Tillerson quote......

[CowboyJD]

“Guiding all our foreign policy actions are our fundamental values — our values around freedom, human dignity, the way people are treated,” he said. “Those are our values. Those are not our policies...If we condition too heavily that others must adopt this value that we’ve come to after a long history of our own, it really creates obstacles to our ability to advance our national security interests, our economic interests.”

I pretty much agree....

What say the rest of ye?

 

[07pilt]

“Guiding all our foreign policy actions are our fundamental values — our values around freedom, human dignity, the way people are treated,” he said. “Those are our values. Those are not our policies...If we condition too heavily that others must adopt this value that we’ve come to after a long history of our own, it really creates obstacles to our ability to advance our national security interests, our economic interests.”

I pretty much agree....

What say the rest of ye?

I don't know if you have heard, but there is a bad regime that we give money to while the water is undrinkable in Flint MI.

 

[Rdcldad]

it's great political speech
sounds like something hillary would say

just saying...

but hey if it translates to actions then yes fantastic

 

[CowboyJD]

I don't know if you have heard, but there is a bad regime that we give money to while the water is undrinkable in Flint MI.

I hear it's the only one in the world that still has some form of eugenics program/policy.

I'm already on record with dealing freely with dictators....as long as they're our dictator.

I'm a bad person though.

 

[MegaPoke]

“Guiding all our foreign policy actions are our fundamental values — our values around freedom, human dignity, the way people are treated,” he said. “Those are our values. Those are not our policies...If we condition too heavily that others must adopt this value that we’ve come to after a long history of our own, it really creates obstacles to our ability to advance our national security interests, our economic interests.”

I pretty much agree....

What say the rest of ye?

I agree with the statement. We shall see if it matches up with future actions. Syria in particular.

 

[Headhunter]

I agree with what he's saying. I have come to be a Rand Paul type isolationist.

We should not have any troops or attack anywhere that is not a direct threat. We cannot let Iran get nukes or North Korea to get long range missiles. Outside of that I'm for letting the locals handle their own problems.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

I agree with what he's saying. I have come to be a Rand Paul type isolationist.

We should not have any troops or attack anywhere that is not a direct threat. We cannot let Iran get nukes or North Korea to get long range missiles. Outside of that I'm for letting the locals handle their own problems.

Slow clap.

 

[CowboyJD]

I agree with what he's saying. I have come to be a Rand Paul type isolationist.

We should not have any troops or attack anywhere that is not a direct threat. We cannot let Iran get nukes or North Korea to get long range missiles. Outside of that I'm for letting the locals handle their own problems.

Wait a second...you're agree with something I said I agree with before you.

What happened to this BS claim about my view....

They [NYT and WaPo] represent your point of view so you'll never admit their biases.

?

 

[HighStickHarry]

Just don't look jd directly in the eye ever. He even invited nz into this thread personally!! #briarpatch.

 

[Rdcldad]

see obama talking values in french election post

marsha marsha marsha
values values values

 

[Headhunter]

Wait a second...you're agree with something I said I agree with before you.

What happened to this BS claim about my view....

?

Different subjects, media bias using misleading headlines and world diplomacy are two different things.

 

[JonnyVito]

If you are not conquering new lands then your country is dying. We should invade NK then set up a new country for all liberals. We trade out them for what has to be the most loyal citizens in the world.

 

[CowboyJD]

Different subjects, media bias using misleading headlines and world diplomacy are two different things.

Lol.

You said the NYT and WaPo represent my "viewpoint"....you were calling me a liberal.

Just own up to be being a dumbass when you said I would never admit their bias because of it....after I had repeatedly called out their bias.

What a rube.

 

[Headhunter]

Different subjects, media bias using misleading headlines and world diplomacy are two different things.

Lol.

You said the NYT and WaPo represent my "viewpoint"....you were calling me a liberal.

Just own up to be being a dumbass when you said I would never admit their bias because of it....after I had repeatedly called out their bias.

What a rube.

You're not a liberal? What a lying name calling POS. You constantly defend the liberal biased bullcrap. What an arrogant ass.

You think you are the smartest person in the room and they are always the most ignorant.

 

[CowboyJD]

You're not a liberal? What a lying name calling POS. You constantly defend the liberal biased bullcrap. What an arrogant ass.

You think you are the smartest person in the room and they are always the most ignorant.

What a full of shit rube you are.

No, I'm not a liberal, you freaking moron.

Only someone with their nose as deeply up Trump's butthole as you have yours would claim that.

This might be the herp derpiest of your many herp derp posts. Do you need a safe space from my micro-aggressions little snow flake?

 

[CowboyJD]

You're not a liberal? What a lying name calling POS. You constantly defend the liberal biased bullcrap. What an arrogant ass.

You think you are the smartest person in the room and they are always the most ignorant.

