Stereotypes and HRC

[davidallen]

You see it in nearly every thread about HRC on this board - she is charcterized as being angry, yelling, emotionally rattled, etc.... How much of this is due to cultural stereotypes and how much is really HRC? Studies point to it being the former not the latter...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/o...l?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

And please, if you are going to insult me or HRC in your response try and come up with something better than the usual drivel...

 

[MegaPoke]

If you can't use your own ears to see how shrill and angry she is, I doubt I could convince you otherwise.

Didn't read the Carlos Slim blog you posted, but assume it blames sexim, fear of strong women etc. All horse shit. My apologies for the usual drivel in response to the usual drivel.

 

[ctrawick]

I thought it has been pretty well documented that she is a terror.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Are these acts stereotypes or the real HRC:

-- throwing an ashtray at her husband

-- striking a secret service agent on the head with a Bible

-- telling uniformed while house staff to go fukk themselves when greeted politely.

Tough call, right?

 

[CBradSmith]

You see it in nearly every thread about HRC on this board - she is charcterized as being angry, yelling, emotionally rattled, etc.... How much of this is due to cultural stereotypes and how much is really HRC? Studies point to it being the former not the latter...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/o...l?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

And please, if you are going to insult me or HRC in your response try and come up with something better than the usual drivel...

Using studies to try to create a narrative that her behavior isn't responsible for people's well-established, 30 years in the making opinion of her....

Rich.

You may have a point if she was a relative unknown 2 years ago.

 

[davidallen]

Are these acts stereotypes or the real HRC:

-- throwing an ashtray at her husband

-- striking a secret service agent on the head with a Bible

-- telling uniformed while house staff to go fukk themselves when greeted politely.

Tough call, right?

Like you haven't had your spouse throw things at you????

At least is wasn't the Koran.

And you can go funk yourself....

 

[davidallen]

If you can't use your own ears to see how shrill and angry she is, I doubt I could convince you otherwise.

I hear about the same tone as the Don uses... not that much difference.

 

[MegaPoke]

I hear about the same tone as the Don uses... not that much difference.

What does that have to do with your OP?

 

[cableok]

I hear about the same tone as the Don uses... not that much difference.

Don't hear a lot of libs saying they like Trump's tone.

 

[imprimis]

They did say they were going to use sexism against Trump to help bolster the women's vote...right on cue.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Like you haven't had your spouse throw things at you????

At least is wasn't the Koran.

And you can go funk yourself....

No. Never. That's just not normal behavior.

 

[ctrawick]

Like you haven't had your spouse throw things at you????

At least is wasn't the Koran.

And you can go funk yourself....

How many glasses of wine have you had? LOL.

 

[Headhunter]

Just watch the video of her complaining about not being up by 50 points and then tell us with a straight face she doesn't come across as shrill.

 

[MegaPoke]

Be honest. Did your woman post this on your account?

 

[HighStickHarry]

i find it so arrogant that the only thing that could possibly be wrong with Hillary Clinton is that she is a woman.

That's not even top ten.

 

[MegaPoke]

i find it so arrogant that the only that could possibly be wrong with Hillary Clinton is that she is a woman.

That's not even top ten.

It's a zero factor for any meaningful percentage of detractors.

 

[davidallen]

i find it so arrogant that the only that could possibly be wrong with Hillary Clinton is that she is a woman.

That's not even top ten.

Can you point to a single credible source making this claim?

 

[davidallen]

Didn't read the Carlos Slim blog you posted, but assume it blames sexim, fear of strong women etc. All horse shit.

I get where you are coming from. Data isn't going to be useful/reaffirming of your current position so avoid it at all costs...

 

[davidallen]

Be honest. Did your woman post this on your account?

Points for originality!

 

[MegaPoke]

I get where you are coming from. Data isn't going to be useful/reaffirming of your current position so avoid it at all costs...

Data is a great debate word. Sounds so clinical and legit!

Best guess on how hard alternate "data" would be to find?

 

[CBradSmith]

Ignore the process post @davidallen

There's an appropriate way to try to understand causality that isn't the beneficial "disregard the 'snapshot in time' element" bias you seem to be pushing.

Didn't you claim to not have a horse in this race?

Or is this your demonstrated liberal hubris talking down to the proletariat?

You, and this article, are selling horseshit.

 

[HighStickHarry]

The sexism is less virulent now than it was in 2008, she said, but still she encounters people on rope lines who tell her, “‘I really admire you, I really like you, I just don’t know if I can vote for a woman to be president.’ I mean, they come to my events and then they say that to me.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/31/s...-vote-for-a-woman-says-hillary/#ixzz4LN8RlLp2

 

[HighStickHarry]

That is literally the first thing that came up when I googled it.

