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Well done. A lot of what was expected:

Cersie is still a double crossing bitch. Her and Jamie are drifting farther apart as he has to choose.

Jon & Aunty hooked up just as we were confirming the worst kept secret in history.

Ice Dragon is bad ass. Wall what wall.

Littlefinger finally got his. Bran's vision tripped the balance. Most satisfying moment of the night.

Sam is back with the A-Team

Theon is making one final bid to redeem himself.

King of disappointed we didn't get the long awaited Clegane bowl.
 
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So what did Tyrion actually agree to with Cerci? He sure looked worried when Jon was spearing Danny.

Maybe he decided to back his family?
 
So what did Tyrion actually agree to with Cerci? He sure looked worried when Jon was spearing Danny.

Maybe he decided to back his family?
I Think he betrays Dany. I think he is in love with her and he gets butt hurt over Jon banging the dragon queen.
 
So what did Tyrion actually agree to with Cerci? He sure looked worried when Jon was spearing Danny.

Maybe he decided to back his family?

She told him she agreed to send her troops north to fight which as we found out was a lie. Tyrion gets outsmarted again.

His concern about Jon and Dani is probably that the hot lust is going to interfere with either one thinking rationally at a time when they can't afford to make emotional decisions. Also he might of been a tad bit jealous.
 
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Was happy to see Cersie be Cersie. It fits the character, plus actually makes sense. I thought the writing was great this episode. Bran does something! How is Danny going to take not being the true successor?
 
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I still just laugh at how most fans are good with aunt nephew incest but brother sister incest is bad.
 
Great episode! Eddard Targaryen was his name, right?

I just hope they can the last season out next year and not the next.
 
Why? To side with whom? They both know Cersei is the devil. Euron is psycho. The only other side is the undead.

When Danny finds out her dragon died for nothing due to Cersie playing Tyrion, it may be the last straw for her. He may get a Jorah style banning.
 
When Danny finds out her dragon died for nothing due to Cersie playing Tyrion, it may be the last straw for her. He may get a Jorah style banning.

He truly believes she is the best hope. Dani may boot him into the street but I can't see him betraying her. There are no other good options unless she opposes Jon (Aegon) once she realizes he is the true heir, not her.
 
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He truly believes she is the best hope. Dani may boot him into the street but I can't see him betraying her. There are no other good options unless she opposes Jon (Aegon) once she realizes he is the true heir, not her.

I can't see it either unless she kills Jamie or something. Or as you say, she breaks apart from Jon, and Tyrion goes team North. She does have her flaws and Tyrion has noticed them.
 
I can't see it either unless she kills Jamie or something. Or as you say, she breaks apart from Jon, and Tyrion goes team North. She does have her flaws and Tyrion has noticed them.
.... but there are only 7 episodes left, thats a pretty big arcing story line to fit in.
 
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Only 6 episodes next season, which might not come out til 2019.


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I think Jon will die for Dany while riding their dragons, with her knowing he is the rightful heir
 
My thoughts.

1). Fantastic episode. Short on action, but great dialogue. Excellent acting. HBO writers redeemed themselves for crappy writing in prior episodes.

2). The twist with Sansa/Arya/Littlefinger caught me by surprise and was well done. It helps to explain most of what seemed to be bullshit dialogue between the 3 of them over recent episodes. Good to see him called out on all his BS and killed off. I wonder if his face will be used by Arya in a future episode?

3). Kind of weird that HBO named Jon "Aegon Targaryean". That is Griff's real name in the books (or the name of the person he is impersonating). Aegon will not be Jon's real name in the books. I know for sure that HBO has told viewers that Rhaegar's 2 children, whose mother was the sister of Oberon and Doran Martelle, were brutally killed by The Mountain, but I can't remember if they revealed that the boy was named Aegon. If so, it would be weird for Lyanna to name the baby Aegon when Rhaegar already had a baby, by another woman, with that name. I always assumed that, in the books, his name was actually Jon and the secret Ned was protecting was that he is a Targ.

4). Speaking of the Mountain, he is not much of a body guard. That Wight would have eaten Cersei if not for the Hound having it on a chain. What was the Mountain doing? Taking a nap? As an aside, interesting that Cersei doesn't believe in animated dead people. Isn't that pretty much what The Mountain is?

5). Did Tormund and Dondarion survive? I think they got to the part of the wall that did not collapse, but it wasn't clear. If they are still alive, are they trapped behind enemy lines? Will be interesting to see where they go. I would think they have 2 choices. Either track down horses and beat the Army of the Dead to Winterfell, or head for Castle Black and mobilize the Black Brothers who are there. I think we can assume that Bran saw the wall fall and Winterfell will know what is heading their way.