Really....really.....totally....fake news.

 

[Colorado_Poke]

You're not a liberal? What a lying name calling POS. You constantly defend the liberal biased bullcrap.

Granted I haven't been on the 24/7 board as much the last few months, but this statement is incorrect. I haven't noticed JD defending liberal viewpoints at all. What I have seen is JD trying to break up the Trump circle jerk, led especially by NZ Poke.

 

[JimmyBob]

I love pissing contests; what was the subject again?

 

[Headhunter]

I've always just debated you on this forum I never used any pajoratives towards you until you did it to me.

I must of hit a nerve. You really think being called Rube by the likes if you bothers me? Proud to be one.

 

[CowboyJD]

I've always just debated you on this forum I never used any pajoratives towards you until you did it to me.

I must of hit a nerve. You really think being called Rube by the likes if you bothers me? Proud to be one.

Bullshit. I'm not gonna bother going back and quoting the pEjoratives you have used towards me in the past. They are there. Besides, I imagine for a Trumpie cheerleader like yourself....falsely calling someone liberal is definitely pejorative you can imagine.

Calling me a liberal that can never admit the bias of the MSM was astonishingly, wildly, incredibly stupid....especially right after agreeing with me on a decidedly, completely non-liberal, pro-Trump position that I posted.

 

[CowboyJD]

I love pissing contests; what was the subject again?

I'm a liberal that can't admit the NYY and WaPo are biased.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Well this turned out better than I expected.

 

[CowboyJD]

Well this turned out better than I expected.

Pretty much turned out exactly as I planned.

Just don't look jd directly in the eye ever. He even invited nz into this thread personally!! #briarpatch.

Briar patch indeed.

Jimmies have been rustled....that's for sure.

 

[GL97]

“Guiding all our foreign policy actions are our fundamental values — our values around freedom, human dignity, the way people are treated,” he said. “Those are our values. Those are not our policies...If we condition too heavily that others must adopt this value that we’ve come to after a long history of our own, it really creates obstacles to our ability to advance our national security interests, our economic interests.”

I pretty much agree....

What say the rest of ye?

To get the thread back on topic...

I think the key words in this quote are "if we condition too heavily." I'd like to know what he means by those words.

We of course have to seek at times to have others within the international community adopt certain values. And sometimes we have to act in a manner that would be described as "heavily." But not always.

I also find it interesting that not more posters on this board have objected to this quote, considering some of the arguments regarding how we should deal with Iran that have been advanced on this board.

 

[Headhunter]

Bullshit. I'm not gonna bother going back and quoting the pEjoratives you have used towards me in the past. They are there. Besides, I imagine for a Trumpie cheerleader like yourself....falsely calling someone liberal is definitely pejorative you can imagine.

Calling me a liberal that can never admit the bias of the MSM was astonishingly, wildly, incredibly stupid....especially right after agreeing with me on a decidedly, completely non-liberal, pro-Trump position that I posted.

Please post my personal pejoratives, outside of calling you a liberal or being wrong, there are none.

more fake news.

 

[CowboyJD]

Please post my personal pejoratives, outside of calling you a liberal or being wrong, there are none.

more fake news.

I already told you I'm not gonna bother.

But if you are claim you have never referred to me personally in perjorative terms you will be lying...or don't understand the meaning of the word perjorative.

To get the thread back on topic...

I think the key words in this quote are "if we condition too heavily." I'd like to know what he means by those words.

We of course have to seek at times to have others within the international community adopt certain values. And sometimes we have to act in a manner that would be described as "heavily." But not always.

I also find it interesting that not more posters on this board have objected to this quote, considering some of the arguments regarding how we should deal with Iran that have been advanced on this board.

In general, I understood this quote as recognition and admission that the Trump administration is willing, at times, to work with and possibly even cooperate with "not nice", non-Democratic, non-western civilized world values having, dictators and such....if it advances a greater American interest.

 

[GL97]

In general, I understood this quote as recognition and admission that the Trump administration is willing, at times, to work with and possibly even cooperate with "not nice", non-Democratic, non-western civilized world values having, dictators and such....if it advances a greater American interest.

Our government has been doing this for decades though. Such a policy would be nothing new.

To me, it is a rather ambiguous quote because it doesn't really say that much and the phrase "if we condition too heavily" leaves a lot of wiggle room. It also directly contradicts arguments I have seen some make on this board, which is why I am surprised no one really disagreed with it. Of course, the ambiguous nature of the quote may be the reason for that.

 

[ctrawick]

Please post my personal pejoratives, outside of calling you a liberal or being wrong, there are none.

more fake news.

I learn more new words on this site....

 

[JimmyBob]

I learn more new words on this site....

And they'll be useful in your daily conversations with folks that will say WTF and why should I give a shit about your newest buzz word.