just verifying that sys did in fact pull the ole' bait and switch and people followed him down the rabbit hole.
@ThorOdinson13 you're right. I went back and looked at the graphic and you're straight right.
So interesting that "protestors continue to flood the streets" of those cities (really? still flooding all those streets, huh?) but Cleveland, North Charleston, Albuquerque, Minneapolis, Waller County TX, Los Angeles, Ferguson, Cincinnati, etc. are excluded in that list. Wonder why? Why would the author of that meme cherry pick select only those cities where police brutality/bad shootings occur? and people protest? Huh.
There you go, now you're on point. And the reason is as obvious to me as it is to you, to meet a desired narrative like any other journalist writing an article for their team would do. It just so happens this guy/gal is on the red team.
So. I had to dig in, really look at it and think about it with an open mind since I didn't read it closely the first time. Every time I do that with one of these conservative memes, it's the same: either unfairly one-sided to validate the feeling or worldview of someone, or simply deceptive and a waste of time. It's my fault, I owe that penance and wasted time for not reading it closely and commenting on it. This failed experiment has once again validated that conservatives hear and believe what they want.
The serial intellectual dishonesty from the right, the inability to question their own dogma, has polarized the country.
"Here." Not "hear." Sorry. That's all I got from this. I did read it pretty fast though.
I did it again -- checked the claim. Wrong, as usual.
Grammar isn't like right wing politics, the rules don't change just because you wave a flag and believe it.
You are kidding yourself if you honestly believe both sides don't do this.
Oh, all politicians do it. The right wing dogma is even offensive even to people with conservative leanings. It's totally off the chart. The presidential primary is the biggest monkey %#€* I can remember and it's the inevitable result of years of disinformation from every GOP communicator.
You get more amusing with each post. While conservatives are ditching the traditional Republican platforms, the liberals are lapping up every little grease smudge the Democrats offer up. The group think of the left is nauseating.
There is a lot of truth to this. Conservatism has largely been hijacked. In fact, Republican is now synonymous with conservative and it is assumed that if a Republican supports a position it must assuredly be a conservative position, something Democrats are all to happy to leach on too. However, the reality of this relationship isn't quite so simple or true and I'll go as far as to say that most Republicans and Democrats don't even know what conservatism really consists of. The hijacking of the tag "conservative" by the Republican party is creating an evolution of positions which have largely not been a part of the conservative philosophy.
Many people who call themselves conservative have been duped into taking liberal, and even progressive, positions just simply because the Republican party has taken those positions. Now, that's not a slam against people that have taken the bait. I took the DeceptiCON bait up to around 2003-2004. Many of them are good hardworking folk that would give you the shirt off their back if you were in need. I also believe that a lot of these people are starting to wake up and realize they've been taken advantage of. Look at this board for instance, there are several posters that have separated themselves from the party and refuse to continue voting for the party. Just 4-5 years ago it would have been thought to be unfathomable for those posters not to continue to play the "lesser of two evils" game. Yet, it is occurring with people who consider themselves died in wool conservative. If it is happening in such a "red" demographic you can guarantee it's happening at a higher rate than the Republican party will ever admit. The Republican party is either going to be forced into change or it will die a slow painful death and be replaced with something better.
A couple of years ago I asked two questions on this board and I did not get one single serious answer. In fact, I don't think I got one single reply from conservatives while the liberals just replied with their signature smarm. Perhaps I should ask the questions again. I think we might get some responses today.
The two questions?
Conservatives, what are you trying to conserve?
Liberals, what are you trying to progress toward?
I would like to be conservative or the government to be conservative in spending and growing. I think it is by far time to do an audit on the Federal government. I think that they have grown so much that you can no longer correctly police the funding to some of these government agencies. I also think that they have grown so big that a President or Congress can use them to push agendas now and that really makes me mad. I don't want Obama using the EPA like a gangster squad or the IRS to vet his competition in presidential races like they did to Romney. I also don't want republicans using agencies to push their agendas. I don't just agree or think everything is great because a republican is in office. I would like to see a push to reduce the Federal governments and see the states get a little bit more responsibilities in some areas. Schooling for one should be done at the state level. As I want to make sure the Bill of Rights is conserved. I am tired of all these yoyo's thinking that just because our forefathers use muskets that I have no right to an AR. Guess what the army and every other army has AR's so do the terrorist now it seems by way of the federal government oh and they have all the equipment left behind in Iraq.
I hope I stayed on point enough to give a good answer to this. I also wonder really if there is a difference between the two parties other then social issues.
As asked, progress in general. On all fronts. Medical care, civil rights, economy, foreign policy. Wise and benevolent governance and fostering of individual freedoms. A collective effort to make sure everyone gets their shot, I.e. opportunity.
I can't figure out who would be against this.
Define your objectives.
Use nouns, proper nouns where applicable, and action verbs. This is an attempt at a legitimate dialogue.
Medical care progress means .....
Civil rights progress means.....
Progress on the "economy" means....
Foreign policy "progress" means.....
A "collective effort" would manifest itself as....
Gets "their shot" can be best identified when....
Kudos on your shout-out to individual freedoms.
