The last Jedi trailer!!!
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I liked the trailer.
Showed some cool stuff without giving away any plot.
The fighters/speeders kicking up dust in front of the walkers was cool.
We're going to get a real space battle. We didn't really in TFA, but R1 had a great one. Give me more.
Showed some cool stuff without giving away any plot.
The fighters/speeders kicking up dust in front of the walkers was cool.
We're going to get a real space battle. We didn't really in TFA, but R1 had a great one. Give me more.
So Luke had a Jedi school full of young padawans and Captian Phasma and her peeps most of the students and burn the place down?
One padawan survives and it is Rey. Years later she is re-united with her master.
Does that sound right?
One padawan survives and it is Rey. Years later she is re-united with her master.
Does that sound right?
Sounds about right to me.So Luke had a Jedi school full of young padawans and Captian Phasma and her peeps most of the students and burn the place down?
One padawan survives and it is Rey. Years later she is re-united with her master.
Does that sound right?
So Luke had a Jedi school full of young padawans and Captian Phasma and her peeps most of the students and burn the place down?
One padawan survives and it is Rey. Years later she is re-united with her master.
Does that sound right?
I think the Phasma scene is a different time.
I had myself convinced of that yesterday anyway, and now I can't remember why..
Right...
The floor in the Phasma/ST scene is shiny. Like the interior of a ship or base. Specifically like the floor inside a hanger, and the debris looks consistent with a hanger that has just been blasted like we saw happen to Poe's X-wing in the same teaser. I think this is episode VIII's equivalent to the fall of Echo Base in ESB.
The floor in the Phasma/ST scene is shiny. Like the interior of a ship or base. Specifically like the floor inside a hanger, and the debris looks consistent with a hanger that has just been blasted like we saw happen to Poe's X-wing in the same teaser. I think this is episode VIII's equivalent to the fall of Echo Base in ESB.
I'm pretty sure there is more to this trailer than meets the eye.
If you unpack all the details it seems to foreshadow a wholesale change in how we understand the Jedi and Sith.
If you unpack all the details it seems to foreshadow a wholesale change in how we understand the Jedi and Sith.
Look at the top left corner in the Phasma picture. That looks like the doorway in the bottom hanger picture I just added. I think these scenes are very close together. Hopefully not too close for Poe and BB-8 though.
There's a middle ground. You can use the dark side and the light.
I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough to speak to details, nuances, etc. I just am repeating some of the discussions I've seen online by people MUCH more wrapped up in all things Star Wars.
Like @gopokes2003 alludes to, it seems to hinge on the 'archaic' understanding of the type of life a Jedi must lead, and revamping it. We know Jedi = Light, Sith = darkness. Jedi are encouraged to live almost monk-type lives and suppress their feelings.
Luke is described as "bringing balance to the force." Most think that is by destroying Vader and the Emperor. But if he exists as 'Light' alone, and all other 'Darkness' Has been destroyed, then new Darkness must arise to balance the force.
I think the ultimate allusion is that Luke believes that Jedi "must end" as they are currently required to train and live. And that future force users must understand that they are required to balance the force within themselves....so that no totally evil individuals arise to wreak havoc.
Separately, there is online talk that maybe Luke's words were meant literally, that the Jedi and Sith must end, and that the Star Wars universe is full of many other force sensitive/using life forms.
Mace Windu could channel the dark side while fighting. That's the story to explain why his kyber crystal is purple.
Samuel L Jackson had a purple light saber in the prequels. To explain it in the Star Wars universe, they claimed he could channel the dark side and that's why it wasn't red, green or blue.
Right, but Luke is realizing the Jedi were stupid.
I meant specifically from the trailer because I thought that's what you meant.
Yeah, we have had a handful of examples of individuals outside of the Jedi and Sith that are aware of and attuned or sensative to the Force.
The Bindu in Star Wars Rebels, who claims he is in between.
Possibly the Knights of Ren.
Maz Kantata.
Chirut Imwe and other Guardians of the Wills.
Lor San Teka and the Church of the Force.
The Ordu Aspectu from the Doctor Aphra comic.
The stome giants and the humans that have lived around them in the recent Star Wars comic.
Possibly the trees from the Shattered Empire story (which is probably the last cannon story we see Luke in after ROTJ).
Even the Night Sisters from the Clone Wars cartoon.
All are connected to the Force in some way outside of the teachings of the Jedi or Sith. Some even manipulate the Force.
Perhaps.
I mean they were, but we don't know that Luke knows that yet. It's also possible he just won't return to the galaxy at large for other reasons (the man may be in deep grief).
This is a good discussion about "gray Jedi" and why the theory probably misses the mark.
Obviously I'm too casual a fan here I guess but I don't get the whole 'there must be balance' motto.
The republic had peace for a thousand years or generations or whatever when the Jedi were in their prime.....there may have been a couple Sith slinking around somewhere but overall it was a long, long period of 'good times'.
Then Palpatine does his thing and the Jedi are gone and things go bad for awhile.....again, no balance.
So who cares about balance? Kill the bad guys, get back to the good. The force is an energy field, by it's base nature it does not have good or evil....light or dark. It's only a tool for those that use it to their own ends.
So again I ask....why must the jedi end? It won't guarantee happy times as I see it.
