Trump, explained by a french philosopher.

[MegaPoke]

Trump is to the political status quo as professional wrestling is to professional boxing. Interesting take, and I think rather spot on. I actually predict he will not ultimately be the nominee, but I think he is doing one thing that's necessary and highly valuable - I think he's sucking up all the oxygen in the room and starving the predictable, boring shit right out of the debate. He's exposing the beholden 'bought' politicians and creating a clear delineation between the political class and business class in the GOP race.

Is he a clown? Yes. But that doesn't always mean he's wrong. He's number three on my GOP list right now because I am not convinced he's ultimately doing anything more than entertaining himself and I'm not 1000% sure he wants to be president. But, I think he doesn't just make waves, he makes tidal waves and those waves have swept along a couple of people I find very interesting and refreshing in Fiorina and Carson. They may ultimately be the beneficiaries of the enema Donald is giving American politics right now.

My favorite line:

In the current campaign, Trump is behaving like a professional wrestler while Trump’s opponents are conducting the race like a boxing match. As the rest of the field measures up their next jab, Trump decks them over the head with a metal chair.

 

[ctdub]

I favored Trump going into last debate and was really turned off with his playing the victim act during and after. I'm with you in that he is my third choice after Carly and Carson. But since that debate he has continued to gain favor with me again. It's not that I like him as much as I like that he is calling out the current political system.

Trump: Let's make America great again. Do you like winning? Let's win!

Biden: Trump has a sick message.

 

[MegaPoke]

It's not that I like him as much as I like that he is calling out the current political system.

Exactly. That's what people don't understand. It's not Trump per se', it's that he is the first candidate to do more than just SAY the system is broken. He's calling it out and slapping it around. He's a bull in a china shop. He's an uninvited guest who's loud and drunk and saying things that everyone is already thinking. He's not necessarily who I want as president, but he is saying and doing things that need saying and doing..... along with some silly nonsense that neither needs said nor done of course. But he is a living indictment of the American political class and his support is the American public's statement of disapproval of the status quo.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

I get where you guys are coming from vis-a-vis thumbing his nose at the politival elite; they are infinitely deserving of it. Does it not matter, though, that Trump is a complete phony? Or that his views on a whole host of issues are contrary to your own views?

Just for one easy example of his phoniness: his claims that his money has afforded him the ability to make politicians do his will. However, he made a large donation to Jeb's gubernatorial campaign expressly because he wanted Bush to approve casino gambling in FL for a property Trump owned/wanted to develop into a casino. Bush didn't approve it; Trump quite publicly ripped him for it, and that is pretty obviously still the reason Trump has such disdain for Bush.

 

[MegaPoke]

Ask me again after the debate. As for now, I think he's doing a great job of just breaking shit and destroying the game plan. I think he fades and someone electable fills the vacuum. We'll see.

 

[blbronco]

Trump is 4th on my list (i still have kasich ahead of him), and really hope his campaign fizzles out while weaning in one of my preferred candidates. Thats said, the analogy there is pretty spot on.

 

[ctdub]

IMO they're all phonies. My views don't match up with any candidate on either side. No room in politics for a non religious economic conservative.

 

[blbronco]

I fall in the same category (non-religious fiscally conservative), and at least a few of the candidates do not bother me. Fiorina, actually, has navigated that aspect quite well, IMO. Carson is a bit "too much," but i can handle him, and kasich has at least tried to show some opnness there. Real or not, i at least can appreciate the effort.

 

[Headhunter]

Most of the establishment and all of the left don't get the appeal of Donald Trump. He turned me off with his Fiorina remarks but I'd still vote for him if he gets the nomination.

He's doing much better with minorities and LEGAL immigrants than people like Up would ever admit.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...people-of-color-of-various-races-ethnicities/

 

[ctdub]

Love where Trump is on this diagram

 

[ctdub]

Trump is 4th on my list (i still have kasich ahead of him), and really hope his campaign fizzles out while weaning in one of my preferred candidates. Thats said, the analogy there is pretty spot on.

Carson's faith doesn't really bother me, he seems pretty humble about it and not too preachy. I trust someone who believes in god more than I do someone who believes in global warming.

 

[TPOKE]

I don't know how Fiorina can be in the Establishment having never been in politics.

 

[MegaPoke]

I don't know how Fiorina can be in the Establishment having never been in politics.

Agree. That's how I would draw this IF I WAS TRUMP.

 

[07pilt]

I don't know how Fiorina can be in the Establishment having never been in politics.

Establishment in this case just means mainline pro business conservative, which describes Fiorina well.

I'd be interested in the candidates being broken down by their policy stances rather than their personalities.

 

[TPOKE]

Establishment in this case just means mainline pro business conservative, which describes Fiorina well.

I'd be interested in the candidates being broken down by their policy stances rather than their personalities.

i agree with you. Fiorina has, obviously, been in the big business world and is going to be characterized until specifics come out, like you mentioned.

However, there is one candidate airing it all out on what he's going to do and at this time is very popular. Will be interesting.

