There Are Two Sides To Every Political Story

[Ponca Dan]

When it comes to Israel vs Palestinians the western media has showered us with endless examples of the Israeli side, almost all of them justified. How many of you have ever heard the Palestinian side, the actual undisturbed undiluted Palestinian side, presented complete before being shouted down mid-story? They have justification of their own. Here you go, the Palestinian historical side of the story.

The roots of Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza

Israel has always chosen occupation and supremacy over peace and security.

www.aaronmate.net

Which side is closer to the moral truth? You can’t know if you only hear one side. It’s possible both sides possess half the truth. Maybe, just maybe it would be best if they quit killing each other and sat down and listened to each other and sought a resolution that brings peace. Someone needs to go first. I suggest it should be the one with a $24 billion military budget and upwards of 600,000 trained soldiers rather than the one with 10-20,000 partially trained fighters and a $100 million dollar military budget, most of which has been spent on digging tunnels and bomb shelters to withstand relentless attack. Who among you will read this link with an open mind that there is a Palestinian perspective, too?

 

[2012Bearcat]

When it comes to Israel vs Palestinians the western media has showered us with endless examples of the Israeli side, almost all of them justified. How many of you have ever heard the Palestinian side, the actual undisturbed undiluted Palestinian side, presented complete before being shouted down mid-story? They have justification of their own. Here you go, the Palestinian historical side of the story.

The roots of Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza

Israel has always chosen occupation and supremacy over peace and security.

www.aaronmate.net

Which side is closer to the moral truth? You can’t know if you only hear one side. It’s possible both sides possess half the truth. Maybe, just maybe it would be best if they quit killing each other and sat down and listened to each other and sought a resolution that brings peace. Someone needs to go first. I suggest it should be the one with a $24 billion military budget and upwards of 600,000 trained soldiers rather than the one with 10-20,000 partially trained fighters and a $100 million dollar military budget, most of which has been spent on digging tunnels and bomb shelters to withstand relentless attack. Who among you will read this link with an open mind that there is a Palestinian perspective, too?

Easy answer here Dan. If the Palestinians and other Arab nations would lay down their arms against Israel there would be peace, if Israel laid down their arms there would be genocide.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Easy answer here Dan. If the Palestinians and other Arab nations would lay down their arms against Israel there would be peace, if Israel laid down their arms there would be genocide.

You know why it is an easy answer? Beause it is a bullshit answer, an easy to memorize one-liner provided by Netanyahu who knows if it gets repeated often enough it will become "the truth." There's a Palestinian perspective, but you don't want to know what it is because it creates a moral quagmire difficult to untangle, it's just so much easier to think Israel is all good and Palestinians are all bad. Both things can be true at the same time. What Hamas does, what it represents, what it puts its own people through and what it did to Israel is grotesque in its evilness, it needs to be destroyed; the Israeli goverment should be ashamed at the way it treats the people in Gaza, it is morally reprehensible what they do.

 

[windriverrange]

When it comes to Israel vs Palestinians the western media has showered us with endless examples of the Israeli side, almost all of them justified. How many of you have ever heard the Palestinian side, the actual undisturbed undiluted Palestinian side, presented complete before being shouted down mid-story? They have justification of their own. Here you go, the Palestinian historical side of the story.

The roots of Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza

Israel has always chosen occupation and supremacy over peace and security.

www.aaronmate.net

Which side is closer to the moral truth? You can’t know if you only hear one side. It’s possible both sides possess half the truth. Maybe, just maybe it would be best if they quit killing each other and sat down and listened to each other and sought a resolution that brings peace. Someone needs to go first. I suggest it should be the one with a $24 billion military budget and upwards of 600,000 trained soldiers rather than the one with 10-20,000 partially trained fighters and a $100 million dollar military budget, most of which has been spent on digging tunnels and bomb shelters to withstand relentless attack. Who among you will read this link with an open mind that there is a Palestinian perspective, too?

The palestinians are losers, who have been kicked out of every country that tried to offer them sanctuary; Jordan, Syria, Lebanon & Tunisia. Additionally no one wants them now.

Not sure where you get relentless attacks either. The only time Israel "attacks" is in response to missiles, a terrorist attack or a high value target responsible for Israeli deaths that sticks his head above the Whack a mole hole.

Don't forget the muslims that served in the Wehrmacht & SS to kill Jews don't recall Jews serving in the army to kill palestinians.

