Finally Trump did something that I appreciate him for,walking into North Korea.Whether it was out of desperation I wouldn't know if he gets back into the Iran nuclear deal I would never say any thing against his foreign policy instincts.
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Thumbs up on NK. No desperation. Just classy diplomatic instincts.
Thumbs down on Iran. They need a good old fashioned revolution.
so how does that happen?
coup not possible
so change little rocket mans way of thinking
which trump is doing
Support the revolution and uprising in Iran through diplomatic pressure, sanctions, and empowering the marginalized individuals within the country. We will protect ourselves but a war with Iran is a no-no.
I personally dont think revolution in Iran is possible in this situation. It would be possible if people had other worries than food on their table. The Iranis that I know who are
anti mullahs dont like the US attitude right now. They thought that after the treaty was signed it would strengthen the moderates there.
anti mullahs dont like the US attitude right now. They thought that after the treaty was signed it would strengthen the moderates there.
Well the Irani's that don't like our attitude at the moment need to shift their eyes towards the government leaders of Iran who support terror around the world and keep their boot down on their own people. Taking a non-violent stance and ramping up pressure without blood shed is 100% the way to go.
Tired of regime change wars that only end up destabilizing the region and it's a free for all for power. Let the people of Iran decide their direction. Our interests should be protecting the United States and our allies in the region.
You cannot group them all together into one group of one mind. The Persians (all engineers) I know who live here in the US are anxious for a revolt to start.
Well I am talking about Iranis living in Iran. Very different situation than the one's living in the US. You have to remember the mullahs also have a lot of support it is not like shah's regime which was totally unpopular outside tehran.
Iranis living there feel that as moderates get stronger there is a possibility of over throwing or weakening mullahs support.and stronghold.
Iranis living there feel that as moderates get stronger there is a possibility of over throwing or weakening mullahs support.and stronghold.
@aliabedi i appreciate your sentiment. This could all be for nothing, but with President after President watching NK become a nuclear power most of us just wanted a different approach. Something new.
This ass kissing is cultural in my opinion. Trump has dealt with East Asians his whole adult life. It makes me crazy when I read on twitter that trump loves dictators. I would bet anything he hates kim. He knows more than anyone how cruel and depraved he is. This is a shot to see if change can happen. The people of North Korea deserve it, our allies deserve it and let’s see. But the bar was set at a new/different approach and trump is delivering that. It’s something only an outsider of Washington DC would consider.
This ass kissing is cultural in my opinion. Trump has dealt with East Asians his whole adult life. It makes me crazy when I read on twitter that trump loves dictators. I would bet anything he hates kim. He knows more than anyone how cruel and depraved he is. This is a shot to see if change can happen. The people of North Korea deserve it, our allies deserve it and let’s see. But the bar was set at a new/different approach and trump is delivering that. It’s something only an outsider of Washington DC would consider.
The idea that Trump is in over his head and loves dictators is incredibly lazy and stupid. So, it’s the perfect worldview for people whose maximum political speed is stupid and lazy.
Countries love money and prosperity. You give Kim a striptease of economic success in exchange for getting rid of the nukes. Take away Iran's power in the region by hitting their bank accounts and waiting them out with strategic pressure through sanctions. Bleed them dry and get your allies around the world to do the same. Box them out.
Agreed. Working outside the box is commendable. Hope it bears fruit. NK is still a nuclear threat, so it’s a little early to declare victory on that front. Still lots of work to do.
Iran has been proven to give large sums of money to terrorists and has been designated a Sponsor of Terrorism by our State Department dating back to the 1980’s, so I’d say that’s still a problem, that’s a fact.
And this is not me saying excuse SA and their (even very recent) wrong-doings especially in the very likely murder and cover-up of a journalist. Murder is sickening, vile, and we should have sent a stronger message on that, something I disagree with the President about. Saying that, I’d like to prevent the death of possibly millions with the threat of development of nuclear weapons by known supporters of terrorism
What is Kim's primary motivation for nukes? It's to prevent regime change. He believes the world is out to get him and for the last 60 years he would be right. Trump is offering a way out.