 

[blbronco]

Don't get me wrong, i appreciate his faith, i just do not want to see it take him to the same rabbit hole that happened with paul, and tends to happen with cruz. Not being religious myself, i have no issues what-so-ever with those that are. I get bent out of shape when that faith/religious reference is crammed down our throats. I love to reference fiorina's statement regarding the kentucky bitch as a prime example as to have your faith but manage the rest independently. IMO, kasich is trying too hard to show it, but fiorina comes off more sincere. Trump will say whatever grabs more headlines. Global warming....that just cracks me up watching non-scientists trying to act like they know what they are talking about.

I just don't think fiorina has enough name recognition to pull this off, i do hope she is a VP candidate or taken on in some capacity to build that up if she does fall short. (Sorry to throw in that tangent )

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Trump was right. Christ she's fugly.
Cruz is so syrupy and rand is a condescending asshole.

Carson and Kasich sound most presidential so far, IMO.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Cruz learned to speak from a televangelist.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Fear! Alarm! Wtf are you doing, just sitting there? JESUS CHRIST GET YOUR GUN THEYRE ALL COMING FOR US!!

 

[blbronco]

so, Carly isn't hot, so she isn't presidential material? And Hillary is?? I get tired of GOPers here bashing Hillary's looks all the time, as there is much about her past and current actions to go after, but looks is a cheap shot. Hell, "the donald" isn't much more than a bridge troll with a wicked comb-over/comb-around. I never really understood that line of political attack.

 

[long-duc-dong]

Personally I think Rubio has done the best followed by Fiorina. Can't listen to Trump or Cruz, just flat annoying. Carson is a little to deliberate for me.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

so, Carly isn't hot, so she isn't presidential material? And Hillary is?? I get tired of GOPers here bashing Hillary's looks all the time, as there is much about her past and current actions to go after, but looks is a cheap shot. .

That's so bush league -- you're against "cheap shots" after about 10,000 posts ripping HRC and one that finally rips Carly.

 

[07pilt]

Cruz learned to speak from a televangelist.

I think I read his dad is an evangelical preacher.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I think I read his dad is an evangelical preacher.

That would totally explain it. I can't believe how ineffective he is -- he's smart as hell but totally marginalizes himself.

Ol' Huckaby totally reflects the baptist preacher. His bit about wanting to have peace and heal (pump money into medical research is such a great political stance - who's against that?) is just straight rural baptist red meat -- he sounds like an old type baptist preacher, and those words are intuitively comforting, familiar and biblical sounding to lots of older people in the rural south. I think lots of those guys are nuts, but their messaging and its connection to religious rhetoric is fascinating to me.

 

[MegaPoke]

Huckster is just selling books. Glad his speaking time was limited. I paused the debate enough times that I was able to fast forward any time he was was trying to waste my time. He isn't and never has been serious about running. But he knows it drives book sales. Just a self-promoter like Trump, but less genuine.

Cruz is just so dull. My wife said he seemed like he was trying to sell us used cars. He did not move the needle up or down.

To me, Fiorina was the clear winner, followed by Rubio. I thought Jeb helped himself but not by enough. It was mainly comical to see him and Trump exchange piss streams. I thought Rand did OK but was relegated to topics that won't resonate with the average GOP voter and didn't move himself up enough to matter. Fiorina showed passion on the PP issue, which will resonate with the base, but also quietly got in a few states rights plugs. Although she was incredibly articulate and agile on her feet with tremendously memorable points, she did come off as cold (not shrill - that's stupid). She needs to do some interviews to show a bit more of a warm side. There are a lot of angles that can do that with her being a cancer survivor and having lost a child to drugs.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Jeb is done. I agree mostly on Cruz, but Cruz made Bush look like a little school boy on the judge issue.

 

[long-duc-dong]

To me, Fiorina was the clear winner, followed by Rubio. .

Agree. Rubio really sounded Presidential last night. Now, if he can just do something about his sweating problem, and dry mouth, he might have a chance.

 

[07pilt]

Huckster is just selling books. Glad his speaking time was limited. I paused the debate enough times that I was able to fast forward any time he was was trying to waste my time. He isn't and never has been serious about running. But he knows it drives book sales. Just a self-promoter like Trump, but less genuine.

I was surprised how good he was on the nonreligious issues in the first debate. I think he knows that his only chance amongst this crowded field is to play to the christian conservatives in Iowa and build momentum off of that. I can see him winning Iowa and SC then tacking away from the religious issues.

The last two winners of the Iowa caucus were Huckabee and Santorum.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Fiorina and Rubio were the clear winners, along with to a lesser degree, Rand Paul. Trump probably did himslef little harm, but Fiorina stung him pretty good.

 

[blbronco]

Um....i am on record for knocking GOPers for trashing hillary's appearance as well. Cool your jets

 

[Medic007]

Um....i am on record for knocking GOPers for trashing hillary's appearance as well. Cool your jets

But it's very difficult not to trash somebody that looks like bags full of chewed bubblegum stuffed into terrible pant suits, has the personality of a rotten potato, and has a face that even Slick Willy can't put his penis near.

Sorry. Couldn't help it.