6). @Inky29 . There is a difference between incest where 2 siblings have known they were siblings since they were old enough to comprehend the concept, and incest between 2 individuals who have no idea they are related. I think it is safe to assume that when they find out, both Jon and Dany will decide that they can no longer continue their romantic relationship.

7). As to all of the discussion about Tyrion/Jaime...just remember that there are only 6 episodes left. That doesn't leave a lot of time to have something intricate and convoluted happen. I think it is pretty safe to assume that things will be as they seem to be with Jaime and Tyrion. Jaime has turned on Cersei and is headed to the A-team to let them know she is not on their side, and to help them as much as he can. Tyrion is committed to Dany, but will likely end up supporting Jon as king. Why he was lurking outside the love nest, I am not sure. Probably (as mentioned above) due to either jealousy, or concern that both of them won't be thinking clearly due to the emotion of their newfound relationship. HBO probably put him there so that someone, besides the two of them, would know that they hooked up, and that their baby will be the heir to the throne when both of them are gone.
 
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The thing about 6 episodes is they will all be about as long as last night. So we still probably have a full length season of screen time.

I thought last night was a pretty good bounce back.

I wonder what the Night King's plan with the Wall was if he didn't get an ice dragon.
 
I wonder what the Night King's plan with the Wall was if he didn't get an ice dragon.
The book nerd in me is really bothered by the random destruction of the Wall, overcoming eons of magic imparted to it. So it's a dragon, I'm not sure what makes it capable of destroying the Wall.

This kind of stuff is a far bigger GOT offense than all the stupid hand-wringing over logistics and what gets discussed about the show each week.

And Been, Cersei "believed" in the animated dead person, she just didn't GAF. Was happy to let them kill her human enemies while she got her armies in order.
 
I am thinking that army of 20k the Second Sons will provide is what will help stop the Night King. I knew Arya and Sansa had to be playing LittleFinger other wise that was just stupid. Loved that part where they just casually call out LittleFinger and he is screwed. Been waiting 6 seasons for vengeance for Ned.

Anyone else feel cheated that the dragon still breathed fire and not ice? So it blows a blue flame now? I wonder if GRRM shared his vision of the wall falling with the HBO guys. I did feel a bit cheated because in the books there is magic thus why Coldhands or Benji Stark couldn't cross through the gate with Bran. I guess dragon fire just nullifies magic. Seemed like a cheap way out.
 
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The book nerd in me is really bothered by the random destruction of the Wall, overcoming eons of magic imparted to it. So it's a dragon, I'm not sure what makes it capable of destroying the Wall.

This kind of stuff is a far bigger GOT offense than all the stupid hand-wringing over logistics and what gets discussed about the show each week.

And Been, Cersei "believed" in the animated dead person, she just didn't GAF. Was happy to let them kill her human enemies while she got her armies in order.

I think you have to separate the book from the show on a lot of these points. The show has really not gone into detail on the magical component of The Wall. They represent it as a giant wall of ice that is too slippery and unstable (at least the outer layers) to climb over, and too thick to go through. It is a physical barrier.

In the books, there is a lot of discussion about it being both a physical and magical barrier, and about dead things being unable to cross unless something changes. I suspect that GRRM's wall won't be breached without something happening to break the magical protection.

Remember when the show made a big deal about the Night King touching Bran in his vision? I think we all expected that to be significant as to him being able to get past the wall. Maybe it will be significant in some other way, but it didn't end up playing a part in getting past the wall.

I'm not sure what that dragon was breathing out of its mouth, because it wasn't setting wooden structures on fire, but it was destroying the ice.
 
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I think you have to separate the book from the show on a lot of these points. The show has really not gone into detail on the magical component of The Wall. They represent it as a giant wall of ice that is too slippery and unstable (at least the outer layers) to climb over, and too thick to go through. It is a physical barrier.

In the books, there is a lot of discussion about it being both a physical and magical barrier, and about dead things being unable to cross unless something changes. I suspect that GRRM's wall won't be breached without something happening to break the magical protection.

Remember when the show made a big deal about the Night King touching Bran in his vision? I think we all expected that to be significant as to him being able to get past the wall. Maybe it will be significant in some other way, but it didn't end up playing a part in getting past the wall.

