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MegaPoke

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Wanting to write some Oklahoma legends kind of story telling songs. Obviously, something about Pistol Pete, but what else? What are some cool Oklahoma stories that should be told?

Songwriting is relatively new for me and my process is to get the music bed first and then see what story I think its telling me and go from there.

Here's my process...

1. Pour some whiskey, and occasionally take one nice hit on the ol hippie lettuce.
2. Pick up acoustic guitar and see what happens.
3. Any riffs or hooks I come up with, I record on my phone.
4. Next day, I listen to them and delete the ones that suck.
5. The ones that are good, I listen real close to see if I'm ripping something off and didn't realize it.
I've already thought I've written what just turned out to be rough covers of Green Grass and high Tides by the Outlaws, Can't you See by Marshall Tucker Band and probably a dozen others that were too similar to use.
6. After that, if anything makes the cut, I demo a music bed with me playing guitar and bass parts and a programmed drum track on Garageband and play it for my band (not DTK) This band is called Firebird.
7. The tunes that have a good groove or hook, we keep. Those that don't turn everyone on go to the parts pile.
8. Then and only then, do I try to figure out what the song is about and put lyrics to it.

As I said in another thread, this band is kinda southern rock/blues/Americana/alt country and I really don't want to write about relationship stuff so much as tell cool stories. Being an Oklahoma band, I really would love to find some cool subject matter to write about. Legends, outlaws, Ghost stories etc. Any ideas?
 
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Quannah Parker and the Commanches transitioning from the freedom of the plains to being stuck on a farm near Lawton, and their longing to return to their old way of life. Sorry, just finished Empire of the Summer Moon.
 
Bill Doolin' life, jailbreak, and death near Stillwater is an interesting story.
 
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The Three Guardsmen.....Bill Tilghman, Charles Madsen, and Heck Thomas....legendary lawmen during Indian Territory days.

Hunted down much of the Doolin Gang.
 
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Your sound seems more like heart than Americana and blues.

Yes I threw out some flippant answers, but write what is personal to you. My favorite songwriters usually produce from that well.
 
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I used to be in a rock/punk band. Some of my favorite songs that I wrote were about family members. One of my favorite was written through the eyes of my great great grandfather who was with Sherman at Atlanta, then fought in Franklin and Nashville.

Maybe find an interesting person in your family tree and write about them.
 
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Your sound seems more like heart than Americana and blues.

Yes I threw out some flippant answers, but write what is personal to you. My favorite songwriters usually produce from that well.


With the two female vocals, we definitely have a heart style. But I’ve always said Heart was the best Zeppelin tribute band I’ve ever seen - so they are definitely a blues rock band.

Right now the songs we are coming up with are so stylistically varied I worry they don’t capture a signature sound.

That may be a good thing. I don’t know.

Right now it sounds like if you took Tom Petty, Heart, Susan Tedeschi, Brandi Carlile, Alice In Chains, skynard Gov’t Mule and Chris Stapleton and threw it an a blender. Some heavy mid tempo stuff with a southern rock twang, some country flavored ballads. Guitars influences from SRV and Billy Gibbons to Malcomb Young. At least one song has a trippy Doors or Plamet Caravan vibe. There’s a jam band quality to some of it.

Sounds like it would be all over the place but the songs feel like they go together. Just wonder if they’ll sound like they do to new listeners.


** edit to include more than a little Drive by Truckers in my sound and song ideas. More than a little Corrosion of Conformity too.
 
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Feels to me like a blending of that outlaw country sound with something like 'Smugglers Blues' by Glenn Frey, and something like Alabama Shakes, Shooter Jennings, and James McMurtry.

I have a friend in Norman that has a lot of that sound and has written a lot of her own stuff. She has a song 'Your chances are high because my standards are low.'
 
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E.W. Maryland marrying his niece Lydie.