Won't be long before the worthless UN issues a condemnation of Israel either. As I said the palestinians are losers, they follow losers, they cower to losers & they are sheep being led to the slaughter. Absolutely nothing anyone with dignity & honor could follow, condone or support.

 

[Ponca Dan]

The palestinians are losers, who have been kicked out of every country that tried to offer them sanctuary; Jordan, Syria, Lebanon & Tunisia. Additionally no one wants them now.

Not sure where you get relentless attacks either. The only time Israel "attacks" is in response to missiles, a terrorist attack or a high value target responsible for Israeli deaths that sticks his head above the Whack a mole hole.

Don't forget the muslims that served in the Wehrmacht & SS to kill Jews don't recall Jews serving in the army to kill palestinians.

Won't be long before the worthless UN issues a condemnation of Israel either. As I said the palestinians are losers, they follow losers, they cower to losers & they are sheep being led to the slaughter. Absolutely nothing anyone with dignity & honor could follow, condone or support.

I respect your opinion always, but this seems to be written by a man that has heard the Israeli side only and therefore advocates for what he has heard.

 

[windriverrange]

I respect your opinion always, but this seems to be written by a man that has heard the Israeli side only and therefore advocates for what he has heard.

Nope not correct, but no worries we part respecting each others opinions just not the end belief. I'm well read on this area & what goes on. There is no doubt that everything would change for the good without Iran on the block. I have no doubt that most palestinians want to live in peace & give their children better opportunities then they have had. That's probably all gone now, not at the hand of Israel either.

I find reading about Israel easy & not filled with propaganda because nearly everything you read is supported by similar accounts in other publications & references. Not so much regarding nearly anything I read from the arab point of view to Israel. Look in the Knesset for example, there are palestinians, arabs, women & probably alt-lifestyle folks. Where is there an equal body in the whole of the ME?

Few examples

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How can peace ever be had when the above are prevalent in all of the arab/muslim/palestinian societies?

I'm going to continue to fall on the side of a people who suffered ~6 million dead at the hands of the nazi's & countless unprovoked wars by the arabs. You can't kill ifnats by burning them alive, slitting throats, shooting them & then claim victimhood, just won't work for this guy.

 

[2012Bearcat]

You know why it is an easy answer? Beause it is a bullshit answer, an easy to memorize one-liner provided by Netanyahu who knows if it gets repeated often enough it will become "the truth." There's a Palestinian perspective, but you don't want to know what it is because it creates a moral quagmire difficult to untangle, it's just so much easier to think Israel is all good and Palestinians are all bad. Both things can be true at the same time. What Hamas does, what it represents, what it puts its own people through and what it did to Israel is grotesque in its evilness, it needs to be destroyed; the Israeli goverment should be ashamed at the way it treats the people in Gaza, it is morally reprehensible what they do.

How are you supposed to treat a group of people where a large percentage of that group want you dead? We all saw the Palestinians celebrating the attack on Israel, we saw these some people celebrate the 9/11 attack. How are people that were attacked supposed to treat people that celebrate those attacks?
While you may not like the one liner by Netanyahu you know it's true.

 

[Ponca Dan]

How are you supposed to treat a group of people where a large percentage of that group want you dead? We all saw the Palestinians celebrating the attack on Israel, we saw these some people celebrate the 9/11 attack. How are people that were attacked supposed to treat people that celebrate those attacks?
While you may not like the one liner by Netanyahu you know it's true.

I think the long-run soluton is for Israel to quit treating the Gazans like they are chattel to be "handled" as they see fit. It's amazing how when someone is told he's nothing more than an animal, treated like he's an animal, imprisoned in an apartheid state like an animal in a zoo he miraculously acts like an animal. Look at it like a very banal sports analogy. OU fans hate Lincoln Riley because he did them dirty. And now that he's losing games and dropping in the rankings they dance in the street with glee at his comeuppance. The one-liner by Netanyahu is bs. Israel has acted like a colonizing state almost from its inception. If it had all the guns and the Arab states had none Israel would move inexorably to take over.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Israel has acted like a colonizing state almost from its inception. If it had all the guns and the Arab states had none Israel would move inexorably to take over.

Total fantasy bull shit.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Nope not correct, but no worries we part respecting each others opinions just not the end belief. I'm well read on this area & what goes on. There is no doubt that everything would change for the good without Iran on the block. I have no doubt that most palestinians want to live in peace & give their children better opportunities then they have had. That's probably all gone now, not at the hand of Israel either.