The republic had peace for a thousand years or generations or whatever when the Jedi were in their prime.....there may have been a couple Sith slinking around somewhere but overall it was a long, long period of 'good times'.
Then Palpatine does his thing and the Jedi are gone and things go bad for awhile.....again, no balance.
So who cares about balance? Kill the bad guys, get back to the good. The force is an energy field, by it's base nature it does not have good or evil....light or dark. It's only a tool for those that use it to their own ends.
So again I ask....why must the jedi end? It won't guarantee happy times as I see it.
Mace is probably not the best example, but I'll leave that for my response to @The Duke in a minute.
There is some discussion about saber-color in the Ahsoka YA novel (that is cannon) I believe. I own it (she is my 7 yo daughter's favorite character), but I have not read it all yet. Ahsoka comes across a new set of light sabers in it though, a set used by a dark jedi or Sith assassin that has red blades (she used her own light sabers to fake her death with the help of clones like Captain Rex in order to escape order 66). She was able to cleanse the blades though, and their color changed from red to white. They did not become blue or green because Ahsoka is no longer a member of the Jedi order. A lot of people point to her to "prove" their theories on the "gray Jedi."
So apparently current cannon bases saber color on the acts of the owner of the light saber. A kyber crystal can become tainted or purified. I think there may be some symbolism there with Kylo Ren's fractured kyber crystal (that's why his saber looks like it's about to give out all the time).
There could probably be some serious stuff written about the hints they've been dropping the last few years on kyber crystals and their role within the Star Wars universe. Disney may have made them as important now as the wand lore Rowling introduced in the final Harry Potter novel.
The balance stuff is confusing to me too. I personally don't think that prophecy has been fulfilled yet despite the efforts of Anakin/Vader and Luke.
The Republic's peace is part of the lie of the balance though. The Republic's peace allowed the blockade of Naboo, and the Jedi, as Guardians of that peace, eventually lead the entire galaxy into a civil war that cost the lives of billions (or maybe more... who knows how massive a scale we're talking about?).
The Jedi pax comes at the destruction of all but two Sith. Their rigidity has demanded ultimate piety from them. No attachment. Taking the "children of the Force" from their families as infants. Training from the beginning of life. There is no room for family, no room for consent, no room for relationship, no room for vocation. And there is no room for organizations of Force sensitives other than them. The Jedi don't represent balance. They represent Order taken to it's ultimate extreme by the time we see them in Episode I. In many ways they are no better than the order Palpatine would impose upon the galaxy, at least not for people born with gifts like their own.
Now that we've lived without the Jedi (other than a few random individuals living mostly in exile anyway) for 50 years, and the Sith for 30 we may see the rise of other interpretations of the Force. Orders outside of the Jedi and Sith may form (may have been forming).
To me the balance the Force seeks isn't the absence of dark. That is not actually possible. There is no light without shadow. It is also, however, not acceptance of the dark, or allowance for it's use. There can be no compromise with the darker aspects of the Sith in a free society (or even in an uncorrupted nature). Balance is what Yoda has been trying to teach all along I think, or all along since his own showdown with Palpatine.
I don't personally think the Jedi have to end, or that that is what will eventually happen even, but they have to stop being the Jedi that Obi Wan knew. They have to abandon much of the religion/practice they have built up around themselves.
On Mace - Yes, his light saber is purple because he actively uses the dark side in his combat technique (I'm not really sure how any of them still have green or blue sabers by ROTS honestly). They don't ever say it in the movies, but every padawan Mace ever trained eventually fell to the dark side. It's a wonder anyone gives a damn what the man thinks, he is a failed Jedi Master. He is really good in a fight though. He is the ultimate adherent of the corrupted Jedi of the late Republic era. The Force is clouded and we can't read the wind? No problem. Let's take this army that materialized out of nowhere and plunge the galaxy into war. We can't have planets leaving the Republic after all! He has all of the skill the Jedi can bestow on one individual... and almost none of the restraint. If I can ever stomach watching them again I plan on focusing on the Mace-Yoda conversations in the prequels. I always thought of them as friends and allies in the past, but I suspect the two are locked in a different conflict between them. Perhaps one Mace doesn't even see (he isn't very good at seeing anything that isn't a light saber or blaster aimed directly at him).
Yoda did say in Rebels, that in hindsight, the Jedi had turned to the dark side during the war.
@TheRedSon
See, you have the nerd side covered. Weather it is a grey Jedi as you describe it or a modified way the Jedi live, I see no huge distinction.
They simply must become more balanced than what they have been. That distinction may be large to Someone Like You who is much more familiar with the ins and outs of all this, but all I'm saying is that the last trailer seems to imply that big changes are coming and communicates more than some notice at first glance.
See, you have the nerd side covered. Weather it is a grey Jedi as you describe it or a modified way the Jedi live, I see no huge distinction.
They simply must become more balanced than what they have been. That distinction may be large to Someone Like You who is much more familiar with the ins and outs of all this, but all I'm saying is that the last trailer seems to imply that big changes are coming and communicates more than some notice at first glance.
Yes to more balance.
No to wishy-washy morality and willingness to do dark deeds equalling that balance.
The Jedi of the late Republic had become the equivalent of "long ago and far, far away" Pharisees. Their religiosity is in the way of their values/beliefs.