The Killers of the Flower Moon (oil related murders of Osage tribal members)

Gene Leroy Hart Girl Scout Murders

Oral Roberts 900 foot Jesus

Something about Bob Wills and Cains Ballroom, maybe tie in the Sex Pistols playing there

Something about Leon Russell/Tulsa Sound/Teegarden

Mazeppa/Gailard Sartain/Busey
 
Don't know how you would make it a song but the maybe-urban legend about the town of Bathsheba is weird/fascinating.
 
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You should have a pot-induced writing session with Shunt.
 
You had me until shunt. I’ve always gotten along with him but his weird writing style would be counterproductive to the creative process
Go to Okemah and write some rock stuff with Felker. That would be epic.
 
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E.W. Maryland marrying his niece Lydie.

The Killers of the Flower Moon (oil related murders of Osage tribal members)

Gene Leroy Hart Girl Scout Murders

Oral Roberts 900 foot Jesus

Something about Bob Wills and Cains Ballroom, maybe tie in the Sex Pistols playing there

Something about Leon Russell/Tulsa Sound/Teegarden

Mazeppa/Gailard Sartain/Busey

Can't leave out the E.C. Mullendore Murder with the Gene Stipe tie in
 
Farting in Walmart...

Who had that story? I know they're still here I am just blanking on their handle right now. They would be a great resource for inspiration!
 
Wanting to write some Oklahoma legends kind of story telling songs. Obviously, something about Pistol Pete, but what else? What are some cool Oklahoma stories that should be told?

Songwriting is relatively new for me and my process is to get the music bed first and then see what story I think its telling me and go from there.

Here's my process...

1. Pour some whiskey, and occasionally take one nice hit on the ol hippie lettuce.
2. Pick up acoustic guitar and see what happens.
3. Any riffs or hooks I come up with, I record on my phone.
4. Next day, I listen to them and delete the ones that suck.
5. The ones that are good, I listen real close to see if I'm ripping something off and didn't realize it.
I've already thought I've written what just turned out to be rough covers of Green Grass and high Tides by the Outlaws, Can't you See by Marshall Tucker Band and probably a dozen others that were too similar to use.
6. After that, if anything makes the cut, I demo a music bed with me playing guitar and bass parts and a programmed drum track on Garageband and play it for my band (not DTK) This band is called Firebird.
7. The tunes that have a good groove or hook, we keep. Those that don't turn everyone on go to the parts pile.
8. Then and only then, do I try to figure out what the song is about and put lyrics to it.

As I said in another thread, this band is kinda southern rock/blues/Americana/alt country and I really don't want to write about relationship stuff so much as tell cool stories. Being an Oklahoma band, I really would love to find some cool subject matter to write about. Legends, outlaws, Ghost stories etc. Any ideas?

I have a nasty bass line/hook in mind that would make a Ballad of Crazy Snakes POP. Somebody has to write a song about that hardass. Hell just the name deserves a song.
 
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I should've tagged you on this! Do you still write?
Not really. Writing is a full time gig in this town and I already have a full time gig with a good salary. I did my time. Plus, it's got tougher for songwriters to make a living with the streaming paying next to nothing.
 
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1. Robbers Cave, and all the outlaw stories that the place would have heard

2. Dust Bowl meals, “water sandwiches”, “air casseroles”, radishes.
 
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Not really. Writing is a full time gig in this town and I already have a full time gig with a good salary. I did my time. Plus, it's got tougher for songwriters to make a living with the streaming paying next to nothing.

Cool. Glad things are going well. This is definitely not something I want to try to make a living doing, but after playing covers for nearly 30 years I’m excited about doing original stuff. Probably just a vanity project but I think we have a stack of pretty good hooks to work with
 
Not really. Writing is a full time gig in this town and I already have a full time gig with a good salary. I did my time. Plus, it's got tougher for songwriters to make a living with the streaming paying next to nothing.
DF, give us some insight into your writing career. Love to hear about it.
 
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