I find reading about Israel easy & not filled with propaganda because nearly everything you read is supported by similar accounts in other publications & references. Not so much regarding nearly anything I read from the arab point of view to Israel. Look in the Knesset for example, there are palestinians, arabs, women & probably alt-lifestyle folks. Where is there an equal body in the whole of the ME?

Few examples

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How can peace ever be had when the above are prevalent in all of the arab/muslim/palestinian societies?

I'm going to continue to fall on the side of a people who suffered ~6 million dead at the hands of the nazi's & countless unprovoked wars by the arabs. You can't kill ifnats by burning them alive, slitting throats, shooting them & then claim victimhood, just won't work for this guy.

The people who actually "kill infants by burning them alive. slitting throats, shooting them" cannot under any circumstance claim victimhood. Those that were living their lives and had no idea it was happening until it happened, but are then bombed to smithereens as an act of revenge absolutely can claim victimhood. I know you are not one of them, but there seem to be some on this board that think I am justifying what Hamas did, when I have repeatedly said Hamas should be destroyed. I just don't think the correct way to destroy Hamas is to kill every living thing in its vicinity while conducting the endeavor.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Total fantasy bull shit.

Israel would have you think that. It began moving settlers in and chasing Palestinians out virtually from the beginning.

 

[windriverrange]

I think the long-run soluton is for Israel to quit treating the Gazans like they are chattel to be "handled" as they see fit. It's amazing how when someone is told he's nothing more than an animal, treated like he's an animal, imprisoned in an apartheid state like an animal in a zoo he miraculously acts like an animal. Look at it like a very banal sports analogy. OU fans hate Lincoln Riley because he did them dirty. And now that he's losing games and dropping in the rankings they dance in the street with glee at his comeuppance. The one-liner by Netanyahu is bs. Israel has acted like a colonizing state almost from its inception. If it had all the guns and the Arab states had none Israel would move inexorably to take over.

Dan, 10,000's of palestinians crossed the border each day to work in Israel. Israel gave Gaza to the palestinians 20 years ago to run as they see fit. How many millions (probably billions) have been given to them to lift their citizens out of poverty only to see the money spent on arms, tunnels & funds for martyrs? No one else wants them, no one! What do you propose Israel do now?

Come on man......

 

[2012Bearcat]

I think the long-run soluton is for Israel to quit treating the Gazans like they are chattel to be "handled" as they see fit. It's amazing how when someone is told he's nothing more than an animal, treated like he's an animal, imprisoned in an apartheid state like an animal in a zoo he miraculously acts like an animal. Look at it like a very banal sports analogy. OU fans hate Lincoln Riley because he did them dirty. And now that he's losing games and dropping in the rankings they dance in the street with glee at his comeuppance. The one-liner by Netanyahu is bs. Israel has acted like a colonizing state almost from its inception. If it had all the guns and the Arab states had none Israel would move inexorably to take over.

When you act like an animal why would you expect to be treated any differently? Attacking innocent civilians and brutally murdering them without provocation is definitely animal like behavior.
What you don't seem to understand there is a reason the Palestinians have been run out of every Arab country over there and are not welcome to this day. Why is that? Seems to me the Arabs, who have more experience with the Palestinians than any of us and are in a better position to accept them into their countries, might have a very good reason from keeping them out of their countries.
Football games and the deaths of thousands are two very different things.

 

[aliabedi]

You know why it is an easy answer? Beause it is a bullshit answer, an easy to memorize one-liner provided by Netanyahu who knows if it gets repeated often enough it will become "the truth." There's a Palestinian perspective, but you don't want to know what it is because it creates a moral quagmire difficult to untangle, it's just so much easier to think Israel is all good and Palestinians are all bad. Both things can be true at the same time. What Hamas does, what it represents, what it puts its own people through and what it did to Israel is grotesque in its evilness, it needs to be destroyed; the Israeli goverment should be ashamed at the way it treats the people in Gaza, it is morally reprehensible what they do.