By "collective effort" I take it you mean the government and society. Why is it my responsibility to "make sure" everyone gets their shot.
I'm all for a level playing field but there are people of all kinds of different abilities and ambitions so there will always be disproportionate outcomes, good and bad.
If people choose not to be educated or productive that's on them. Leave me out of it.
You and I agree in your second paragraph.
"Why is it my responsibility to "make sure" everyone gets their shot?"
1. It's not. Don't worry -- a black kid born on the southside of Chicago doesn't have near the "shot" as one of your kids, I'll bet. Parenting, education, resources, role models, access to capital -- your kid wins and you don't have to do shit to level things out. You don't have to spend hardly anything on that black kid. The welfare she or he consumes is a tiny, tiny, tiny part of your income and total federal budget.
2. Self preservation. Because you and yours will be better off in the long run if other people have opportunity. Whenever some people don't have economic opportunity, and they get mad, things don't generally end well for the wealthy. They outnumber the wealthy. You may be above that historical trend, but most people aren't.
3. Out of a sense of right and wrong. Many people give a shit about other people, even if it's not immediately helpful to them.
3. So that we're not a nation of soft, selfish assholes that inherit money and spend a lifetime hoarding and protecting it. Idle, lazy, entitled wealth rots a nation. Productivity and ambition do not.
So you believe that in a country where 30% of the population thinks it is too much effort to even bother to graduate from a high school that is free of charge to them, that the real problem is that kids aren't getting opportunities?
Brad, i don't have time to respond to all this, but I'll do my best on-the-run, tweet-style responses:
Medical care progress means ..... Universal health care, ideally, or something approaching that for people that want to take advantage of it.
Civil rights progress means..... Equality. See the next one -- where opportunity and treatment from the government is fair and helpful to make people succeed, or at least not hold them back. I personally think that disparity in economic and education issues is a bigger deal than law enforcement and public discrimination issues. Education inequality is the biggest issue to me.
Progress on the "economy" means.... Less economic disparity and more opportunity -- i.e. getting their shot. Better education and training and opportunity to succeed for poor people, more wages for unskilled labor, a working wage where an unskilled laborer can still make a living and retire without being in poverty.
Foreign policy "progress" means..... not much right now, I'm pretty happy with Obama's foreign policy... generally staying out of destructive wars and military spend-fests in general. I wish we didn't spend so much on guns and more on butter.
A "collective effort" would manifest itself as.... Organized effort and application of resources to solve big problems, the most common example being government. Many examples -- the manhattan project, polio eradication, ozone preservation, acid rain remediation, etc. Carbon reduction and health/longevity measures come to mind right now.
Gets "their shot" can be best identified when.... A poor kid gets access to the same educational resources as a rich kid gets, including substantive information, role modeling, teaching to think, teaching to work, etc. That education and access to other educated people and culture and expectations is a big deal in making successful people and countries.
Medical care progress means ..... Universal health care, ideally, or something approaching that for people that want to take advantage of it.
Civil rights progress means..... Equality. See the next one -- where opportunity and treatment from the government is fair and helpful to make people succeed, or at least not hold them back. I personally think that disparity in economic and education issues is a bigger deal than law enforcement and public discrimination issues. Education inequality is the biggest issue to me.
Progress on the "economy" means.... Less economic disparity and more opportunity -- i.e. getting their shot. Better education and training and opportunity to succeed for poor people, more wages for unskilled labor, a working wage where an unskilled laborer can still make a living and retire without being in poverty.
Foreign policy "progress" means..... not much right now, I'm pretty happy with Obama's foreign policy... generally staying out of destructive wars and military spend-fests in general. I wish we didn't spend so much on guns and more on butter.
A "collective effort" would manifest itself as.... Organized effort and application of resources to solve big problems, the most common example being government. Many examples -- the manhattan project, polio eradication, ozone preservation, acid rain remediation, etc. Carbon reduction and health/longevity measures come to mind right now.
Gets "their shot" can be best identified when.... A poor kid gets access to the same educational resources as a rich kid gets, including substantive information, role modeling, teaching to think, teaching to work, etc. That education and access to other educated people and culture and expectations is a big deal in making successful people and countries.
No. Where'd you get that?
I've seen some of these urban schools, and compared the expectations and resources available to them with private schools. There's a gross disparity. If 30% of kids drop out, that suggests a big problem with education. The system plainly isn't working, is it?
Or lazy ass parents aren't making the kids go to school. Kids don't think like adults so how would paying their dues to a private school put butts in the seats? In the town I grew up in I think there was a 50% drop out rate from 9th grade to 12th. This was poor white kids for the most part and most just had parents that didn't make them go to school or cared if they didn't go to school. How do private schools change this?
Huh? How the hell would these kids ever get into private schools?
I guess you just never had a teacher that made a difference. I agree parents are the biggest factor, but i disagree you just throw up your hands and walk away in an instance of bad parenting. Lots of great, productive people came out of bad parents.
So if it works for your cause it is ok to count the small percentages in your favor? I would say the percentage of kids who were successful and had parents who did not care and let them break laws and are success stories is small.
So what solves the issue of keeping kids in school and turning around an almost 50% drop out rate? How many of those magical teachers you have stashed out there?
