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The Economy Created 250,000 Jobs in October, Wages Rise More Than 3% for First Time Since Recession

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It wasn’t just political pundits who were monumentally wrong in their 2016 predictions.

Most economists (on both the right and left) and high-profile business leaders were too.


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Why are you so concerned with what he thinks? Worried there’s a shred of truth in it?

I think there's more than a shred of bullshit to it. Consumer confidence is not something that takes two terms and being out of office for two years to accomplish. And that's the special sauce here.

There are legit grown up disagreements to be had about tariffs and what the appropriate tax rate is, but giving Trump no credit "None" is just silly. Surely you can agree with that?
 
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I think there's more than a shred of bullshit to it. Consumer confidence is not something that takes two terms and being out of office for two years to accomplish. And that's the special sauce here.

There are legit grown up disagreements to be had about tariffs and what the appropriate tax rate is, but giving Trump no credit "None" is just silly. Surely you can agree with that?

So you agree that Trump has done plenty to hurt the economy, yet you call bullshit. Interesting lol
 
Uh, no. I think he's done nothing to hurt it and every possible measurable metric supports that. I'm saying grown ups can disagree on some things like tariffs and taxes.

And I’ve been pretty clear that tariffs don’t work and this tax plan’s luster, if there was any, is quickly fading.
 
And even if I were saying what you misconstrued, it wounding be interesting you freaking dork.


That would be a compelling argument if I valued your opinion on economics.

I couldn’t care less what you value lol...you know I’m right and you’re just not “grown-up” enough to admit it haha
 
And I’ve been pretty clear that tariffs don’t work and this tax plan’s luster, if there was any, is quickly fading.

Here we go again.

Please provide me your exact reasons why you think tariffs dont work. I want your thoughts and your years of knowledge and experience listed here. Go!

Edit; I am going to help you so take a look at this and begin your argument.

https://hts.usitc.gov/current
 
Here we go again.

Please provide me your exact reasons why you think tariffs dont work. I want your thoughts and your years of knowledge and experience listed here. Go!

Edit; I am going to help you so take a look at this and begin your argument.

https://hts.usitc.gov/current

When history and evidence are on your side, with your years of experience and knowledge, your argument will make sense lol. It’s not...never will be. And there’s plenty of historical and current examples and you know it haha
 
When history and evidence are on your side, with your years of experience and knowledge, your argument will make sense lol. It’s not...never will be. And there’s plenty of historical and current examples and you know it haha

So history is on your side, right? Please educate me.

Since tariffs have been used by the US since the 1800's,I would say you have a bunch of work to do when trying to explain why they "never will" work.

Toon, it is safe for me to say (probably 95% chance) that one of the reasons your dad was able to work in a machine shop and provide for your family has to do with tariffs protecting the company he worked for.
 
So history is on your side, right? Please educate me.

Since tariffs have been used by the US since the 1800's,I would say you have a bunch of work to do when trying to explain why they "never will" work.

Toon, it is safe for me to say (probably 95% chance) that one of the reasons your dad was able to work in a machine shop and provide for your family has to do with tariffs protecting the company he worked for.

Did the Bush Steel tariffs work? Are the solar panel tariffs currently working? Enlighten me lol...cuz tariffs don’t work. Period. You know it too, but keep pushing the narrative haha
 
Did the Bush Steel tariffs work? Are the solar panel tariffs currently working? Enlighten me lol...cuz tariffs don’t work. Period. You know it too, but keep pushing the narrative haha

You still have given zero proof. I say ~200 years of success is pretty sound.

Have you ever been to China or really read much about it? It is an incredible country and almost the entire city of Shanghai, for example, is maybe ~40 years old. The rest of the country has had so construction and improvements it has made China a powerhouse.

Question; have tariffs worked for them?
 

You still have given zero proof. I say ~200 years of success is pretty sound.

Have you ever been to China or really read much about it? It is an incredible country and almost the entire city of Shanghai, for example, is maybe ~40 years old. The rest of the country has had so construction and improvements it has made China a powerhouse.

Question; have tariffs worked for them?
 
Daniel Dale did not even quote is statement. Using your famous line; "where is the proof" Trump said that.

You just deflected and still have not given anything to back up your claim. Why don't you just give up on this one and move to something you might have some knowledge about?

You speaking of “knowledge” lol
 
Daniel Dale did not even quote is statement. Using your famous line; "where is the proof" Trump said that.

You just deflected and still have not given anything to back up your claim. Why don't you just give up on this one and move to something you might have some knowledge about?

When the market goes up from enacted tariffs...let me know lol
 
When the market goes up from enacted tariffs...let me know lol

No one has said the market will go up. Please provide the info about that. The goal is to make China be fair and I think their economy is 25 or 30% down. We have been paying for their success (yep, in their tariffs) for years and years. It is time it becomes a more level playing field.

I am no expert about tariffs, but I have 18 years of dealing with them and ~8 years on a daily basis. I dont know much about much, but I know more about tariffs and how they work than 98% of people.

You are a smart guy, but this one is out of your league. Not trying to put you down one bit and you know I have never treated you like that.
 
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