Dan I have visited Israel even though it was long time ago but the impression I got was that a large majority of Israel population wants to live in peace.
Same is true with the Palestinians, even though I haven't been to Gaza but have met a lot of Palestinians.
The problem to me is that the govts on both sides apparently don't want peace.
I was shocked to hear netanyahus statement that Palestinians were like animals.
I wish people should read history from Balfour declaration which was supported by Europeans and the nazis.
There is no Arab country that can actually attack Israel if you look at the mideast most of them have recognized Israel with the exception of Iran and Syria. Syria is not in a position to even take Golan heights and Iran has massive problems. Saudia was in the process of recognizing Israel before this war started.
Hamas was a creation of Israel to OPPOse
secular Plo.
It is a very complicated situation and as someone said here that they are not Palestinians but displaced Arabs, which country were they were displaced from.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Dan, 10,000's of palestinians crossed the border each day to work in Israel. Israel gave Gaza to the palestinians 20 years ago to run as they see fit. How many millions (probably billions) have been given to them to lift their citizens out of poverty only to see the money spent on arms, tunnels & funds for martyrs? No one else wants them, no one! What do you propose Israel do now?

Come on man......

Your first sentence somewhat betrays your point and bolsters mine. Tens of thousands of Palestinians cross the border every day to do the menial tasks Israelis don’t want to do, kinda like Mexicans in America. They cross the border every day and conduct their affairs without incident, probably creating relationships with occasional individual Israelis, no hate evident. And yet they’re the ones who will be on the receiving end of Israeli spite, and they’re the ones who people - even people on this board - regard as animals who deserve what they get.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Your first sentence somewhat betrays your point and bolsters mine. Tens of thousands of Palestinians cross the border every day to do the menial tasks Israelis don’t want to do, kinda like Mexicans in America. They cross the border every day and conduct their affairs without incident, probably creating relationships with occasional individual Israelis, no hate evident. And yet they’re the ones who will be on the receiving end of Israeli spite, and they’re the ones who people - even people on this board - regard as animals who deserve what they get.

Any data to back up your statement that they only do menial labor?

 

[Ponca Dan]

Any data to back up your statement that they only do menial labor?

No, no data. How about you? Do you have data showing they don’t?

 

[Ostatedchi]

No, no data. How about you? Do you have data showing they don’t?

You made the assertion. Back it up or say you just based it on your bias. I don't need to prove it for you. Holy crap you are bad at this.

 

[Ostatedchi]

https://www.inss.org.il/publication/workers-from-gaza/

Here you go. Seems pretty balanced to me. Again, probably not a lot of doctors, nurses, and engineers in the general Gaza population (but that's just my biased guess). See how that works?

Basically, Israel is throwing the Gazans a bit of a lifeline in order to help prop up their economy.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Your first sentence somewhat betrays your point and bolsters mine. Tens of thousands of Palestinians cross the border every day to do the menial tasks Israelis don’t want to do, kinda like Mexicans in America. They cross the border every day and conduct their affairs without incident, probably creating relationships with occasional individual Israelis, no hate evident. And yet they’re the ones who will be on the receiving end of Israeli spite, and they’re the ones who people - even people on this board - regard as animals who deserve what they get.

Seems to me if the Palestinians are as innocent and peace loving as you seem to think they are they would work with the Israelis to remove Hamas, instead of voting them into power and celebrating the terrorist success,

 

[Ponca Dan]

Seems to me if the Palestinians are as innocent and peace loving as you seem to think they are they would work with the Israelis to remove Hamas, instead of voting them into power and celebrating the terrorist success,

They voted Hamas into power in 2005, 18 years ago, and I don't believe there has been another election since then. I'm sure there are plenty of Palestinians who currently work with the Israeli government to do just what you're calling for. The existing President (or whatever he's called) is not Hamas. It's not so much that they are innocent as they are helpless. I don't think I have painted them as "loving," I'm sure where the Israelis are concerned they're no more loving than the Israelis are to them. You are way too hung up on the celebrating.

 

[Ponca Dan]

They voted Hamas into power in 2005, 18 years ago, and I don't believe there has been another election since then. I'm sure there are plenty of Palestinians who currently work with the Israeli government to do just what you're calling for. The existing President (or whatever he's called) is not Hamas. It's not so much that they are innocent as they are helpless. I don't think I have painted them as "loving," I'm sure where the Israelis are concerned they're no more loving than the Israelis are to them. You are way too hung up on the celebrating.

It is interesting to note that when Hamas got voted in in 2005 none other than Hillary Clinton whined that if the US had known Hamas would win the election the US would have rigged the election to see to it they got "their guy" in.

