Teacher walkout question
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I think it depends on the district. I think in Bartlesville they say that if they shut down school then all extra curricular activities are also shut down. Sports, debate, academic bowl, band... everything.
Many schools are continuing with sports. At my wife’s school all games at all levels are on. (if other school is available). And Practice is approved if coach wants to schedule.
So anyone know anything about the bill they passed tonight 94-6?
5% production tax
$1 on cigs
.03 on unleaded gas
.06 on diesel
$5 hotel motel tax
5% production tax
$1 on cigs
.03 on unleaded gas
.06 on diesel
$5 hotel motel tax
Assume the fact coaches receive a stipend that is separate from teacher salaries.
http://www.koco.com/article/house-voting-on-plan-that-could-avoid-teacher-walkout/19601253
Small blurb, but not much info
At first, I had the reaction that the school should not have sports if the teachers turn their backs on their students and walkout. I figured playing sports would indicate the school valued athletics over academics.
But then I quickly realized that not playing sports would just be further punishing kids. I know my daughter would have hated missing her senior year of competitive sports when she played and I imagine it would have been tough to virtually impossible to reschedule games lost to the walkout. So I am glad that they are continuing with sports.
On a separate subject, but related to teacher walkout: With my wife an elementary educator and my affiliation with the school, I have a lot of teacher friends on Facebook. I never post anything remotely political on Facebook/Twitter, but I getting tired of the many teacher posts saying “they are walking out ... for the students”. Bull f&$@ing crap! If it was for the students you wouldn’t walkout!
Big bi-partisan bill that passed near unanimously. Avg teacher raise of $6100 is the largest teacher salary increase in history.
Unfortunately, the main teacher union OEA is already saying they will still strike. And Tulsa Public Schools Superintendent is saying $6k is not enough. And tweeted the $6k is not a raise.
Unfortunately, the main teacher union OEA is already saying they will still strike. And Tulsa Public Schools Superintendent is saying $6k is not enough. And tweeted the $6k is not a raise.
Go tour some of these public schools and focus on the teachers. The quality of our teaching staff imo needs some real improvement in Oklahoma.
Of course they will, lol. I heard it last night and thought, "They'll still find a way to &$^# this up and swing public opinion against them." I've talked to a dozen teachers that vote republican and then they're mortified when their pay went in the toilet. Now they'll bitch at a pretty big legislative action for Oklahoma.
They need to have some political common sense for a change.
I think I agree with both points here. I went back and did a double take. Holy hell.
If teachers walk on this, first Oklahoma tax increase since 1990, they will face serious shit and lose all bargaining power going forward.
Agree with sentiment to teachers union and those still striking, But I know several teachers that want to go to work on April 2nd. And if their school board allows the superintendent to call off school ... those good teachers that don’t want to turn their back on their students aren’t walking out ... they are being LOCKED-OUT.
I don’t have an opinion until @brtinla weighs in.
Even with a $6100/year raise they will still be underpaid. Its a start but they deserve more than that.
Yea, the Oklahoma education union that will drive the lockout even after this proposal is a big Republican voting block. Keep telling yourself that.
With that level of raise, when adjusted for cost of living, Oklahoma teachers would easily rank in the top 20 (and closer to top 10) in educator pay.
I have no issue with that, but I'd also like to hear from you and @Medic007 what you expect as far as educational results of the kids.
For starters, I'd like to see Oklahoma be able to fill vacancies with traditional certified teachers and be able to retain teachers. I'm not against alternative certifications, but I'm also not sure those folks are the best for core subject matter.
For performance, I'd like to see Oklahoma move to top 20 in something like the Education Week's Quality Counts report. That will take some time, but I'd expect to see Oklahoma climbing the list rather than the continued downward movement we've experienced.
I think cost of living adjustments are canceled out by the undesirability of a location that usually drives the low cost of living.
Really? So why are California's migrating in droves to Texas? Its clearly not because its more expensive to live in Texas.
Why do some many people drive Corollas instead of Mercedes? Its clearly not because Corollas are more expensive.
How does your example relate to your prior statement. You stated that cost-of-living is driven by UNDESIREABILITY. Cost-of-living measures take into accout the same level of lifestyle. But to use your example, I know a lot of people who'd rather drive a Mercedes in Oklahoma than drive a Corolla in California for the same annualized costs.
Just like the popularity of the Corolla over the Mercedes doesn't reflect the desirability or quality of the cars the popularity of migrating from Texas to California doesn't reflect the desirability or quality of life in each state. (Cost and Income play key roles in both examples)
Maybe our wires are crossed. I think maybe what you are reading when I talk about desirability is how good something is with all things considered (Quality, cost, etc), when what I am intending is when I talk about desirability is how good something is independent of monetary considerations (Trying to isolate quality here).
The point is that quality of life in a place has to roughly correlate to the cost of living in a place for it to have relatively stable population. If two places with equal quality of life had a difference in cost of living greater than the cost of moving amortized over several years then people would migrate to the cheaper place until the prices equalized.
Keep telling yourself that someone somewhere said the "Oklahoma education union" is a Republican voting block.
That isn’t gonna get us where we need to be. I actually stand with the teachers on this one. Finalize an entire plan, not 2/3 of one.
Reading their Facebook page is....interesting.
Note: it's Facebook, so don't be shocked if Facebook harvests your data.
https://m.facebook.com/Oklahomateachersunited/
Note: it's Facebook, so don't be shocked if Facebook harvests your data.
https://m.facebook.com/Oklahomateachersunited/
I absolutely do to ... and live with one. But I also stand with students. And I don’t stand with a teacher’s union (OEA) that has a long history of not supporting activities designed to improve education. I am, however, supportive of the other teacher’s union (POE - Professional Oklahoma Educators).
Let’s hope the senate approves this plan and the school boards do the right thing and have school on April 3rd (I am writing off April 2nd).
Yes they did pass a 6k increase for teachers. But that is the ONLY thing they did and that is not acceptable.
Certified personnel (teachers))are not the only thing being asked for help in the universally supported OEA demands. Support staff require a 5k raise as well. In addition, a plan to make the 6k a bump to 10 k in 3 years and a restoration in school funding to 2009 levels to reduce class sizes and ease out of pocket costs by teachers is not negotiable.
Certified personnel (teachers))are not the only thing being asked for help in the universally supported OEA demands. Support staff require a 5k raise as well. In addition, a plan to make the 6k a bump to 10 k in 3 years and a restoration in school funding to 2009 levels to reduce class sizes and ease out of pocket costs by teachers is not negotiable.
Our students deserve more. A raise doesn’t affect me as much as the next single teacher because I receive coaching stipends. I haven’t cared about the raise near as much as I have funding for education. It would be nice to not have to purchase my own curriculum and resources to make the class work. $50 million spread across every district in the state isn’t going to do much at all. OEA is weak though and are going to let social media ignorance and public perception win the battle.
Dumb question.
How much is spent/needed for class supplies per year and how much out of pocket do teachers spend in a year?
How much is spent/needed for class supplies per year and how much out of pocket do teachers spend in a year?