Instead of the being a tyrant that his people fear he can transition into beloved leader who led his country into the modern world.
The state of Iran is run by religious zealots, they are a much tougher nut to crack and in the long run much more dangerous.
Instead of the being a tyrant that his people fear he can transition into beloved leader who led his country into the modern world.
The state of Iran is run by religious zealots, they are a much tougher nut to crack and in the long run much more dangerous.
Money to which terrorist group? please read history and see the terrorism committed by the US on Iran.
Kim is, and will always be, a tyrant dictator.
I don't even believe that you believe he can transition to anything else.
It will never happen.
I agree with you. However that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Even if we get some progress, that would be better than no progress or even regression.
If we know it will never happen, then yeah...it shouldn't be a factor or a goal or a justification in dealing with him.
At the same time that doesn't mean we don't try to negotiate denuclearization because it's in our best interests. It makes us safer. We deal with repressive regimes all the time in our own best interests.
I'm just saying let's not try to fool ourselves on why we are doing what we are doing, and we aren't doing this to give Kim a chance to change.
Have to sever the ties between NK & Iran, especially in the nuclear development/cooperation department. Part of me says this is part of an overall agreement with China, who does not want millions of NK's flowing over their boarder when a complete collapse happens due to the lack of economic activity. In return maybe Trump gets some concessions from China on tariffs and illicit supplying of materials to NK by China.
Also, always left out of these stories is this is something South Korea is pushing for and pretty hard. The Chinese absolutely don't want to see Japan get stronger militarily and amend their constitution further to potential commitment of troops outside of Japan.
All this may work or may not, but it is a different approach and anyone (of either political strip) not willing to see how it plays out is a moron.
As others have said Kim isn't going to change, but what you don't want is a nuclear NK suffering through a crazy military back coup who might have with its initiators having zero inhibitions in using nuclear weapons and that threats every single country bordering NK.
The Israeli's are going to take care of the Iranian nuclear facilities and development. Bank it.
Also, always left out of these stories is this is something South Korea is pushing for and pretty hard. The Chinese absolutely don't want to see Japan get stronger militarily and amend their constitution further to potential commitment of troops outside of Japan.
All this may work or may not, but it is a different approach and anyone (of either political strip) not willing to see how it plays out is a moron.
As others have said Kim isn't going to change, but what you don't want is a nuclear NK suffering through a crazy military back coup who might have with its initiators having zero inhibitions in using nuclear weapons and that threats every single country bordering NK.
The Israeli's are going to take care of the Iranian nuclear facilities and development. Bank it.
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I doubt very much Kim will change. I was only pointing out what I believe is Trump's game plan.
It will probably fail just like every other President since the Korean war. I give him credit for not trying the same old failed tactics of the past and trying a new approach.
No reason over time NK can’t follow Vietnam’s paths.
Kim evidently is a wheezing chain smoking mess. He’s simply a tool for denuking NK. I doubt he even has the capacity to understand freedom for himself or his people. What comes next after Kim is what will be interesting. Then again this is following the Gorbachev history similarly. The weight of the sanctions is probably unsustainable.
Kim evidently is a wheezing chain smoking mess. He’s simply a tool for denuking NK. I doubt he even has the capacity to understand freedom for himself or his people. What comes next after Kim is what will be interesting. Then again this is following the Gorbachev history similarly. The weight of the sanctions is probably unsustainable.
You believe Trump’s game plan or motive is to give Kim time to change?
I hope it isn’t that.
I hope it’s that he recognizes exactly what Kim is and will be and is dealing with him anyway.
I believe he is offering to help North Korea with economic development in exchange for giving up his nuclear ambitions and repressive ways.
But I'm sure you can articulate a better, more sustainable plan. Can't wait to hear it.
Somebody got their wheaties peed in.
I never criticized the economic development for giving up nuclear ambitions plan. I never claimed to have anything better.
I believe he is offering to help North Korea in exchange for giving up or reducing his nuclearization. I believe Kim's repressive ways don't and probably shouldn't factor into the equation at all.
Clear enough for ya?
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