 

[Ponca Dan]

It is interesting to note that when Hamas got voted in in 2005 none other than Hillary Clinton whined that if the US had known Hamas would win the election the US would have rigged the election to see to it they got "their guy" in.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

1 there has been a relatively large Jewish community in Israel even after 70 AD.
2 the area was sparsely populated when Mark Twain visited .
3 Arabs (and the Palestinians are arabs) began immigrating into the area, renamed palestine by the Romans after 70 AD, after the Jews started to return to the land in the late 1800s. Why? The Jews were creating an economy and hence jobs for everyone.
4 The British promised to help them reclaim their homeland and then reneged. Balfour
5 The Hashemites in 1919 signed a treaty with them to split the land. This treaty was abrogated after the House of Saud overthrew the Hashemites. They ended up in Iraq and Jordan.
6. The arabs were fine with jews as long as the government was arab and Muslim
7 Once they decided to have a Jewish state then the war began.
8 Now one thing in the Arabs defense...they have read the Bible and know the Jews were promised the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. That day is coming as God made that promise and He will keep it.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

When it comes to Israel vs Palestinians the western media has showered us with endless examples of the Israeli side, almost all of them justified. How many of you have ever heard the Palestinian side, the actual undisturbed undiluted Palestinian side, presented complete before being shouted down mid-story? They have justification of their own. Here you go, the Palestinian historical side of the story.

The roots of Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza

Israel has always chosen occupation and supremacy over peace and security.

www.aaronmate.net

Which side is closer to the moral truth? You can’t know if you only hear one side. It’s possible both sides possess half the truth. Maybe, just maybe it would be best if they quit killing each other and sat down and listened to each other and sought a resolution that brings peace. Someone needs to go first. I suggest it should be the one with a $24 billion military budget and upwards of 600,000 trained soldiers rather than the one with 10-20,000 partially trained fighters and a $100 million dollar military budget, most of which has been spent on digging tunnels and bomb shelters to withstand relentless attack. Who among you will read this link with an open mind that there is a Palestinian perspective, too?

Never really heard the Nazis’ side of WW2, but I have no doubt the Allies were the good guys.

 

[cableok]

Easy answer here Dan. If the Palestinians and other Arab nations would lay down their arms against Israel there would be peace, if Israel laid down their arms there would be genocide.

There is no better answer than this.

 

[JimmyBob]

Damn, this shit needs "cliff notes".

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Damn, this shit needs "cliff notes".

You prefer nanshee or whispers? 😁

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Seems to me if the Palestinians are as innocent and peace loving as you seem to think they are they would work with the Israelis to remove Hamas, instead of voting them into power and celebrating the terrorist success,

Exactly

 

[Ostatedchi]

It's starting to come out that some of the Hamas terrorists were Gazans with work permits.

 

[2012Bearcat]

It's starting to come out that some of the Hamas terrorists were Gazans with work permits.

I have no idea what is so hard for some people to understand, the only peace the Palestinians want is the extermination of the Jewish people. For generations Palestinian children have been indoctrinated to hate the Jewish people with the goal of extermination. How do you expect to make peace with people that have those beliefs?

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

BTW, who says we HAVEN’T heard the moslem side of the story? They’ve certainly made enough statements by:

1. Murdering Olympic athletes.
2. Bombing the barracks of peace-keeping troops
3. Murdering a wheelchair bond elderly man on a cruise ship and dumping his body overboard
4. Bombing a nightclub in West Germany.
5. Shooting up civilian air terminals in Rome and Vienna.
6. High jacking a civilian airliner and murdering a SEABEE
7. Taking down a civilian airliner over Scotland.

(I’m still in the 80s, do I need to continue?)

 

[aliabedi]

BTW, who says we HAVEN’T heard the moslem side of the story? They’ve certainly made enough statements by:

1. Murdering Olympic athletes.
2. Bombing the barracks of peace-keeping troops
3. Murdering a wheelchair bond elderly man on a cruise ship and dumping his body overboard
4. Bombing a nightclub in West Germany.
5. Shooting up civilian air terminals in Rome and Vienna.
6. High jacking a civilian airliner and murdering a SEABEE
7. Taking down a civilian airliner over Scotland.

(I’m still in the 80s, do I need to continue?)

Look at European history and American also mor civilians killed more than the mongols.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Look at European history and American also mor civilians killed more than the mongols.

Islam causes trouble everywhere it goes, whether it be the Middle East, southeastern Europe, North Africa, India, Southeast Asia, and so on, and so on.

