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taxes - what do we get for them?

kjcba8101

kjcba8101

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After doing some rough calculations, it's become apparent that I'm paying 55k per year in taxes plus the ponzi scheme money I put in to social security.

My wife and I are middle class people with a young daughter and a couple rental properties.

I know plenty of guys who make more money and pay more taxes than I.

My question is this;

What do I get for my $55-60k per year in taxes that a guy who pays no taxes doesnt?

I feel like I should get government worker to escort me to work, pay my bills, cut my grass, etc.

Id just like to hear some thoughts on how some of you liberals and conservatives feel about what I, as well as yourselves/others pay and what we should get for it.

Just pisses me off to no extent.
 
Originally posted by intensivist:
Bro, you ain't middle class.
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Why wouldn't that be middle class? 55K in taxes and a couple of rental properties --- sounds middle class to me.
 
Y'all are absolutely precious with this BS.
"How can I fly my friends to the Super Bowl! The seats on my airplane are cracked! the other day I had to cover them up with a damn towel cause I was so embarrassed "
 
Originally posted by intensivist:
Y'all are absolutely precious with this BS.
"How can I fly my friends to the Super Bowl! The seats on my airplane are cracked! the other day I had to cover them up with a damn towel cause I was so embarrassed "
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You're actually kind of clueless.
 
Originally posted by kjcba8101:


What do I get for my $55-60k per year in taxes that a guy who pays no taxes doesnt?


Just pisses me off to no extent.
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You get the ability to earn enough money to owe $55-60K in taxes per year.


"Pissed off to no extent" is earning squat and still having to fork 25-30% off in income taxes.
 
Originally posted by intensivist:
There's a ton of cluelessness here, and it ain't coming from me.
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Well, you're apparently oblivious to the fact that the majority of the posters in the thread agree with you that the OP is not middle classApparently you think it is beyond the pale for a U.S. Citizen and taxpayer to question if the taxes they pay are being utilized effectively and directed to appropriate objectives. Just because this is "the greatest country in the world" to live in doesn't mean it isn't deteriorating or that it couldn't be better.

This post was edited on 11/27 9:32 PM by Marshal Jim Duncan
 
Let me be clear. I was not being sarcastic in my response. A young person, or for that matter any age but just beginning accumulating wealth, can definitely be middle class with what the OP listed. 55K in taxes can add up quickly when you think about income tax, sales tax, property tax, etc.

I think we would all agree that 55K in taxes probably means a successful year, but it does not say the person is necessarily "rich".

But as Nippon stated -- not sure best timing for such a statement on a day of thanks.


This post was edited on 11/28 9:17 AM by cableok
 
The timing was not the greatest but the point remains the same. It's tiresome to watch the takers "take" from the providers.

You make more money and consume less services. Work hard, pay more. Yes, I feel I deserve something more than the guy who draws government assistance and pays no taxes. Its one for one in my book. Dont take that the wrong way. I know I'll never get anything more from uncle sam, but it's nice to wish.

Im far from rich. There are tons of members who pay more and make more than I do. I can only imagine how it feels to pay a few hundred grand in taxes annually.
 
I pay a lot in taxes and think it is way too much. But, there is a lot of studies/reports that show the wealthy people receive more from the government than do the poor. Roads, highways and other transportation systems allow for efficient commerce by not only allowing for personal transport to work and business destinations, but for delivery of products we consume and for the pleasure we derive from vacations and other trips. The wealthy disproportionately benefit from this because of their higher levels of spending. Similarly, police, firemen, military, national guard, FBI, CIA, USPTO, the courts, etc. protect our lives and property. The wealthy own a higher proportion of property (real estate, personal property and intellectual property) than do the poor and therefore have much more to lose if these services did not exist. And, government services enable some efficiencies in the financial markets - again, benefiting the wealthy more than the poor.

In comparison, the poor get what? A welfare check? An unemployment check? It doesn't matter much to them if we have a police force or military protecting property if all they have is $200, some clothes and some food in the fridge.

Can precise numbers be put on these government services? Probably not. But, it is probably a lot less expensive for the middle class and wealthy to rely on collective services than each trying to hire and maintain their own individual security detail, etc.

Of course, if the poor would just go to work, get an education, get out of the cycle of poverty, then we would all be better off. The cycle is obviously hard to stop and we'll always have some portion that will need to be supported (disabled, elderly, etc.).
 
Paying $55k a year in taxes once you add it all up (federal income, state income, Medicare, Social Security, property, excise etc) is far from being "rich." You can pay over $20k a year in taxes fairly easy and make less than $100k.
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Poor people get them of course. You can see how high on the hog they are living.
 
The main theme I get from this thread is another post by kjcba to indirectly brag while bitching on the backside.
 
Wasn't intended that way tpoke. Like I said earlier, I bet more people on here than not make far more than I do.

Yes, it was a complaint, you're correct there. It's simply perspective. I was talking to a genlemen the other day who was facing the possibility of having to write the gvt another check for $150k from the proceeds of the sale of a business (in addition to what he already paid).