She thinks that's what the major sticking point is. She doesn't mention how she is the biggest liar protected by the worlds most powerful people running against a clown of epic proportions and in a dead heat.

It must be sexism.

 

[davidallen]

Data is a great debate word. Sounds so clinical and legit!

Best guess on how hard alternate "data" would be to find?

Would be very interested in this data you refer to...

 

[davidallen]

That is literally the first thing that came up when I googled it.

She thinks that's what the major sticking point is. She doesn't mention how she is the biggest liar protected by the worlds most powerful people running against a clown of epic proportions and in a dead heat.

It must be sexism.

Sorry I don't consider the candidate herself to be objective, nor her inner circle.

As to horse in the race, was hard Johnson lean- likely still vote that way as a protest but if forced to would go HRC to stop Trump.

 

[davidallen]

Ignore the process post @davidallen

There's an appropriate way to try to understand causality that isn't the beneficial "disregard the 'snapshot in time' element" bias you seem to be pushing.

Didn't you claim to not have a horse in this race?

Or is this your demonstrated liberal hubris talking down to the proletariat?

You, and this article, are selling horseshit.

Having trouble parsing all but the hubris part of this post... it's early so forgive me.

 

[HighStickHarry]

ok lol i will find some more so we can lol

 

[HighStickHarry]

https://heidisamiam.wordpress.com/2016/07/31/you-dont-like-hillary-clinton-because-shes-a-woman/

 

[davidallen]

Thanks for making my point.

 

[CBradSmith]

Thanks for making my point.

Your point, and the points being advanced in at least the 2 articles ("studies") I've read in this thread, are flawed when applied to your candidates "plight."

You continue to not address how her being the most known candidate in a lifetime negates a huge portion of the bias with which you seem to be intent to prop her up.

She didn't magically appear in the public eye 2 years ago.

 

[MegaPoke]

Would be very interested in this data you refer to...

I really don't think you would. But feel free to try www.google.com for the same data I would give you if I wanted to waste my time trying to convince you.

Spoiler: Do I?

I don't.

 

[squeak]

You see it in nearly every thread about HRC on this board - she is charcterized as being angry, yelling, emotionally rattled, etc.... How much of this is due to cultural stereotypes and how much is really HRC? Studies point to it being the former not the latter...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/o...l?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

And please, if you are going to insult me or HRC in your response try and come up with something better than the usual drivel...

Yes she is a women and yes people are sexist (look at all the feminists on Twitter), but this goes so far beyond her being female. She is so corrupt it's a miracle she isn't losing by 50 points.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/2...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Sorry I don't consider the candidate herself to be objective, nor her inner circle.

As to horse in the race, was hard Johnson lean- likely still vote that way as a protest but if forced to would go HRC to stop Trump.

You were voting for Hillary 6 months ago and you will vote for her in November.

 

[davidallen]

You were voting for Hillary 6 months ago and you will vote for her in November.

Only if it is close... absolutely a hold my nose and lick the envelope vote...

 

[Medic007]

Just curious...

Apparently it's not OK to not vote for Hillary because she's a woman. Is it OK to vote for her because she's a woman? In reality, isn't using sex as a basis for anything sexist?

 

[MegaPoke]

Just curious...

Apparently it's not OK to not vote for Hillary because she's a woman. Is it OK to vote for her because she's a woman? In reality, isn't using sex as a basis for anything sexist?

Yes. Just like voting for Obama because he was black was also racist. But, the wink and nod is that only white people can be guilty of racism and only men can be guilty of sexism, because some bullshit or another.

 

[CBradSmith]

Yes. Just like voting for Obama because he was black was also racist. But, the wink and nod is that only white people can be guilty of racism and only men can be guilty of sexism, because some bullshit or another.

Largely bc those people who prefer to not intrude into the lives of others allow libs to dictate "the rules."

 

[wyomingosualum]

It's the rest of the world's fault that the person who has zero personality and isn't likeable and screeches when making a point is perceived as having zero personality and isn't likeable and screeching when making a point.

Care to apply any of the NYT analysis to Sarah Palin?

 

[davidallen]

A lot of defensiveness ITT - the mere suggestion that some of your perception of HRC could be based on society wide stereotypes brings out all the venom. Interesting...

 

[davidallen]

Just curious...

Apparently it's not OK to not vote for Hillary because she's a woman. Is it OK to vote for her because she's a woman? In reality, isn't using sex as a basis for anything sexist?

It's OK for you to vote for whoever you choose for whatever reason you may have. Hair color, chest cavity, whatever... personally, I like to think through what is rational and what is emotional in my own decision making. Perhaps not so much for many here.