I'm not sure what that dragon was breathing out of its mouth, because it wasn't setting wooden structures on fire, but it was destroying the ice.
When Benjen brings Bran back to the Wall in the show, he informs Bran about the magic and how he can't go back south with him because he's some jacked-up magical dude now. And that's just the one scene off the top of my nerd head. I'll bet there are other scenes where the Children allude to it also. But we never really were told why the wights were able to get into the northern lair of the the TER and kill everyone, so we probably won't learn how they got past the Wall either.
 
When Benjen brings Bran back to the Wall in the show, he informs Bran about the magic and how he can't go back south with him because he's some jacked-up magical dude now. And that's just the one scene off the top of my nerd head. I'll bet there are other scenes where the Children allude to it also. But we never really were told why the wights were able to get into the northern lair of the the TER and kill everyone, so we probably won't learn how they got past the Wall either.
Thank you this was in the show also.
 
I'm fine with the dragon bringing down the wall. Would have been a bit cooler if it took him a while to do so, but still. We don't know what sort of magic was put into it. I'm guessing Bran the builder and whoever helped him didn't think of an ice dragon. Now if the books go that route I expect a better explanation. With the show I'm fine with magic undead dragon > magic in a wall.
 
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Prediction: Cersei attempts to make a deal with the Night King. I think she would want to be queen, dead or alive.
 
Prediction: Cersei attempts to make a deal with the Night King. I think she would want to be queen, dead or alive.
I have said all along the end is that the Night King and Cersi marry and rule the dead.
 
Prediction: Cersei attempts to make a deal with the Night King. I think she would want to be queen, dead or alive.
So kinda like the 13th Lord commander of the Night's Watch in the books known as the Night's King. Who had a wife that was described as "a woman "with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars". Many believe she is a Other/White Walker.
 
When Danny finds out her dragon died for nothing due to Cersie playing Tyrion, it may be the last straw for her. He may get a Jorah style banning.
If Cersie "played" Tyrion, then let's not forget she also "played" Daenerys and John as well. How could Daenerys fault Tyrion, when she believe Cersie's lies as well?

Also, don't forget - when they went with the plan to get the white walkers, they (including Daenerys) knew that the entire thing was a risk and that Cersei could still very well reject any alliance or calling a truce.
 
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When Danny finds out her dragon died for nothing due to Cersie playing Tyrion, it may be the last straw for her. He may get a Jorah style banning.
If Cersie "played" Tyrion, then let's not forget she also "played" Daenerys and John as well. How could Daenerys fault Tyrion, when she believe Cersie's lies as well?

Also, don't forget - when they went with the plan to get the white walkers, they (including Daenerys) knew that the entire thing was a risk and that Cersei could still very well reject any alliance or calling a truce.

Yeah but Danny isn't always rational.
 
Thank you this was in the show also.

I think that will be explained by Bran in season 8. I'm guessing one of two things, the mark that was put on Bran broke the magic, or the Children of the Forest are all dead and their magic died with it. Either way I think Bran will explain why next season.
 
The book nerd in me is really bothered by the random destruction of the Wall, overcoming eons of magic imparted to it. So it's a dragon, I'm not sure what makes it capable of destroying the Wall.

This kind of stuff is a far bigger GOT offense than all the stupid hand-wringing over logistics and what gets discussed about the show each week.

And Been, Cersei "believed" in the animated dead person, she just didn't GAF. Was happy to let them kill her human enemies while she got her armies in order.

The whole series is "Ice and Fire" so it seems to me that is exactly what to expect from GRRM. Regular fire would have taken days to melt the wall magic or not but the blue fire of the white walker dragon brought it down in minutes. That's magic topping magic. Also very cool looking for TV so they may have simplified the story for better visuals effects. As noted they have basically drop the magic details for HBO. Either way it turns the whole capture a weight trip into a complete disaster.
 
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I tend to think it's the other way around. Dany dies by Jon's hand turning Longclaw into Lightbringer.

Doubtful. I don't remember Azor Ahai even being mentioned in the show. Even if he has, it certainly hasn't been emphasized enough for the audience to have any idea what you are talking about.
 
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Doubtful. I don't remember Azor Ahai even being mentioned in the show. Even if he has, it certainly hasn't been emphasized enough for the audience to have any idea what you are talking about.
Been are we watching the same show? Maybe it is because I am just a huge nerd about this show and rewatch every episode at least 3 times but that Red Lady has spouted off about Azor Ahai from the beginning. She even said after Stannis died that she thinks it might be Jon Snow.
 
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