My point is this - I like to associate with those whose wealth is greater than mine. I feel there is a lot of wisdom and business advice from those who've made it to the top (on their own).
 
I like to associate with those whose wealth is greater than mine.

I get what you are saying - and as a business owner I understand the sentiment. But the way it's worded might come off as a little bit elitist. I think there's wisdom to be gained from members of all tax brackets.
 
Any one know what comprises the "government transfers" category in the graphic above?
 
Originally posted by Mario_C:
Any one know what comprises the "government transfers" category in the graphic above?
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Social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, welfare...
 
I love it when you get a tax bill for an apparent audit without ever being told you were being audited and then being told you have two weeks to pay the bill.


That's just strait humorous right there. Especially when you truthfully report everything and get stung. Doesn't make any sense.


The IRS is the best form of government protected mafia out there. Just unbelievable.
 
Originally posted by kjcba8101:
Wasn't intended that way tpoke. Like I said earlier, I bet more people on here than not make far more than I do.

Yes, it was a complaint, you're correct there. It's simply perspective. I was talking to a genlemen the other day who was facing the possibility of having to write the gvt another check for $150k from the proceeds of the sale of a business (in addition to what he already paid).

My point is this - I like to associate with those whose wealth is greater than mine. I feel there is a lot of wisdom and business advice from those who've made it to the top (on their own).
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I owe you an apology and I'm sorry. That was a jerk move on my part. I understand where you're coming from and appreciate anyone who has the motivation to make it on their own. Don't let the frustrations consume you.
 
Speaking for myself, though I get frustrated from time to time when I see how much I pay in taxes, I feel incredibly blessed to live in this country and to live as comfortably as we do.

I just get tired of hearing how we DON'T pay ENOUGH, and that we should pay more.

This post was edited on 11/29 9:14 AM by Marshal Jim Duncan
 
I think that everyone agrees that government could operate more efficiently and that the services it provides could be done in a more effective manner. It's always reasonable for every American to ask how government could do things better and if more people asked those questions we'd have better government.

The original question as to what you get for your taxes? You get to live in a country with an economic system that allows you to own multiple properties and make enough income that you are paying $55k in taxes. Poorer people get more "handouts" from the government but I would argue you benefit more. With the income you make and the assets you own having a government that provides a stable political and economic system benefits you more than it does them. Sure government could do it better, but that's not what I took as the point of your original post.

At the end of the day, anyone that wants to be poor can choose to do just that. Sell your assets, quit your job and give your money away. Then you could benefit like those that you mentioned. I would imagine at the end of the day you're happier where you are.
 
Originally posted by NeekReevers:
I think that everyone agrees that government could operate more efficiently and that the services it provides could be done in a more effective manner. It's always reasonable for every American to ask how government could do things better and if more people asked those questions we'd have better government.

The original question as to what you get for your taxes? You get to live in a country with an economic system that allows you to own multiple properties and make enough income that you are paying $55k in taxes. Poorer people get more "handouts" from the government but I would argue you benefit more. With the income you make and the assets you own having a government that provides a stable political and economic system benefits you more than it does them. Sure government could do it better, but that's not what I took as the point of your original post.

At the end of the day, anyone that wants to be poor can choose to do just that. Sell your assets, quit your job and give your money away. Then you could benefit like those that you mentioned. I would imagine at the end of the day you're happier where you are.
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The last paragraph here is a nonsensical straw man.
 
The OP is indicative of the problem if he is serious. Too much bitching and too little education. The average U.S. citizen pay many types of taxes. The problem is most conservatives act like the only taxes they pay are federal income taxes which for most Americans are actually not the majority of their tax burden. Each tax( sales tax, gasoline tax, property taxes, state income taxes, local income taxes, FICA tax, medicare tax, federal income taxes) are administered by a different entity and have a specific purposes. Some are regressive some progressive. That doesn't include all the individual fees, fines tolls etc. all level of government collect. A public finance course should be a basic requirement for a high school degree.
 
Originally posted by kjcba8101:
After doing some rough calculations, it's become apparent that I'm paying 55k per year in taxes plus the ponzi scheme money I put in to social security.

My wife and I are middle class people with a young daughter and a couple rental properties.

I know plenty of guys who make more money and pay more taxes than I.

My question is this;

What do I get for my $55-60k per year in taxes that a guy who pays no taxes doesnt?

I feel like I should get government worker to escort me to work, pay my bills, cut my grass, etc.

Id just like to hear some thoughts on how some of you liberals and conservatives feel about what I, as well as yourselves/others pay and what we should get for it.

Just pisses me off to no extent.
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The main thing you get is the peace of mind that the people that pay no taxes, because they aren't starving, are not overthrowing the government and killing you and your family. Kind of like the people that want drug testing for welfare. Just what I want, a huge increase in the number of homeless, starving crack heads.
 
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