 

[aix_xpert]

The people who actually "kill infants by burning them alive. slitting throats, shooting them" cannot under any circumstance claim victimhood. Those that were living their lives and had no idea it was happening until it happened, but are then bombed to smithereens as an act of revenge absolutely can claim victimhood. I know you are not one of them, but there seem to be some on this board that think I am justifying what Hamas did, when I have repeatedly said Hamas should be destroyed. I just don't think the correct way to destroy Hamas is to kill every living thing in its vicinity while conducting the endeavor.

Unfortunately, doctors have to take live cells too when they cut out cancer from a patient. But you have to get all of the cancer, or it will come back.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Seems to me if the Palestinians are as innocent and peace loving as you seem to think they are they would work with the Israelis to remove Hamas, instead of voting them into power and celebrating the terrorist success,

Brother you just confused a whole lot of knuckleheads with this post. 👍

 

[windriverrange]

Look at European history and American also mor civilians killed more than the mongols.

Sometimes you should glide over some of these comments like an osprey flying over a mountain lake looking for a 10 pound trout instead of a 5 pounder.

Islam has by far caused more deaths & misery in world history with the exception of the mongols & the dam communists & often their deprivations were/are visited on other muslims.

I'll challenge you to find anything that compares to the Ottomans genocide of Armenians, the slaughter of Christians when Constantinople fell in 1453, the continued invasions of the west by islam, The myth of Andalusia, continued aggression against the Greeks, Siege of Vienna, Siege of Malta & of more recent time the division of Cyprus. The continued persecution & killings of christians in Nigeria & continued slavery trade in north africa by muslims.

'It Was As if We Weren’t Human.' Inside the Modern Slave Trade Trapping African Migrants

Tens of thousands of men and women crossing the Saharn desert find themselves trapped in a cycle of extortion, imprisonment, forced labor and prostitution

time.com

Don't bring up the Crusades either because Jerusalem was the Jewish capital almost 2,000 years before islam even showed up & Christianity predates Islam by almost 600 years so fighting to free the Holy Land (where no muslim country has ever claimed Jerusalem as a capital) was a just effort with the slaughters equally distributed by all.

Look at what muslims have done to Lebanon, a country that existed for many years with different religions living peacefully side by side. Beirut was known as "Paris of the ME."

I'm always reminded of the saying "when muslims are minorities they always cry about minority rights," "when muslims are the majority there is no such thing as minority rights."

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2053168016646392

Today’s Armed Conflicts - The Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights

geneva-academy.ch

 

[windriverrange]

When it comes to Israel vs Palestinians the western media has showered us with endless examples of the Israeli side, almost all of them justified. How many of you have ever heard the Palestinian side, the actual undisturbed undiluted Palestinian side, presented complete before being shouted down mid-story? They have justification of their own. Here you go, the Palestinian historical side of the story.

The roots of Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza

Israel has always chosen occupation and supremacy over peace and security.

www.aaronmate.net

Which side is closer to the moral truth? You can’t know if you only hear one side. It’s possible both sides possess half the truth. Maybe, just maybe it would be best if they quit killing each other and sat down and listened to each other and sought a resolution that brings peace. Someone needs to go first. I suggest it should be the one with a $24 billion military budget and upwards of 600,000 trained soldiers rather than the one with 10-20,000 partially trained fighters and a $100 million dollar military budget, most of which has been spent on digging tunnels and bomb shelters to withstand relentless attack. Who among you will read this link with an open mind that there is a Palestinian perspective, too?

I am curious though, why you see the Israeli vs Hamas/Palestinian conflict extolling we should know each side of the conflict before pronouncing judgement, yet when it comes to Ukraine vs the bolsheviks you have no such conviction.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I am curious though, why you see the Israeli vs Hamas/Palestinian conflict extolling we should know each side of the conflict before pronouncing judgement, yet when it comes to Ukraine vs the bolsheviks you have no such conviction.

I'm sorry and disappointed you think that. As regards the Russian/Ukraine conflict I thought I had gone to great pains to discuss both sides - well, actually all three sides since the US/NATO are the ones who instigated it. My sympathies have always been with the Ukrainian people who have been used as pawns in the geopolitical struggle between the US and Russia, and the collusion of their own government to bring the war down upon them. Unfortunately for me my attempt to talk about both sides of the conflict managed to get me called a Russian sympathizer and a Putin puppet. In any conflict of this sort, Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Gaza, etc., my concern and criticizm is universally directed at the goverment entities involved. IMO too many people confuse the government with the people it is exploiting as if they are the same thing with the same desires. I don't believe that is true. I don't think the majority of Ukrainians, Russians, Israelis or Palestinians want to be cannon fodder in their governments' wars.